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Posted: 13 January 2013 at 9:19am | IP Logged
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Dear it really hurts when women are blamed unnecessarily for those heinous crimes done by bloody *********

even in the case of jyothi diii girls began asking WHAT WAS THE NEED FOR THAT GIRL TO GO OUT AT NIGHT?
why can't they ask why boys are sooo misbehaved that girls can't go out at night??????

WHY ALWAYS GIRLS ARE BLAMED???????????
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I also feel the same..Cry in fact our (=girls) mentality is also one of the reason.. we believe in what our mother say.. and our mother believes in what she learnt from her mother.. and then we go on.. nothing changes.. no one changes.. always women are the reason for everything.. if a girl and boy do the same mistake.. it's always the mistake of a girl..

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Posted: 13 January 2013 at 9:24am | IP Logged
Originally posted by dude81

so what should be done????? let them enjoy secured peaceful life??????
it is sooo easy to preach that the culprits should not be tortured... humanity... blah blah!!!
i just wish... once... for once... people try and empathetically view the girl and her family...
try and step in her shoes, her mom's shoes... her father-brothers shoes... god-forbid she could hav been you, or your sis... even then u would have said kepunishing the culprits is barbaric????
today you say candle marches are not cunstructive enough... well then what is?????
i agree that rape is an act of domination... so is ragging (although its miniscule before rape)... but dont we try to protect it????
and what police are you defending???? was the police understaffed when it wqas lathi charging the protesters?????
if they are underpaid... then should we add to their salaries????? understaffed???? if goverment does not wish to recruit police... then what should youth do???? forcefully recruit themselves???? and the police that is there... the laws for them were made in 1861... have not been revised so far... 65 yrs after independance... police reforms yet to see the light of the day!!!!
you find middle class self-righteous?????? let me enlighten you!
do you have any idea about the corruption in this country... so so so many scams...
forget all scams... just consider the value of cwg+2g. you know... if this amount instead of being skimmed off to swiss banks was distributed among indians...EACH INDIAN WOULD HAVE GOT 5 LAKH RS...  whole poverty of india... gone!!! it is mind boggling!!!!
when the government has to recruit police, doctors, teachers etc... open colleges... then government says we dont have enough money but does not bat an eyelid while giving corores of rs to industrialists as tax redumptions?????
which people attend the meetings of politicians... u think that most of middle class does it??? have u seen the rallies???? do i need to tell u what is the crowd there?????
my sociology teacher was once saying that in india, nothing is impossible! if government wants... within days it can remove poverty, caste system... corruption ... illitracy etc..!!!! b ut govt does not do so because they know that educated masses will first and foremost challange them only!
this is so true!
and in the end... the middle class you are accusing... is the sole hope of this country...
the candle marches enforce the solidarity... proove that indians can still get togather and shun selfishness of their jobs...
if thats not constructive for you... i dont see what is constructive then?????
and if u are saying "oh... its too little to late..." then all i can say is little steps make big leaps...
indian goverment would have shamelessly pardoned the'juvenile' who ripped out intestines with his bare hands...
but now they are talking of changing the law...
it takes efforts to come out on streets  and face the lathis of police my freind!!!!!
you cant take a blanket and cover the whole middle class of india...
 
I'm not disrecrediting the Indian middle class..I read newspapers...I know that if it wasn't for the protesters then forget Delhi Gangrape, Jessica Lal, many other cases would have gone unnoticed...I think it was very brave of the people to go against the police and face lathi charge, water cannon, etc...
 
But all said and done, how long can you be angry? How long can you bay for revenge? Is revenge the sole motive? Fine, we tortured the culprits, then what? Once they're dead, what are you gonna do? Return back to your offices and pat yourself on the back thinking 'Yay, they got tortured, justice is served?'
 
By the way, I didn't discover the phenonmenon of rape with Delhi Gangrape.I've been reading about it in newspapers for a long time. When I first became mature enough to understand what it was my reaction was the same: 'Rapists are animals. They deserve to be hanged, tortured, etc.' Im a feminist, and the idea of a man raping a woman enraged me. But this is just a knee-jerk reaction. If you research the phenonmenon, you will realize that it goes way beyond just physical assault, it's deeply ingrained in all of us. Will you give everybody death penalty?
 
What I'm trying to say here is that everybody is blaming each other. Everybody is looking for a culprit, or some kind of payback. I think it's more important to focus on reforms. You can think of n number of bloodthirsty punishments, but is that going to stop crime? What we need is results, not revenge.
 
A lot of the people who are speaking out against the issue are hypocrites. If you go and personally interview the people who are protesting, you will find serious differences. A lot of the people who claim to be 'progressive' are actually people who do crimes in their own houses. Holding a candle doesn't make you a saint.
 
But on the other hand, there are those people who have put petitions, who have written articles, who have asked the government to introduce sex education, who have started NGO's and self-defence camps, who have started programmes for reformed harassers to spread awareness-this is what I call action. A lot of the people are just screaming 'Death penalty, death penalty' like it solves everything.
 
It's not just a question of humanity. Even practically speaking, death penalty NEVER works. We have death for murder-has it stopped happening? Even in America, where they have lethal injection, a 16 year old girl was raped and dragged from one party to another, and not a single person came forward to help.
 
And there's no denying that the middle class is apathetic most of the time. The rape victim was a middle-class educated professional, that's why people were so enraged. What about Dalits and sex workers. You will find around one-fourth of  the people who were so 'enraged' will suddenly shut their mouths.
 
I'm not absolving government of the blame either. But everybody knows our government is corrupt. It's nothing new.
 
Crime doesn't belong to a particular class bracket. It is a result of widespread social malaises such as patriarchy. All I'm trying to say here is that baying for blood or trying to 'Find out who's responsible' doesn't solve the problem. Engaging in active reform does. At the end of the day, we have to return to the 'selfishness' of our jobs. The solution lies finding a way to fulfill our social duties regardless of other constraints.
 
 


Edited by IndigoBlues - 13 January 2013 at 9:23am

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Posted: 13 January 2013 at 9:25am | IP Logged
Originally posted by -Alina.

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Dear it really hurts when women are blamed unnecessarily for those heinous crimes done by bloody *********

even in the case of jyothi diii girls began asking WHAT WAS THE NEED FOR THAT GIRL TO GO OUT AT NIGHT?
why can't they ask why boys are sooo misbehaved that girls can't go out at night??????

WHY ALWAYS GIRLS ARE BLAMED???????????

I also feel the same..Cry in fact our (=girls) mentality is also one of the reason.. we believe in what our mother say.. and our mother believes in what she learnt from her mother.. and then we go on.. nothing changes.. no one changes.. always women are the reason for everything.. if a girl and boy do the same mistake.. it's always the mistake of a girl..

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i agree dear
will this mentality ever change?Cry
if a girl is in an affair then she defames the familyAngry

if a boy is behind her its her mistakeOuch she might have attracted himAngry

afterall we are girls naOuch 

Also Commenting,whistling and at the top staring at women should be made punishableOuch 


Edited by KIARSHI - 13 January 2013 at 9:28am

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Posted: 13 January 2013 at 9:51am | IP Logged
Originally posted by KIARSHI

Originally posted by -Alina.



Dear it really hurts when women are blamed unnecessarily for those heinous crimes done by bloody *********

even in the case of jyothi diii girls began asking WHAT WAS THE NEED FOR THAT GIRL TO GO OUT AT NIGHT?
why can't they ask why boys are sooo misbehaved that girls can't go out at night??????

WHY ALWAYS GIRLS ARE BLAMED???????????

I also feel the same..Cry in fact our (=girls) mentality is also one of the reason.. we believe in what our mother say.. and our mother believes in what she learnt from her mother.. and then we go on.. nothing changes.. no one changes.. always women are the reason for everything.. if a girl and boy do the same mistake.. it's always the mistake of a girl..

[/QUOTE]

i agree dear
will this mentality ever change?Cry
if a girl is in an affair then she defames the familyAngry

if a boy is behind her its her mistakeOuch she might have attracted himAngry

afterall we are girls naOuch 

Also Commenting,whistling and at the top staring at women should be made punishableOuch 
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right...Cry

Society will change when mentality will change! (mentality=not only of men but women also)

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Posted: 13 January 2013 at 10:05am | IP Logged
I feel that the Indian society and its laws are to be blame for the increase in rapes!Monkey Winks
The Indian society has always placed men inferior to women and blamed women for everything.
Even in Indian shows, the "saas" in always doing torture to the bahu and the husband is neither standing up or giving support to his wife!Monkey Icon
And the laws for rape are such a minimal punishment. I believe that the punishment for rape should be TORTURE. Plus, if a wealthy guy rapes a middle-class/poor woman, the guy can bribe the police and the offender is left untouched and nothing happens to him.Monkey Icon

By the way guys, did you hear about the new gang rape which was done in the same way?Sleepy
It saddens me that India is day by day heading to become a country that has placed women as dolls. Its so ironic that where we worship Goddesses, people do horrible crimes towards women.

I am so glad to be living in the States where I know the safety of women is much higher than India. 

Love,
PiggiesPig

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Posted: 13 January 2013 at 10:05am | IP Logged
I just read that the way men and women look each other is different...it's not mind,it's mindset which works differently, and that too bcz of the environment and society. Women too see guys, they do have desires, they do have their sexuality...desires, pleasure, sex it's not something which is monopoly of men. It's just that we are taught that women don't have to desires.
So just stop this, accept the fact that it's not at all acceptable at any cost.

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Posted: 13 January 2013 at 10:08am | IP Logged
@piggies, and have you noticed all the saas bahu drama is so popular...even in movies do we get really intelligent movies based on women...so basically all this outburst by everyone is stupid drama...if someone wanna really change then tell men how to behave themselves.

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Posted: 13 January 2013 at 10:17am | IP Logged
Rape is rape. Women dressing provocatively is not an excuse to okay rape. Merely touching someone inappropriately without their permission is unacceptable, rape is out of the question. In a democracy, women should have the freedom to wear what they want, say what they want, go where they want without worrying about getting raped. I'd say it's the mentality and the culture to be blamed. For centuries, men have been considered above women. Women are supposed to be owned by men and clearly, this mentality still exists in society even today.

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