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Posted: 12 January 2013 at 11:05am | IP Logged
Thank you D for directing me here
I would admit that I was appalled by the treatment of forced sex, sexual violence and the way the male leads dominate the females on both TV and in fiction, more so in fiction actually. And yes, the worst part being that the girls writing, reading and cheering for these stories are the ones who form this generation. Its almost as if a new sort of subtle backward digression of thought process has started right under the nose of feminism. Its just.. staggering.
I don't know what is worse- the ignorance, insensitivity, lack of common sense or the "I am right and you are outdated" attitude. I don't read on this forum any more barring a couple of writers and dont want explore this stuff any more. It just disgusts me.

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Posted: 12 January 2013 at 3:14pm | IP Logged
I have come across a one or two stories in this forum by popular writers where they make the victim fall in love with the perpetrator. It's almost as though a trend has been set ...get the girl raped and tortured by a handsome douche and then make him a little apologetic and bam ...she is in love. Which is really sad.



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Posted: 12 January 2013 at 4:42pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by -publicenemy-

Originally posted by rima

Originally posted by Naach_Basanti

Originally posted by rima

I am glad about this
frankly even in fiction i cant stand rape of girl by a guy and then saying the guy lives her
rape is rape is rape
it is use of brute force
nothing condones it
and I am very very unhappy with all FFs that use rape in the name of 'Dark FF'
 
surprisingly thoe FFs are immesely popular
shows that in our heart of heart we approve of rape?
rape by a lover?
a husband?


Just not that Rima, in many FFs women are being portrayed as welcoming brutal sex that violates and pains them. Some of these women beg for it. Frankly to me that is unacceptable.
absolutely right
do people know what rape implies
it wounds the soul of a person
destroyes their self esteem
no one can put up with violent abusive love and it is vile to portray it
it sickens me
and yet I am zapped that many people, that too girls write it and like it

This is a troubling phenomenon that has been evident in many FFs for a while now.  However, what I have also noticed that - and I admit that this is likely an over-generalization - the FFs that glorify rape, rapists, and have the woman victim be presented as someone who either enjoys it or who later finds love with the perpetrator are written in a generally immature manner or at the very least give the indication that it is written by a young person or someone who is just reaching for extremes in the FF without having any understanding of the issue itself.  The reader-base also tends to be of a similar ilk, giving the indication of young age or some level of lack of maturity in their responses.  I am all for creative freedom in writing and there is certainly a genre of rape-fantasy fiction out there that has its own reader-base (although generally they are geared towards adults with some clear understanding of the distinction between fantasy and reality and not young'uns attracted to the shock value of the subject and somehow confusing that level of control and possession as somehow reflecting desirability and genuine love).  

I have had debates on this issue with some of my friends here on IF and in arguing both sides of the equation between ourselves, what one of them said was that there is no way to protect children and adolescents from the real world and given that they have access to the web and all its questionable content, what is the purpose of trying to control content here on IF or FFs.  While there is some merit to her argument, I am often troubled by how much support there is here for 'dark FFs' with this content and how the majority typically tend to ignore the issue and the fact that some of these FFs receive 300 and 400 likes.  Popularity does not automatically mean that the issue should not be questioned or that there shouldn't be a good discussion about this trend so that the other side of the issue - the problems with glorifying rape in this manner - should not be discussed.  

Independent of the new rules on writing this content, I am genuinely curious about the appeal of this trend and would like to hear from both sides of the argument - those who are in support of it and those who are opposed to it.

-D


as always a very eloquently put. I guess we all have to draw a line somewhere and to me the line gets drawn at the point where-
1. A woman begs for the man to be brutal during sex
2. A woman enjoys being abused
3. something that glorifies taking away someone's virginity.

Personally I find this inappropriate in a public forum like IF, but that's is purely my personal opinion. Agreed there are far worse erotica out there, but that's exactly what it is - erotica. You know what you are signing upto when you read such a story. As an adult Im old enough to understand what subjects like BDSM is. Wheraes when you sign up to read an FF - based on a love story in a forum frequented by many kids, you've got to draw the line somewhere. I have issues when such things are thrown around in the story without understanding its full consequences.


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Posted: 12 January 2013 at 9:23pm | IP Logged

Can you change the heading of this topic please? It seems to cover a lot more than just rape.

Well these rules ought to have been laid down a long time ago. Have you realized about such content just today? What do you plan on doing about countless such FFs that have already made its way into the pages of this forum? Why were these kind of rules not laid down in the first place.

Not to sound negative but I don't see a point in this really. The epidemic has already set in. Big smile. Glorifying rape and brutality has become a hit formula now. May be a few writers won't use the four letter word but will have enough talent to imply it in a 'subtle' way without breaking any rules. Cannot really stop depravity.

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Posted: 12 January 2013 at 10:15pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by glassdoor



Well these rules ought to have been laid down a long time ago. Have you realized about such content just today? What do you plan on doing about countless such FFs that have already made its way into the pages of this forum? Why were these kind of rules not laid down in the first place.

Not to sound negative but I don't see a point in this really. The epidemic has already set in. Big smile. Glorifying rape and brutality has become a hit formula now. May be a few writers won't use the four letter word but will have enough talent to imply it in a 'subtle' way without breaking any rules. Cannot really stop depravity.


The rules have always been the same; it's on the bottom of every page of India Forums, stating:
"Note:

India Forums does not permit posting of any content or material which is or can be construed as being

  • sexually explicit, po*nographic
  • offensive to any religion, race or community
  • abusive language or Derogatory Expressions.
  • violative of anothers Intellectual Property"

Thus, from the IF side, the ban on "sexually explicit, po*nographic" material covers both rape and sex in general.  As you can see, this is a difficult rule to enforce given the sheer number of stories out there.

  The problem is also that there is very little in the way of a good discussion about this trend of "depravity" given the popularity of 'dark fictions.'

-D



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Posted: 12 January 2013 at 10:50pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by -publicenemy-

Originally posted by glassdoor



Well these rules ought to have been laid down a long time ago. Have you realized about such content just today? What do you plan on doing about countless such FFs that have already made its way into the pages of this forum? Why were these kind of rules not laid down in the first place.

Not to sound negative but I don't see a point in this really. The epidemic has already set in. Big smile. Glorifying rape and brutality has become a hit formula now. May be a few writers won't use the four letter word but will have enough talent to imply it in a 'subtle' way without breaking any rules. Cannot really stop depravity.


The rules have always been the same; it's on the bottom of every page of India Forums, stating:
"Note:

India Forums does not permit posting of any content or material which is or can be construed as being

  • sexually explicit, po*nographic
  • offensive to any religion, race or community
  • abusive language or Derogatory Expressions.
  • violative of anothers Intellectual Property"

Thus, from the IF side, the ban on "sexually explicit, po*nographic" material covers both rape and sex in general.  As you can see, this is a difficult rule to enforce given the sheer number of stories out there.

  The problem is also that there is very little in the way of a good discussion about this trend of "depravity" given the popularity of 'dark fictions.'

-D





Well there you go I missed the standard fine print. Embarrassed. My bad.

Cannot agree more with you. It is difficult to regulate it. That is why I feel such rules are kind of pointless. We can discuss all we want. But will followers of such fiction ever stop? I would think not. There will always be a "50 shades of something and something else" story...

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Posted: 12 January 2013 at 11:28pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by -publicenemy-

Originally posted by rima

Originally posted by Naach_Basanti

Originally posted by rima

I am glad about this
frankly even in fiction i cant stand rape of girl by a guy and then saying the guy lives her
rape is rape is rape
it is use of brute force
nothing condones it
and I am very very unhappy with all FFs that use rape in the name of 'Dark FF'
 
surprisingly thoe FFs are immesely popular
shows that in our heart of heart we approve of rape?
rape by a lover?
a husband?


Just not that Rima, in many FFs women are being portrayed as welcoming brutal sex that violates and pains them. Some of these women beg for it. Frankly to me that is unacceptable.
absolutely right
do people know what rape implies
it wounds the soul of a person
destroyes their self esteem
no one can put up with violent abusive love and it is vile to portray it
it sickens me
and yet I am zapped that many people, that too girls write it and like it

This is a troubling phenomenon that has been evident in many FFs for a while now.  However, what I have also noticed that - and I admit that this is likely an over-generalization - the FFs that glorify rape, rapists, and have the woman victim be presented as someone who either enjoys it or who later finds love with the perpetrator are written in a generally immature manner or at the very least give the indication that it is written by a young person or someone who is just reaching for extremes in the FF without having any understanding of the issue itself.  The reader-base also tends to be of a similar ilk, giving the indication of young age or some level of lack of maturity in their responses.  I am all for creative freedom in writing and there is certainly a genre of rape-fantasy fiction out there that has its own reader-base (although generally they are geared towards adults with some clear understanding of the distinction between fantasy and reality and not young'uns attracted to the shock value of the subject and somehow confusing that level of control and possession as somehow reflecting desirability and genuine love).  

I have had debates on this issue with some of my friends here on IF and in arguing both sides of the equation between ourselves, what one of them said was that there is no way to protect children and adolescents from the real world and given that they have access to the web and all its questionable content, what is the purpose of trying to control content here on IF or FFs.  While there is some merit to her argument, I am often troubled by how much support there is here for 'dark FFs' with this content and how the majority typically tend to ignore the issue and the fact that some of these FFs receive 300 and 400 likes.  Popularity does not automatically mean that the issue should not be questioned or that there shouldn't be a good discussion about this trend so that the other side of the issue - the problems with glorifying rape in this manner - should not be discussed.  

Independent of the new rules on writing this content, I am genuinely curious about the appeal of this trend and would like to hear from both sides of the argument - those who are in support of it and those who are opposed to it.

-D
 
well said
I wish to know the psyche that destroys a person
and then again makes that person vindicated with love by the hero who is also her rapist
 
 
 
I agree majority of these writers have a very immature style of writing
and the supporters too are equally belonging to a particular gang
 
 
you know i tried reading one of them
till date it haunts me
 
even if it is fiction
the pain of the person undergoing rape
is too much to bear
so what if the hero makes up for it
 
as i said
rape is rape is rape
 
 
it is forcing sex on a person
 
and it better not be glorified with love and romance

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Posted: 04 February 2013 at 8:37pm | IP Logged

Hello all,

I have been an active writer in the forum and I respect my readers. Here, as you all mentioned, I agree with most of the things... one about the blog link, or about asking/demanding for comments. It is completely the writer's choice in their own style. Some of them might just ask in a simplistic manner, and his words might hurt the writer's feelings. In such cases, no one are to be blamed in any way. We can not judge them without knowing their real intentions.

I also noticed that few readers who would regularly comment on the works, if the writer didn't replay to their posts, period, they would just stop commenting further. In that case, if they were offended being neglecting, then it is NOT right, guys. It's just that the writer hadn't found enough amount of time to re-comment to the posts. But they will always go through the comments for each and every part... So here, no one is at fault too, and it is all about understanding one's intentions and accepting them... Lately, I have been busy and never hit the like button for the comments on my stories, but I mentioned them the reason for that, and they, my readers, are very understandable and supportive to me... So, for all the people here, just speak out, interact with each other and you will be happy with the response...

And now, I have a doubt on the topic... Mature Content... I have few parts in my stories which contain it, and I used very sensitive words to describe their emotions while having their intimacy, though not in any way vulgar (as my readers mentioned it too). Here, I was confused whether whatever I have written has to be removed or can be kept... Because, for me whatever I had written was decent and in any way, not in a negative way, but the same might be vulgar to others. 

If any one can please tell me about it, I will be thankful and will edit it immediately. Here is the post link



One of my story... it is about a woman who faced the worst childhood. I wanted and tried to point out the facts as how women were treated by society and in many families, even now, look women as a worthless. The story revolves around a woman, who was forced to marry a guy, but the guy left her after an hour of the wedding, and tied her in the so called relationship, when he was enjoying his life with his girlfriend. In that circumstances, she met a man in her office, who felt a pull... Situations led them have a kind of live-in relationship... Thus the actual story starts of how the woman fights with the society, her family and her husband for her true love, with the help of that man... Is the story okay to be continue...? I did use their intimate part. Please clear this out... If it is not accepted, I respect the decision and edit it out immediately... Here is the link to the actual story...


(mature content that I used is part 4)

Thank you,

Vanhi

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