Debate : Who is Respnsible? - Page 22

Originally posted by: Amethyst.

There can never be ANY sane person who will commit rape because he saw an item song or movie with girls as they say in "short clothes". Rape is always because of the mentality an individual possesses and NOT because a certain girl "provoked" him. It's really horrendous that many in our society including the so called representatives of power ,the politicians, believe and argue that the girl should have been more careful, the girl should have worn traditional clothing etc. FYI , there are rapes committed to girls who dress up in sarees or salwaar kameez too. It has absolutely nothing to do with the clothing whatsoever.

The root cause, at least in my POV is the socially acceptable evils in our society as well as the development in smaller towns and villages. I say that because I am a small town girl but I live in Delhi for education. I agree that rich and educated people also commit rapes but a majority of the rapes are committed by labourers and bus drivers and such who have migrated to the city for work. And I will take the liberty to say that sadly, many of them are from the state I hail from , Bihar.

Rapes have NOTHING to do with a particular state or region, that is true in itself. But I choose to believe that it does have to do with the huge gap between development in smaller towns and big cities. When I go back to my hometown, dressed in a jeans and tshirt, I will have innumerous eyes staring at me. Stares that can make you shiver. The low literacy rates, the huge population and absolutely no exposure to independent women leads to these men believing that women are their property. And when they migrate to cities, they suddenly see so many women and girls who are independent, who believe they are equal to men. This provokes them. Plus our country is largely ignorant towards sex education. Talking about sex is a taboo. If we were more broad minded in talking about sex, with our parents as well as anyone else, things would change. 

The government never does enough to increase literacy rates and nor does the society, who still marries girls off at the age of 13 and restrict their movement. If change is needed then it has to be not just strict laws but also retaliation from the society. Earlier, the girl would be talked about if she was raped but today, suddenly there IS some change occurring. Even villages and small towns are shut down because of one rape. The mindset is changing, it will take time,but I do believe that there is more anger on rape than ever before. If there was more emphasis on educating people, morally and not just by the books, things would get better.

-Risha

Seriously i dont knw how to make u believe that tht statistics of rape in western countries may even be worsr than tht in india.. I m not debating on where it happens more.. I question abt how it can happen there??. Western countries do supposedly give women more freedom.. She can wear what she wants and still no one is bothered.. But is tht really so?? I just searched online and found alot of proof tht i think is credible(i m not talking abt wikipedia) which clearly proves tht rape in uk canada(just stating these two becoz i didnt search for solid proofs fot other countries) is high.. Over there too the ratio of husbands/boyfriends/relatives raping is high... Why? They hve sex education.. They open the doors for women, pull out chairs for females to sit, allow(or incourage) women to wear short clothes and dont stare hungrily at these women, hve given women an equal status, they deal with women justly,they hve a high literacy rate but then WHY DO WOMEN STILL GET RAPED OVER THERE?

I dont understand why people reading my post are constantly trying to unform me that girls wearing sarees and kamez shalwars are raped.. I think i made tht clear tht i dont think what the girl wears at the time maters.. Bcoz the guy's brain already became filth long back..
I think tht mentalilty tht develops bcox of exposure to skin show is to be blamed.. Other factors also exist.. Maybe some hve a higher influence on the mentality of developing brains of rapists.. But everyone speaks of those issues.. People are soo busy trying to defend movies and skinshow and the whole freedom to wear what u want bit tht they dont want to open their eyes towards this factor.. This is exactly why i want to speak abt it..

I m on the same page with all of u where u state that the mentality is to be blamed.. And i dont want to put the blame on just one factor.. But this factor SHOULD be discussed properly by the youth rather than being sidelined bcoz of it being unmodern..

If i m blessed with a son then ya i m going to teach him to respect women, To not hve the bckwards mentality tht he can rule women be it his sisters or wife or daughters.. AND i wont let his mind to b influenced by 'bad factors' specially in his tender age..

I knw p*rn is very readily available everywhere.. I can get it for free on my cell if i want to.. But tht thing us tht u dont go to cinema to watch p*rn with ur family do u? But movies hve made it pretty easy for us to accept skinshow.. U knw bcoz i hve analysed this in alot of families a long time before this rape issue came up..

And yes i do find educating ALL men to not rape women an incredulous idea bcoz it cant be done.. I dont knw how u can do tht.. U can use the media to create awareness.. But making people believe in what u say is not always possible.. U csn make everyone hear abt the evils of rape but can u make them realise in their hearts that they shouldnt do it..

Originally posted by: sunset60

Seriously i dont knw how to make u believe that tht statistics of rape in western countries may even be worsr than tht in india.. I m not debating on where it happens more.. I question abt how it can happen there??. Western countries do supposedly give women more freedom.. She can wear what she wants and still no one is bothered.. But is tht really so?? I just searched online and found alot of proof tht i think is credible(i m not talking abt wikipedia) which clearly proves tht rape in uk canada(just stating these two becoz i didnt search for solid proofs fot other countries) is high.. Over there too the ratio of husbands/boyfriends/relatives raping is high... Why? They hve sex education.. They open the doors for women, pull out chairs for females to sit, allow(or incourage) women to wear short clothes and dont stare hungrily at these women, hve given women an equal status, they deal with women justly,they hve a high literacy rate but then WHY DO WOMEN STILL GET RAPED OVER THERE?

I dont understand why people reading my post are constantly trying to unform me that girls wearing sarees and kamez shalwars are raped.. I think i made tht clear tht i dont think what the girl wears at the time maters.. Bcoz the guy's brain already became filth long back..
I think tht mentalilty tht develops bcox of exposure to skin show is to be blamed.. Other factors also exist.. Maybe some hve a higher influence on the mentality of developing brains of rapists.. But everyone speaks of those issues.. People are soo busy trying to defend movies and skinshow and the whole freedom to wear what u want bit tht they dont want to open their eyes towards this factor.. This is exactly why i want to speak abt it..

I m on the same page with all of u where u state that the mentality is to be blamed.. And i dont want to put the blame on just one factor.. But this factor SHOULD be discussed properly by the youth rather than being sidelined bcoz of it being unmodern..

If i m blessed with a son then ya i m going to teach him to respect women, To not hve the bckwards mentality tht he can rule women be it his sisters or wife or daughters.. AND i wont let his mind to b influenced by 'bad factors' specially in his tender age..

I knw p*rn is very readily available everywhere.. I can get it for free on my cell if i want to.. But tht thing us tht u dont go to cinema to watch p*rn with ur family do u? But movies hve made it pretty easy for us to accept skinshow.. U knw bcoz i hve analysed this in alot of families a long time before this rape issue came up..

And yes i do find educating ALL men to not rape women an incredulous idea bcoz it cant be done.. I dont knw how u can do tht.. U can use the media to create awareness.. But making people believe in what u say is not always possible.. U csn make everyone hear abt the evils of rape but can u make them realise in their hearts that they shouldnt do it..

Edited by Krani - 10 years ago

Did i say rape never existed? Yes it did.. Its there for not hundred but thousands of years(i hve read in history).. My question is tht americans hve free highschool for all.. They hve education.. Y is rape so common over there?
What makes women an object of sex.. Dont u think by appearing sexy we r trying to objectify overselves as sex symbols?

Yes educating people around us is important but it is not a complete solution!!



By saying that we go to movies wid our famiies to watch movies wid skin show i m saying tht this has become a part of our life.. We dont c whats wrong wid skinshow...

I m against the traditional steriotype mentality that treats women as lower grade humans... People around me r also the same.. They never look at the bedsheet after the wedding night.. And those who hve these views they r being educated by on this matter...i never said tht i support this nor hve i said tht these factors are not unfluencing the mindset of people.. But in my view the 'feminist' view is not actually feminist... I think females in the hope of glorifying themselves are actually degrading us... We dont need to appear sexy... We dont need to attract people.. We r what we r.. We dont need to show our skin to sell stuff.. I find it highly insulting..Edited by sunset60 - 10 years ago

Originally posted by: sunset60

Did i say rape never existed? Yes it did.. Its there for not hundred but thousands of years(i hve read in history).. My question is tht americans hve free highschool for all.. They hve education.. Y is rape so common over there? 

Are you saying India doesn't have any education or highschools 😆 Clearly the factors I pointed out above come into play as well. America does have a high crime rate, and therefore the rape rate is high. However if you are talking about the West, I would like to take Melbourne as an example. Low crime rate, low rape rate, and yet there is modernisation around. So clearly, media and modernisation is not the only reason why rapes are happening the West. 

What makes women an object of sex.. Dont u think by appearing sexy we r trying to objectify overselves as sex symbols?

When I go out dressed sexily, I am not doing it so the man can rape me, I am doing it because I want to look hot. When I do it, I am not doing it to seem like a sex object, I am doing it because I want to look and feel great. If I go out and dance, flirt etc with a guy, and he starts to come onto me, and if I say "No" he has to back away. So me wearing a sexy dress does not make me a sexual object - if a man (or a woman) views me as such, that reflects their disgusting and ignorant thinking. 

Why the hell should that right to show skin be taken away from women? Why should only men have the right to go around shirtless, or with muscles showing. Why shouldn't men be forced to cover up as well? And don't tell me that's because men aren't raped, because men are raped as well. 

Yes educating people around us is important but it is not a complete solution!!

Neither is the media censoring, or getting women to be appropriately dressed...

But education would not oppress women, or the media, or free speech...


By saying that we go to movies wid our famiies to watch movies wid skin show i m saying tht this has become a part of our life.. We dont c whats wrong wid skinshow...

Why should there be anything wrong with skin show? Why should people have to cover up everywhere. 

You are essentially saying that the victim has to be careful to not be raped, rather than having the men not rape women. Why are you constantly asking the victim to change?

I would also like to say that areas where such "skin-shows" are not viewed favourably, women still get raped there. 

I m against the traditional steriotype mentality that treats women as lower grade humans... People around me r also the same.. They never look at the bedsheet after the wedding night.. And those who hve these views they r being educated by on this matter...i never said tht i support this nor hve i said tht these factors are not unfluencing the mindset of people.. But in my view the 'feminist' view is not actually feminist... I think females in the hope of glorifying themselves are actually degrading us... We dont need to appear sexy... We dont need to attract people.. We r what we r.. We dont need to show our skin to sell stuff.. I find it highly insulting..

Degrading women by giving them equal rights? Degrading women by giving them the freedom to wear what they want?

You know how the Burqa was banned in France, there was a whole outcry against the movement. because they were taking away the right for women to dress as they pleased. While some thought Some thought that wearing the Burqa oppressed women (I don't agree with that), others thought that it was their wish to be fully-clothed head to toe, so what's the problem in that? And I support that. 

Since there is no problem in a woman being covered head to toe, with only her eyes showing, then what is the problem in a girl wearing a bikini. Why are you so hell-bent on taking awya this right of a woman to do as she pleases?

If you say that you don't have a problem with women wearing short clothes, or showing their skin - then banning the media from showing such stuff...what is that going to achieve? In fact it would make it more...apparent that somebody is wearign short clothes, and the girl's character will be constantly questioned if all the media shows is sari-wearing leads, while the men have the freedom to do what they want...