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Posted: 10 May 2013 at 5:56am | IP Logged
Good topic. 

Okay  here  are  my  views.

Who  is Responsible?
Answering  a  question  like  this  may  seem easy but it  is  indeed very difficult. Responsibility  of  this  criminal  activity  is  not  just  of  the  Animal  who  has  done  it.
We  all  share  it  too. Don't  we?
A  man,  frustrated,sexually and  well  mentally,too  rapes  a girl.He  victimizes  her  and  leaves her  to be  dirtied more.The  age  of  the  victim  varies, it  could  be  a  mature  forty  year  old  or a  lively  twenty  year old or  as  a  matter  of  fact  a  small  five  year  old. 
He  dirties  her  body  by  inflicting  himself  upon her. She  couldn't  protect  herself. Not  because she  didn't  want  to,  but  because  she  wasn't  ABLE  to. She,  can't live  anymore. Bear  the  humility,te  pain  anymore.
We  ALL  take candles  for  her  soul, to  rest in  peace; we  ALL  mutter  sentences  like "Police  didn't  help  her","Poor girl",  etc. But  at  the  same time,  when  the  girl  was  suffering  while  that  Animal, touched  her  everywhere,the  same, people  i.e  we  looked up  on.
We  saw, We  offered  condolence,  But  at  the  end  of  the  day,  did  We  actually DO  anything  substantial?
Nope. You  know  why  because?
Not  because humanity  doesn't  exist. But  because  we're  all  too  selfish. We're  busy  fishing out  of our  own  problems that we don't  really  have  the  time  to pay  attention  to  such  things. We  are  scared and  don't  have  the  guts to  stop  all this. To ,  for  once  make  a  move.

When  a girl  wears  clothes  that  make  her  look  good, Men  get  attracted  to  her. And  we  blame  them  for  their  incoherent  attraction  and  any  misbehavior. True. They're  responsible. But  hey ,  guess  what! Their mothers  who  are  ladies  themselves  often  say things  like "She  wears  such  clothes  that  attracts  men".
I  mean  cuh-mon, what's  that  all  about?
Don't  girls  have  the  right  to  enhance  their  beauty?
Should  we  always  in  live  in  fear,  that  if  we're  good  looking  we will always  have  to hide  ourselves?

Basically all  I'm  saying  is, the  overly  hyped,  good  for  nothing  Society,   that  we live  in  needs a change.And  its the society  that  is responsible.

-Adya.

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Posted: 10 May 2013 at 7:38am | IP Logged
IN my opinion, it's nt the 1 thing responsible for it...bt all things togeather      1st of all the mentality of that bloody persons who does all this things, then the act..only 10 years jail to all these persons, they all should b handed over to the public and let they decide what to do with them...and finally the culture, the victam who goes through all these things had too face these so called culture, which w'll nt give her any option other than to die...to stop these things, all should b changed, our mentality, culture and the act...
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Posted: 10 May 2013 at 10:32pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by meghasingh

Originally posted by -zozo-

Originally posted by meghasingh

@janakiraghunath...decent clothing...what does it means...one u wear at school and college?? we do wear skirts, shorts, and dresses there...and that's what we are bashed for... so should we start dressing up in burqa...??
u say it like its a bad thing :/... if u want to there is nothing wrong in wearing an abia... as per my bias opinion its a praise worthy thing to do... but to each its own no one said you HAVE too.. and one more thing i think what she was trying to say was that wear what ever floats your boat but in a CIVIL manner 


zozo...i m not against burqa or hizab...or anything like this. my point is why should someone tell us that u should wear this in this manner otherwise if u'll be raped it'll be ur responsibility. My point is simply this whether a woman wear burqa or bikni, leave her alone, its her body, her choice. Who are you to judge what's wrong and what's right? or what's civil or what's not?
ok so does that mean you'd  actually wear a bikini in public? ... No I don't think so... did I say that if u don't wear an Abia it's a bad thing? I reckon I didn't ... CIVIL... Is that a bad thing? Why would you rather run around looking like a s**t for the lack of a better term? Wear whatever you like that does not mean you go around flaunting yourself in a mini skirt which if u bend down in, it emphasizes EVERYTHING personally my father would never let me wear such clothing,.. And nor do I want too... 
Your right wear whatever u want... But remember and keep this in mind this output you represent yourself with is the little thing which gives people a reason more importantly the media to say such things like "she asked for it" even if she didn't... This may sound harsh but it's true and this is coming from a girl... Oh and BTW I'm not saying that its all the girls fault...guys with their lack of intelligence make the situation problematic as well... 

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Posted: 10 May 2013 at 11:10pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by -zozo-

Originally posted by meghasingh

Originally posted by -zozo-

Originally posted by meghasingh

@janakiraghunath...decent clothing...what does it means...one u wear at school and college?? we do wear skirts, shorts, and dresses there...and that's what we are bashed for... so should we start dressing up in burqa...??
u say it like its a bad thing :/... if u want to there is nothing wrong in wearing an abia... as per my bias opinion its a praise worthy thing to do... but to each its own no one said you HAVE too.. and one more thing i think what she was trying to say was that wear what ever floats your boat but in a CIVIL manner 


zozo...i m not against burqa or hizab...or anything like this. my point is why should someone tell us that u should wear this in this manner otherwise if u'll be raped it'll be ur responsibility. My point is simply this whether a woman wear burqa or bikni, leave her alone, its her body, her choice. Who are you to judge what's wrong and what's right? or what's civil or what's not?
ok so does that mean you'd  actually wear a bikini in public? ... No I don't think so... did I say that if u don't wear an Abia it's a bad thing? I reckon I didn't ... CIVIL... Is that a bad thing? Why would you rather run around looking like a s**t for the lack of a better term? Wear whatever you like that does not mean you go around flaunting yourself in a mini skirt which if u bend down in, it emphasizes EVERYTHING personally my father would never let me wear such clothing,.. And nor do I want too... 
Your right wear whatever u want... But remember and keep this in mind this output you represent yourself with is the little thing which gives people a reason more importantly the media to say such things like "she asked for it" even if she didn't... This may sound harsh but it's true and this is coming from a girl... Oh and BTW I'm not saying that its all the girls fault...guys with their lack of intelligence make the situation problematic as well... 

With all due respect, I do not agree.

The point is not if one would wear a bikini in a public or not, the point is that she should be allowed to wear WHATEVER she wants. The codes of civility are up to the girl, her family, her parents. If they don't have a problem with it, so shouldn't anyone else. Why, men wear shorts and half sleeve Tees all the time, why isn't it "flaunting" then? heck! In small towns, many sit outside their houses wearing only the inner wear. I know to Media will say such things, but that is what should change. Plus I don't think , change in clothes means rape aren't committed. Many a rape victim was wearing a salwaar kameez, showing minimal parts of her body, why where men "provoked" then?

And just to explain my POV, I wrote something long back in the writers corner explaining this very opinion, if you have a bit of time, do read it out :) 


-Risha

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Posted: 11 May 2013 at 6:51am | IP Logged
Talking about rape, and few enlightened souls telling the skin show, short dresses, westernization are to be blamed for this. But there is one point too, if we look at all the rapes, rapes which are not even rapes in our constitution, marital rapes, rapes with prostitutes...what about them. the thing is that it's just the sick mentality to dominate on a woman's body. 

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Posted: 11 May 2013 at 6:58am | IP Logged
Originally posted by -zozo-

Originally posted by meghasingh

Originally posted by -zozo-

Originally posted by meghasingh

@janakiraghunath...decent clothing...what does it means...one u wear at school and college?? we do wear skirts, shorts, and dresses there...and that's what we are bashed for... so should we start dressing up in burqa...??
u say it like its a bad thing :/... if u want to there is nothing wrong in wearing an abia... as per my bias opinion its a praise worthy thing to do... but to each its own no one said you HAVE too.. and one more thing i think what she was trying to say was that wear what ever floats your boat but in a CIVIL manner 


zozo...i m not against burqa or hizab...or anything like this. my point is why should someone tell us that u should wear this in this manner otherwise if u'll be raped it'll be ur responsibility. My point is simply this whether a woman wear burqa or bikni, leave her alone, its her body, her choice. Who are you to judge what's wrong and what's right? or what's civil or what's not?
ok so does that mean you'd  actually wear a bikini in public? ... No I don't think so... did I say that if u don't wear an Abia it's a bad thing? I reckon I didn't ... CIVIL... Is that a bad thing? Why would you rather run around looking like a s**t for the lack of a better term? Wear whatever you like that does not mean you go around flaunting yourself in a mini skirt which if u bend down in, it emphasizes EVERYTHING personally my father would never let me wear such clothing,.. And nor do I want too... 
Your right wear whatever u want... But remember and keep this in mind this output you represent yourself with is the little thing which gives people a reason more importantly the media to say such things like "she asked for it" even if she didn't... This may sound harsh but it's true and this is coming from a girl... Oh and BTW I'm not saying that its all the girls fault...guys with their lack of intelligence make the situation problematic as well... 

Babe, why does it matter to u whether i wear a bikni or a burqa in public? what is a s**t?first define that then i'll answer to your question. and ur father may not allow, ur problem, why you have to judge everyone on the basis of your standards?
and basically what you said next, I am against the same thing, and won't submit to these stupid ideas.I had never took this bullshit, and wont take it.
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Posted: 19 May 2013 at 12:26pm | IP Logged
Everyday sexism is so ingrained in us that we accept it as a foundation of our society and this problem is universal.
I am visiting England for the summer and I found this project and corresponding website http://www.everydaysexism.com/ I learned that I am not alone in these subtle comments, jeers and assaults. Everyone feels them at some point. I have read stories from almost all the Western countries. They all cry inequality and lack of understanding by others. If you say what happened, friends and family laugh it off as normal. This is only the beginning of acceptance toward prejudice.
Then, there is the stigma attached to mental illness. People sweep it under the rug. If we know someone has criminal or dangerous tendencies or stresses and triggers that may push them over the edge, we tend to overlook the signs. Anti-social, borderline personality disorders are not consider as real as cancer or heart disease. Mentally ill people linger around without treatment far too long and then they explode. People are victimized, raped, killed because of our inability to provide resources and help for these preventable assaults.
Shifting focus to the victim not the rapist. Damini was out with a man at night. How dare she be a successful woman? How dare she choose personal freedom over societal restrictions? She must have dressed provocatively. This is unacceptable and still widely accepted.
(Barely there) Punishment is in focus but preventative measures are not even a topic of debate. People talk about hanging and castration for the rapists but we forget ,more often than not, it is someone you know who commits the heinous crime. Family and friends are the predators and reported cases will dwindle down when the victim will be discouraged and ostracized for ruining the life of their predator with a harsh sentence rather than the other way around. Preventative measures can and should include sexual education programs. Providing healthy outlets to relief aggression. Teaching men to become allies to their female peers. Teaching women to become conscious of what counts as assault and what to do about it. 
As far the movie sex scenes go, I think it is acceptable to include those scenes (art imitates life). However, the creatives need to be mindful not to endorse non-consensual violence under the pretense of love.
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