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Posted: 21 January 2013 at 9:26am | IP Logged
Originally posted by RatiG

Originally posted by JanakiRaghunath

Rape is never acceptable. Period. I agree with almost everyone here, but one thing I would like to say is that clothing DOES matter.
 
Look, I am not saying women deserve to be raped if they wear revealing clothing. The perpetrator is always at fault and I sincerely believe that.
 
However, I also believe that every individual has a responsibility not to instigate people who have bad intentions. Just like you don't carry around a thick wad of cash in your hands when you walk around outside, since there are always thieves lurking about ready to mug you, you also don't walk around revealing every part of your skin.
 
This applies to BOTH men and women. Even men should not walk around without a shirt or pant because it looks plain indecent. Both men and women should wear proper attire when they are out of their home, whether it be western or indian. When people dress themselves decently, they are less bound to attract attention. This applies to both men in the case of women rapists, and women in the case of men rapists. Victims are NOT at fault, but they DO have a responsibility to protect themselves as best as they can.
 
Of course, it's also true that rape happens to people who are dressed decently as well, so this is not a solution or anything, but it's a prevention method everyone should take part in, whether they be men or women.
how should we dress i wear round neck suits then also men stare at me..and when i am fat...my sisters college dress was suit then also her seniors would pass comments that she looks hot in suits how would she look in binkini is that acceptable NO NOT AT ALL
i would would see them ever in life i would seriously kick their ass for treating my sister like thatAngry


Rati that's the point...no matter what u'll wear, those who r sick will do these cheap things...clothes, bikini, suit or anything doesnt matter.
and seriously these people who think that they can behave like this as they want with anyone are sick and should be slapped heard...whether someone is skinny or fat, whether one wear burqa or shorts...everyone deserve the basic respect as as individual.

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Posted: 21 January 2013 at 10:30am | IP Logged
Look, I'm not here to fight with anyone. I agree that many sarees in India expose the midriff too. It all depends on how one wears the saree. You can wear them in a more decent manner also, although nowadays it's fashionable to expose as much skin as possible, whether one wears a saree or skirt.
 
I agree that people with sick minds will do something whether one exposes or not, but covering ourselves up is the least we can do to protect ourselves. Society and government should do the rest to protect us. Harsher laws need to be imposed on sickos who feel it's alright to sexually harass men or women.
 
All I'm saying is, it's every person's responsibility not to dress like they're going to the bar. Whether they wear sarees, salwar kameez, skirts, or pants, they should look professional when they're outside their home. This gives off an aura of maturity and decency. This should apply to both men and women, not just women. If people think they have the right to go naked outside if they wish, then I'm sorry, but we live in a society governed by laws and everything has limits, including dressing style.
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Posted: 21 January 2013 at 10:46am | IP Logged
Originally posted by JanakiRaghunath

Look, I'm not here to fight with anyone. I agree that many sarees in India expose the midriff too. It all depends on how one wears the saree. You can wear them in a more decent manner also, although nowadays it's fashionable to expose as much skin as possible, whether one wears a saree or skirt.

No one is here to fight with anyone here...it's a debate, an open debate. how one wears the saree, btw i dont know where do u live, but the most exposing saree one wear is in the most traditional india, most original, far away from cities and glamorous lifestyle. Original indian saree is just a piece of six length cloth nothing else, blouse and skirt are western dresses which were started with indian saree when english came, and then it was a fashion to wear 3 piece saree by the most rich elite indian class.

 
I agree that people with sick minds will do something whether one exposes or not, but covering ourselves up is the least we can do to protect ourselves. Society and government should do the rest to protect us. Harsher laws need to be imposed on sickos who feel it's alright to sexually harass men or women.
 
All I'm saying is, it's every person's responsibility not to dress like they're going to the bar. Whether they wear sarees, salwar kameez, skirts, or pants, they should look professional when they're outside their home. This gives off an aura of maturity and decency. This should apply to both men and women, not just women. If people think they have the right to go naked outside if they wish, then I'm sorry, but we live in a society governed by laws and everything has limits, including dressing style.
And what to wear when one is going to bar or pub??do we need to look professional in our parties, hangouts too..?



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Posted: 21 January 2013 at 10:53am | IP Logged
Originally posted by meghasingh

Originally posted by JanakiRaghunath

Look, I'm not here to fight with anyone. I agree that many sarees in India expose the midriff too. It all depends on how one wears the saree. You can wear them in a more decent manner also, although nowadays it's fashionable to expose as much skin as possible, whether one wears a saree or skirt.

No one is here to fight with anyone here...it's a debate, an open debate. how one wears the saree, btw i dont know where do u live, but the most exposing saree one wear is in the most traditional india, most original, far away from cities and glamorous lifestyle. Original indian saree is just a piece of six length cloth nothing else, blouse and skirt are western dresses which were started with indian saree when english came, and then it was a fashion to wear 3 piece saree by the most rich elite indian class.

 
I agree that people with sick minds will do something whether one exposes or not, but covering ourselves up is the least we can do to protect ourselves. Society and government should do the rest to protect us. Harsher laws need to be imposed on sickos who feel it's alright to sexually harass men or women.
 
All I'm saying is, it's every person's responsibility not to dress like they're going to the bar. Whether they wear sarees, salwar kameez, skirts, or pants, they should look professional when they're outside their home. This gives off an aura of maturity and decency. This should apply to both men and women, not just women. If people think they have the right to go naked outside if they wish, then I'm sorry, but we live in a society governed by laws and everything has limits, including dressing style.
And what to wear when one is going to bar or pub??do we need to look professional in our parties, hangouts too..?



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I know what the "original" saree is, but the original saree was not worn by everyone. It was worn by the tribal women. Ancient brahmin women covered their entire body, whereas kshatriya women wore their sarees a different way. What you refer to as the original saree was not the original saree. It was the saree worn by a specific group which is no longer prominent today.
 
I have mixed feelings about pubs and bars, so I won't comment on them. Personally, I am not in favor of such hangouts in general. As for other parties, It's alright to dress fashionably and wear western clothing, but there is a limit to everything and I think everyone knows what that limit is. We all know when something is too revealing. I'm not even talking about decensy. Even fashion - wise, extremely revealing clothing doesn't look good on people, whether they are fat or thin.
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Posted: 21 January 2013 at 11:10am | IP Logged
@janakiraghunath. conditions were worse in the ancient times...specific group...it was untouchables and they werent allowed to cover their body below their knees and above their waists... probably our culture has the most erotic things... khajuraho temples, kamasutra by vatsyayna, and more than that our god of gods is such who is having sex with every woman he likes by deceitful means...

rapes were common, its just that now we're opposing them...and mixed feelings...and even laws and regulations, although not flawless but i still believe that our constitution is a wonderful one, no where women r abolished in pubs, bars and to wear sexy fashionable dresses.

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Posted: 21 January 2013 at 11:44am | IP Logged
Originally posted by meghasingh

@janakiraghunath. conditions were worse in the ancient times...specific group...it was untouchables and they werent allowed to cover their body below their knees and above their waists... probably our culture has the most erotic things... khajuraho temples, kamasutra by vatsyayna, and more than that our god of gods is such who is having sex with every woman he likes by deceitful means...

rapes were common, its just that now we're opposing them...and mixed feelings...and even laws and regulations, although not flawless but i still believe that our constitution is a wonderful one, no where women r abolished in pubs, bars and to wear sexy fashionable dresses.

 
It's better not to bring religion into the debate because that can ruffle quite a few sentiments, plus it's against IF rules to bash religion. Moreover, I do not believe any of us have a right to speak against the Gods of any religion without reading all the scriptures and understanding them deeply. Hinduism is not about Gods having sex with various women. That's plain insulting to religious sentiments and I would hope people would know more about Hinduism than that. If they don't, then they shouldn't speak about it. Period.
 
I agree our culture is not a perfect one, but no culture is. Every culture in the world has its pros and cons. We as a society should try to change the cons of the system, but we should do it without abusing religion, whether we believe in religion or not. Even atheists can co-exist peacefully with theists when everyone respects each others sentiments and beliefs.

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Posted: 21 January 2013 at 11:48am | IP Logged
@janakiraghunath...these parts i have read from the original scriptures...and these r the things even an hindu,(being an ex i know) who is honest will accept, and i'm not bashing any religion or any culture they are facts...and i dont feel ashamed over them...it was something about one of the basic instincts of human...
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Posted: 21 January 2013 at 11:51am | IP Logged
I've seen a lot of religion bashing in this thread, and I don't believe that constitutes open discussion at all. People abuse the concept of burqa, whereas I have a lot of muslim friends who wear it willingly because they have embraced that custom of their culture. There's nothing wrong with a burqa when it's worn willingly. It becomes problem when women are forced into it.
 
Likewise, mocking the Hindu deities because they are "anti-feminist" is plain ridiculous. So what if Lakshmi is always shown pressing Vishnu's feet? If those bashers have actually read the Hindu scriptures, they would know that Vishnu never asked her to press his feet anywhere. Lakshmi has always served her husband of her own free will. Why the heck do people have a problem with that? They are suddenly so great that they can point their finger on God?
 
Also, please do not bring up Sita's Agni Pariksha or her exile in Ramayan without reading the Ramayan fully. People who have a deep understanding of the epic and have read it with true faith would never speak out against Lord Ram. If they read the surface level with the sole purpose of finding fault with the characters, then they will feel only angry and hatred for the characters.
 
Personally, I think religion should not be brought into the conversation at all. If you don't believe in religion, then leave it alone. No one is forcing it down your throat. I have met a lot of athetists who are far more respectful towards religion than many of the members in this thread.
 

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