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  • Madhu - Pati became more important than Maa, when she has hardly time left to prepare Mom for her appearance in court. Madhu, maana you are a Drama Queen and will rescue your mother, lekin thodi insaaniyat dikha deti...you should have atleast gone to mom and yet again tried to make her talk. Doesn't it mean something...The Indian Police as it is do not treat victims for shock, as in no shock absorption words said...as a family and daughter, shouldn't you have tried and said..."Mom because of you I am alive...Please talk to me, talk to us" Sigh !!! D'ohMay be Radhaji's "Dipali ne sab kuch tayyaar kiya hai" sent her shivers and she decided to go and check on her and RK at the first pretext she has ROFL

ETA:
My curiosity still remains. 
How did Trishna know that RK was promoting her ?

@Pati becoming imp than Ma: IMO, Madhu was consistent with her behavior there. RK had emotionally distanced himself from her... Whenever a situation arises where she feels that RK is not with her, she is always going to prioritize RK more than anyone else in the world... 

She prioritizes RK and goes to him... once again puts back all his fears to the grave and displays her faith in him... Then she has RK by her side...  and now she knows that he would take care of everything as always...  This act once again satisfies the lines of her song.."Bekaraar mein karaar and tu hi maula, tu hi qazi...

@RK promoting Trish:
Situation: Madhu is baffled as to why RK is avoiding her and pushing her away
Problem: They need to make RK the karaar in her bekaraar and hence have to make everything rosy between the couple..For that Madhu should come to know the reason behind RK's stance...
Solution: Let Trishna's big fat mouth run... Uske liye plot-hole created... And Trash Trish spills out everything to her...

Trishna's big fat-mouth was already used once to clear their MU. 


Hey Zoya,

That was my sarcastic humour post of the day LOL. I was in no mind to review the episode, actually incapable of doing it. So I just laughed myself off with whatever I could. 

I loved reading everyone else' views today. Felt nice taking rest LOL today, but still added my comments. Honest, I was fair in all my comments and had no intention to belittle anyone. I just gave an observation as to what it is coming out as.

And coming to that repetitive Bekaraar me tu hi Karaar clunk...they can axe the supporting cast characteristics and for all that love and screen time of 10 minutes footage, the jodi cannot even create the magic of passion. How much of clunk is that ???? Angry

Instead, here I am reduced to visualize passion between the characters reading your posts like fiction...yes, all your lovely thoughts add more fuel to it than it actually can be interpreted. 

And hope you will not discard me as senseless person. I know what is passion. If Madhu can forget her mother, retrace her steps from the Police Station, then where is the passion expressed ? Everything cannot be sanely emotional, there should be zany passion also expressed. If that is taboo for TV, then the PH and creatives should refrain from burning out Hum Hai Deewane song for the leads nor they crucify supporting cast.


Anyways your explanations makes me posit a question.

If sense of loss of Madhu makes RK go limp and listless and he becomes self-destructive in pain (we saw this three times, post love confession, post test of love revelation and now today), what happens to Madhu when she experiences loss of RK ? As in give examples.

1) She feels as if her heart stopped, when he was shot
2) She felt resolute in winning him back post love confession
3) She was waiting for him entire night post test of love revelation
4) And yesterday, she was hysterical. And today she came back as if he only existed for her. But seriously did the writer/director needed to add Surprise element there ?!!!! Confused Of course The ED peeps have presented an argument that her drama actually led Rishabh to come out clean with her...but seriously ...was that the way they are going to resolve the tension between them ? I mean, I don't mind anger, but I want anger without surprise. That speaks of her passion. I was watching Junglee (1960's movie) on Sunday...even Saira Bano in that old movie had more passionate anger to tackle her beau. No one needs manipulative surprise when you are confronting your loved one. There is no patience left except to express passion...so question is why does her mind work instead of her heart and passions ? Confused

And seriously enuf of showing how RK gets weaker with sense of loss for her, show me the sense of loss of what Madhu can do to herself if RK were to die. I still feel clueless. Just a hysterical reaction does not give me any answer and after today that cold okay upgrading to breezy hug plain confused me...I was like...for this you retraced from the Police station leaving your mother, who should be a priority to you now...obviously RK was mortally out of danger...and if you did come get him back emotionally, why didn't you say...okay I am heading back to PS.

  Interesting Shri...
 
I agree with you ...Madhubala's reactions seemed too watered down to me for some reason. I expected
1) Her to defend RK passionately in front of Trishna. She should have said something like "Mujhe sochne ki jaroorat nahi ha mujhe pata hai RK ne aisa kyon kiya hoga" or "Didu...tumhari galti ki wajah se RK ki jaan jaa sakti thi...uska zimmedaar kaun hota"
2)When she sees RK drinking, she should have thrown a tantrum instead she calmly wanted to talk.
3) This was the oddest piece, she seemed to display no guilt at all that she was somehow the reason for getting RK hurt or that RK could have died while trying to save her. She thanks himConfused...instead she should have been feeling guilty for putting his life at risk or crying over what she would have done if something happenned to him.
 
While RK seems to have self-doubt sometimes, Madhu rarely seems to have the same. With all the drama that she has created in RK's life, never does once she feel that RK might have been better off without her.

 

Exactly Pooja. You understood me.

You know these days whenever I talk to Zoya offline,  I call Madhu as Karta Dharta of MB Verse , that she is Goddess and hence she is always so confident and staid with rarely any flaws that can fell her. She drives the story with her resilience. That sure makes her a great heroine, nevertheless, it is no longer making much sense. Her selective choice of whom she can heal, she can reprimand, talk is making me go nuts. How does it make sense at all when her sister accuses her husband of ill-will or for that matter cursed him in the past, that she just walks away from there as if Trishna did not say anything at all. Isn't it human and ethical not to hear such false words against your husband ??? Come on even Sati (Lord Shiva's first wife) could not hear any falsity/slighting of her husband from her father and she took her own life in some dramatic manner...I mean, people react, people uphold honour and here MB walks away without defending her husband at all. I was close to pulling my hair today.

When we were discussing last, we agreed that RK has take home for entire Balraj episode that he now gets answers to his Kismet Konnection for Madhu.  He was able to end the Balraj pestilence from her life by being instrumental in bringing him back to their life. And he nearly loses MB in that. So it makes all the more sense to RK after his hospital proposal, as to why RK and MB chemistry clicks so much. He gets to save her and she gets to heal him and save him for his self-destruction. Equal and balanced.

But when we tried to get the take home for Madhu from this episode, from the perspective of her love for RK; and not being a social message and saviour of her mother; we hardly see anything that MB may verbalize. I remember how we both felt disappointed and then agreed to be patient until the whole Padmini track plays itself out ...may be after that MB will say something of how important is in her life too...and what he means to her...just I love you like I hate you doesn't suffice now at this time of near to losing lives happened with Balraj. There was an almost Death drama there with Balraj having him met before RK set out to avenge himself against Madhu and now ending up with Padmini shooting him down. So how does MB rationalize all this craziness in her life. She cannot pretend that its very normal and it occurs everyday or can occur to anyone anyday. Would she have been able to deal this Balraj drama if Mukund Dikshit was in her life...as in why doesn't Madhu ever tell herself...there was a meaning to all this drama between  me and Rishabh Kundra. Waiting for it to unravel...


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Her selective choice of whom she can heal, she can reprimand, talk is making me go nuts. How does it make sense at all when her sister accuses her husband of ill-will or for that matter cursed him in the past, that she just walks away from there as if Trishna did not say anything at all. Isn't it human and ethical not to hear such false words against your husband ??? Come on even Sati (Lord Shiva's first wife) could not hear any falsity/slighting of her husband from her father and she took her own life in some dramatic manner...I mean, people react, people uphold honour and here MB walks away without defending her husband at all. I was close to pulling my hair today.


@shri,

Exactly I was thinking this when driving back home .
I expected a strong reaction from Madhu but it was opposite of what I thought.

Coming to the episode,

Liked : Malik's reaction when Trishna is crying. 

RK and Madhu's convo.  But I thought it could have been better. something is missing.

Madhu holding RK's hand and Rahaji holding Madhu's hand when they are coming to court. I like those kind of subtle nuances when they show it. 

Didn't like  :

MB's reaction to Trishna's words.
Expected a strong reaction from Madhu.

@everyone nice analysis. Smile


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I agree that we are all somewhat upset with Madhu for not dealing with both Trishna and RK more decisively.

Ok here is what I think. Please feel free to correct me of my notions. Smile

Though Madhu is nicknamed glycerin and cries most of the time, I feel her mind rules her heart. It is very deceptive to think how come a person who cries in every situation ever think with his/her head. If so, why would s/he ever cry?

Madhu is very focused on RK's plan of leaving everything and going away. In that grand plan, things like Trishna's betrayal is quite insignificant to her. She is mentally prepared to leave them all (at least for a period of time) and all her actions are towards that goal. She refuses to play the role of the disgruntled upset spouse, make RK feel guilty for his role in the tragedy and make sure all her actions lead to the ultimate goal of them going away together. She was single mindedly focused when she had to marry RK for money to save Malik. She took it in her stride all of RK's atrocities that he bestowed on her. Same thing is happening now. I feel she thinks that getting her mother out of jail, acquitting her is the most important thing than wasting time and energy on playing blame game with Trishna and RK. To her that is the only remaining hurdle in their path. I do not think she believes that after all that happened , fulfilling Trishna's dreams of heroine are important any longer. By walking away from Trishna, I think she displays what she thinks of Trishna now.

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I agree that we are all somewhat upset with Madhu for not dealing with both Trishna and RK more decisively.

Ok here is what I think. Please feel free to correct me of my notions. Smile

Though Madhu is nicknamed glycerin and cries most of the time, I feel her mind rules her heart. It is very deceptive to think how come a person who cries in every situation ever think with his/her head. If so, why would s/he ever cry?

Madhu is very focused on RK's plan of leaving everything and going away. In that grand plan, things like Trishna's betrayal is quite insignificant to her. She is mentally prepared to leave them all (at least for a period of time) and all her actions are towards that goal. She refuses to play the role of the disgruntled upset spouse, make RK feel guilty for his role in the tragedy and make sure all her actions lead to the ultimate goal of them going away together. She was single mindedly focused when she had to marry RK for money to save Malik. She took it in her stride all of RK's atrocities that he bestowed on her. Same thing is happening now. I feel she thinks that getting her mother out of jail, acquitting her is the most important thing than wasting time and energy on playing blame game with Trishna and RK. To her that is the only remaining hurdle in their path. I do not think she believes that after all that happened , fulfilling Trishna's dreams of heroine are important any longer. By walking away from Trishna, I think she displays what she thinks of Trishna now.


I think Madhu is someone who is always focused on the good of people and life rather than complaining about evil unless it manages to cross some great bounderies. She saw through RK when he was nasty to her and still today could only see the good in RK. That he was so humaine that he was feeling guilty about a situation he never intentionally put upon Madhu and her family. That thought touched her more than his lack of research and cautiousness in trying to help Trishna. I think she deep down knows this is how Trishna is she can go to great lengths to accomplish her dream (which necessarily isn't a bad thing) unless someone forgets about the safety of their family and their duty as a family member in their ambition. Ambition is viewed as a good thing unless someone becomes blind in their ambition.

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I understand that RK is in mental shock. But I just think the show makers need to remain realistic in terms of health and all. I mean it took a well built man like Malik well over a month to recover and not only is it hard to believe that RK in recover in a matter of hours. But we can just ignore the fact that RK was just on  oxygen because he had lost so much blood. After a state like that we should see him drinking water and juice to recover is blood. Alcohol is not a very good idea when you have just lost so much blood.


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seems cvs in rush mode. to rush to rishbala to jungle ,cvs rushing the things after balu dead track.
wats so hurry they can show the things settling down n drama aaram se n in subtle way. cvs always take too dramatic or super action way  always n these days FF mode .

        straight to high court Shocked wat day it is, other day trail n tat too high court, super star rk is super se upar highly influential it seems super jet fast track of court. rk must be pm so tat law n system works in super jet speed n ppl lives will be saved. lawyer fees n all other miscellaneous fees seems frm shamini share it seems of rk's property. how much rk saves n does cost cutting by taking off guards n driver n servants n all even ballu's death is charging OuchLOL.

    so as expected rk is in character only it seems after getting beaten up so badly n after ballu fiasco n feeling guilty n fearing of losing madhu. seems madhu is in tired mode of bhaag madhu bhaag for the things happening since at mandap,ballu ka trauma, rk n mom rescuing her n both loved ones in trouble n suffering n reacting n running as odds one by one going,no time to break down also it seems. no one to take care of poor madhu.rk-mom both saved her life. more goes to rk, so balancing both mom-hubby tat suporting her mom tat she is right n to rk standing on her thing tat her first priority is rk than anyone else even before maa. as no one to take care of her ,she is trying to take care of the situation as both loved ones are in trouble,she understood rk tat he is there to take care all n he will def take care of her mom, he just needs tat assurance.rkbala were in character n the development in their character n in their relationship where it is ,is actually visible truely today , tat rk in to his guilt mode n his way of dealing with pain , superstar rk straight frm hospital to drinking Shocked rk is super hero LOL n fear of losing madhu n madhu prioritising rk above all but  madhu trust rk n talked n clarified which is rare in soaps , rk letting madhu help him.this reflecting their relationship level now. this clarifying MU reflects rk-madhu wat they r to each other n where r up to in their relationship.
         trish must be lawyer, she has points whether it's wrong or right n tries to prove she is right LOL trish played cupid of knowing in practical when situation arises where rishbala stands to each other n at wat level their relationship with trih hiding all this balu n ballu fiasco.so trish in defence of her made madhu do the needy which is imp n ugent n madhu with limited energy got wats wrong with rk as he is avoiding her n clear his insecurities. so trish bought out in plain clear in doing things for rkbala n they relationship strength increased. trish is gone case , seems in edge of becoming psycho for her ishq n junoon for her dreams, so it's waste of talking or arguing with her as malik n madhu did right thing as they did wat is necessary at tat time in the position they are.today practically for family n all it's cleared tat for trish prioritizes her dreams than above all wat ever hapens with family.she needs treatment as family in chaos she is busy in rubbing her  innocence on family mems esp pads n madhu. seems pads is in shock of trish hiding n reason for ballu-madhu fiasco which forced her to do murder. seems trish has her network of enquring tat rk is behind launching her as she is experienced one in industry. so cvs might left to viwers r may show it ,lets see. trish yelling n pads not reacting seems trish yelling damaged her ears OuchLOL ,roma take trish to hospital. nice bittu came to check rishbala status or rk status of mind blasting points by trish at police station n releaved knowing everything fine n said he just came to remind tom has to go to court. rk-bittu junoon wala love needs official song too LOL
media can't stop as even supertar rk couldn't stop it seems after  too many breaking news of superstar rk inlaws mrg , sasuma killing. rk with his bala want to live n preparing n geting use of aam admi but destiny has other plans n first stroke is ballu n bought superstar rk in lights so lets see is this temporary or permanent for rkbala n for viewers wats in store to make them realise tat they are destined to live in present world.

       so pyscho ballu is the main reason for rkbala mrg n pyscho ballu sacrificed his life n done good to pads n madhu tat they got shamu n rk. trish too sacrificed her dream n went to pyscho level to make rkbala relationship more stronger. this trish-ballu psycho duo done good for hallucinating other are doing bad to them n tried to do bad n bought strength n good out of good ppl Embarrassed so the mystery of roma release frm goons n trish jasoosing of rk will cvs reveal or mystery will be mystery.  where are bhatias gang n there suffering of media asking how they are feeling now after seeing death so close. seems dips n bhatia gang taking rest to prep for their rant later. even roma taking rest. all suporting characters taking rest. tats y not shown after the fiasco it seems. beside rkbala , shooter pads,shamu,lawyer trish n radha n viewers not taking rest LOL since ballu fiasco. as bittu came after the action sequence along with police.
       when radha told madhu tat dips made arrangments at home madhu don't want to leave rk, but rk forced to go n later trish made madhu tat rk is in vulnrable state n immediately ran to save pati rk it seems frm dips , so no option left for madhu to forgive rk by saying no need to apologise also n sambala rk n their relationship at the moment in tat situation also as malik assured her tat  there he is for her mom always, so madhu sambala today rk,tom her mom as both are her saharas for her.



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Hilarious post as usual... ROFL ROFL
I agree with you.CVs cracked me again today by showing case directly in high court very next dat...super FF mode... ROFL

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Originally posted by MarathiMulgi

I agree that we are all somewhat upset with Madhu for not dealing with both Trishna and RK more decisively.

Ok here is what I think. Please feel free to correct me of my notions. Smile

Though Madhu is nicknamed glycerin and cries most of the time, I feel her mind rules her heart. It is very deceptive to think how come a person who cries in every situation ever think with his/her head. If so, why would s/he ever cry?

Madhu is very focused on RK's plan of leaving everything and going away. In that grand plan, things like Trishna's betrayal is quite insignificant to her. She is mentally prepared to leave them all (at least for a period of time) and all her actions are towards that goal. She refuses to play the role of the disgruntled upset spouse, make RK feel guilty for his role in the tragedy and make sure all her actions lead to the ultimate goal of them going away together. She was single mindedly focused when she had to marry RK for money to save Malik. She took it in her stride all of RK's atrocities that he bestowed on her. Same thing is happening now. I feel she thinks that getting her mother out of jail, acquitting her is the most important thing than wasting time and energy on playing blame game with Trishna and RK. To her that is the only remaining hurdle in their path. I do not think she believes that after all that happened , fulfilling Trishna's dreams of heroine are important any longer. By walking away from Trishna, I think she displays what she thinks of Trishna now.


@MM  agree with everything you said. It is just that her focus is on going away
and only that is important to her. Her character does not necessarily say/do things
that viewers/others expect... have to notice the subtle things that she does/says to 
understand her character more. 

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