Originally posted by sunset60
Seriously i dont knw how to make u believe that tht statistics of rape in western countries may even be worsr than tht in india.. I m not debating on where it happens more.. I question abt how it can happen there??. Western countries do supposedly give women more freedom.. She can wear what she wants and still no one is bothered.. But is tht really so?? I just searched online and found alot of proof tht i think is credible(i m not talking abt wikipedia) which clearly proves tht rape in uk canada(just stating these two becoz i didnt search for solid proofs fot other countries) is high.. Over there too the ratio of husbands/boyfriends/relatives raping is high... Why? They hve sex education.. They open the doors for women, pull out chairs for females to sit, allow(or incourage) women to wear short clothes and dont stare hungrily at these women, hve given women an equal status, they deal with women justly,they hve a high literacy rate but then WHY DO WOMEN STILL GET RAPED OVER THERE?
I dont understand why people reading my post are constantly trying to unform me that girls wearing sarees and kamez shalwars are raped.. I think i made tht clear tht i dont think what the girl wears at the time maters.. Bcoz the guy's brain already became filth long back..
I think tht mentalilty tht develops bcox of exposure to skin show is to be blamed.. Other factors also exist.. Maybe some hve a higher influence on the mentality of developing brains of rapists.. But everyone speaks of those issues.. People are soo busy trying to defend movies and skinshow and the whole freedom to wear what u want bit tht they dont want to open their eyes towards this factor.. This is exactly why i want to speak abt it..
I m on the same page with all of u where u state that the mentality is to be blamed.. And i dont want to put the blame on just one factor.. But this factor SHOULD be discussed properly by the youth rather than being sidelined bcoz of it being unmodern..
If i m blessed with a son then ya i m going to teach him to respect women, To not hve the bckwards mentality tht he can rule women be it his sisters or wife or daughters.. AND i wont let his mind to b influenced by 'bad factors' specially in his tender age..
I knw p*rn is very readily available everywhere.. I can get it for free on my cell if i want to.. But tht thing us tht u dont go to cinema to watch p*rn with ur family do u? But movies hve made it pretty easy for us to accept skinshow.. U knw bcoz i hve analysed this in alot of families a long time before this rape issue came up..
And yes i do find educating ALL men to not rape women an incredulous idea bcoz it cant be done.. I dont knw how u can do tht.. U can use the media to create awareness.. But making people believe in what u say is not always possible.. U csn make everyone hear abt the evils of rape but can u make them realise in their hearts that they shouldnt do it..
Okay, I really don't know how to get this across to you properly, so I am going to just say it.
If you are trying to use the American statistics to prove a point that the modernisation, and media has caused the rapes then I would like to tell you that 50-70-heck even 100 years ago rape existed. It's not like a girl came on screen showing skin, the men came out with wagging tongues and raped the first woman they saw.
So you are pretty much saying that the men's mind goes corrupt after seeing the skin of a woman that they don't care who it is, what they are doing and they go and rape. Alrighty then.
I am glad you at least acknowledge that there are several factors involved in a rapist's mindset, but let me correct and elaborate a bit for you:
Rape in India especially, is caused by the instilled mindset in people's mind of the role of women. The sexism that exists (worldwide) often objectifies and subjects women to certain stereotypical roles which usually make her seem lesser than a man.
This causes them to think that they have a right over her.
Before, (and even now probably, in some places) a woman's worth was valued by her virginity. If she bled on the first night, then she was pure. If she did not, then she was subjected to all kinds of torture.
Did any of that apply to men? Nope. In fact they were considered to be "mard" after doing the deed, while women were just thought to warm the bed at night.
Okay, now you are going to bring in the Western thing as well and be like "what about America.."
well sexism is not just lone to India. Yes, it's a lot more apparent in India, but it exists worldwide.
I am not going to deny that you cannot place the entire blame on sexism, but the bottom of the thing is how women are viewed and respected.
How a woman dresses is not an indication of how much respect she deserves.
Now you are going to say that media fuels these sexist views - and I do not deny that - but censoring the media is not going to get rid of the original problem - sexism.
You are treating the symptom here...
Also, I feel that however a woman dresses is her choice. Whatever she decides to do, is her choice. If she wants to go on a stage and freaking dance in front of 100 men, so what.
Let his mind be influenced by "bad factors"
good luck with that :')
You have as much control on what your son will be exposed to, as much as you have control over sand slipping between your fingers.
So wait, because we go to movies with families which show a bit of skin, you are saying we accept rape? What?
They thought educating people on racism was an incredulous idea - they got that, didn't they?
They thought that getting women their rights was an incredulous idea - they got that, didn't they?
Don't underestimate the power of education. Personally, I find educating people to not rape and respect women, is a better solution than putting restrictions on the media, the way people behave, dress etc in order to not provoke being raped. But hey, that's just my view. Clearly we disagree in that regards...
Also, you may educate one person to respect a woman - that makes one less man who is potentially going to rape.
Edited by Krani - 08 May 2013 at 9:08am