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mini2390 and sania2 as far as i have read all pages of this post no body has attacked Pakistan . Members stated facts only after quoting news articles. After the Mumbai attacks there has been substantial proof of Pakistan's involvement. On an Indian forum we are free to discuss India's politics. The I-F development team has edited all attacks on Pakistan that haven't been substantiated with proof .You too are free to offer your views as long as you can back it up.

Originally posted by: sania 2

but y indian govt is not doing anything ? they dont hav any plans or power to handle n prevent these attachs? 😕 is this so? if yes then any terrorist group can come in india n do ant thing wid india they want a government shud be powerful enough to handle all types of situations 😊

Was U.S the most powerfull country in the world able to handle the underhand tactics of the terrorist on 9/11 ??????????? This should answer your question !!

india haz its own way of producing terrorist attacks,its has created a lot ov problems and losses 4 pakistan, while pakistan haz not given it that much econmical or social damage, plz read:

*** US report details direct RAW involvement in East Pakistan secession

The News Intelligence Network: By Aslam Khan

By Aslam Khan

ISLAMABAD: A sensational American report has confirmed the Research and Analysis Wing (RAW), India's most powerful intelligence agency, was directly involved in the secession of East Pakistan into Bangladesh, and is currently engaged in similar activities. RAW has a long history of activity in Bangladesh supporting both secular forces and the area's Hindu minority, masterminding the break up of Pakistan in 1971, says the report made available to the News Intelligence Network (NIN) The report has been prepared by the innocent sounding Federation of American Scientists (FAS), a group which is however engaged in analysis and advocacy on science, technology and public policy concerning global security, especially about countries which have nuclear capability.

It is a privately funded non-profit policy organisation, whose Board of Sponsors includes 55 American Nobel laureates. FAS was originally founded as the Federation of Atomic Scientists in 1945 by members of the Manhattan Project, who produced the first atomic bomb. RAW is extensively engaged in disinformation campaigns, espionage, sabotage and terrorism against Pakistan and other neighboring countries, reveals the sensational secret report. It also gives details of the truly alarming involvement of RAW in terrorist activities in Pakistan. The report reveals the involvement of RAW in Bangladesh dating from the 1960s, when it promoted dissatisfaction against Pakistan in the then East Pakistan, including funding Mujibur Rahman's general election in 1970 and providing training and arming to the Mukti Bahini. The report claims an estimated 35,000 RAW agents have entered Pakistan at various times between 1983-99, with 12,000 having worked in the past or working presently in Sindh, 10,000 in Punjab 8,000 in North West Frontier Province and 5,000 in Balochistan. "As many as 40 terrorist camps are currently operating at Rajasthan, East Punjab, [occupied] Kashmir, Uttar Pradesh and other parts of India and are run by RAW's Special Service Bureau [SSB]," the report reveals. The report further confirms that throughout the Afghan War, RAW was responsible for the planning and execution of terrorist activities in Pakistan to deter Islamabad from supporting the Afghan liberation movement against India's ally, the Soviet Union.

"The assistance provided to RAW by the KGB enabled RAW to arrange terrorist attacks in Pakistani cities throughout the Afghan War," the report says. "The defeat of the Soviet Union in Afghanistan did not end the role of RAW in Pakistan, as it established training camps in East Punjab, [occupied] Kashmir, Uttar Pradesh and Rajasthan where agents are trained for terrorist activities," it reveals.

It further says that RAW has become "an effective instrument of India's national power, and has assumed a significant role in formulating India's domestic and foreign policies." RAW, according to the report, has enjoyed the backing of successive Indian governments in these efforts. Working directly under the Prime Minister, the structure rank, pay and perks of the Research and Analysis Wing are kept secret from parliament.

"Current policy debates in India have generally failed to focus on the relative priority given by RAW to activities directed against India's neighbours versus attention to domestic affairs to safeguard India's security and territorial integrity," the report says. It points out that RAW has had limited success in dealing with separatist movements in Manipur and Tripura in the northeast, Tamil Nadu in the south and Punjab and Kashmir in the northwestern part of the country.

RAW, it adds, has failed to neutralise freedom fighters in Kashmir and similar indigenous movements in Kerala, Karnataka and other places, along with economic and industrial espionage activities in New Delhi and Bombay. Giving a background of the intelligence agency, the American report says RAW was set up in 1968 "specifically targeted on Pakistan".

Pakistan, the report says, has accused RAW of sponsoring sabotage in its Punjab province, where it has been supporting the Seraiki movement, "providing financial support to promote its activities in Pakistan and organising an International Seraiki Conference in Delhi in November December 1993". It adds: "RAW has an extensive network of agents and anti-government elements within Pakistan, including dissident elements from various sectarian and ethnic groups of Sindh and Punjab."

According to it, India is funding the current upsurge of terrorism in Pakistan "and has been behind the sectarian violence between Shias and Sunnis, which has resulted in thousands of deaths in the last few years." *** Terrorist activities in Pakistan attributed to the clandestine activities of RAW in the report include:

*** A car bomb explosion in the Saddar area of Peshawar on 21 December 1995, which caused the death of 37 persons and injured over 50 others.

* An explosion at Shaukat Khanum Hospital on 14 April 1996, claiming the lives of seven persons and injuries to over 34 others.

* A bus traveling from Lahore to Sahiwal was blown up at Bhai Pheru on 28 April 1996, causing the deaths of 44 persons on the spot and injuring 30 others.

* An explosion in a bus near the Sheikhupura Hospital killed nine persons and injured 29 others on 08 May 1996.

* An explosion near Alam Chowk, Gujranwala on 10 June 1996 which killed three persons and injured 11 others.

* A bomb exploded on a bus on GT Road near Kharian on 10 June 1996, killing 2 persons and injuring 10 others.

* On 27 June 1996, an explosion opposite Madrassah Faizul Islam, Faizabad, Rawalpindi, killed 5 persons and injured over 50 others.

* A bomb explosion in the Faisalabad Railway Station passenger lounge on 8 July 1996 killed 3 persons and injured 20 others.

Another startling claim made by the American report is that it was RAW that was behind the hijacking of an Indian airliner to Lahore in 1971, "attributed to the Kashmiris, to give a terrorist dimension to the Kashmiri national movement".

The report continues: "During the course of its investigation the Jain Commission received testimony on the official Indian support to the various Sri Lankan Tamil armed groups in Tamil Nadu," the report reveals. From 1981, RAW and the Intelligence Bureau, according to the report, established a network of as many as 30 training bases for these groups in India. Centres were also established at the high-security military installation of Chakrata, near Dehra Dun, and in the Ramakrishna Puram area of New Delhi.

The report says that RAW and the Ministry of External Affairs are provided Rs. 250 million annually as "discretionary grants" for foreign influence operations. "These funds have supported organisations fighting Sikh and Kashmiri separatists in the UK, Canada and the US," it says.

It further reveals: "An Extensive network of Indian operatives is controlled by the Indian Embassy in Washington, DC whose covert activities include the infiltration of US long distance telephone carriers by Indian operatives, with access to all kinds of information, to blackmail relatives of US residents living in India". Citing an example, it says that in 1996, an Indian diplomat was implicated in a scandal over illegal funding of political candidates in the US. Under US law foreign nationals are prohibited from contributing to federal elections.

The US District Court in Baltimore sentenced Lalit H. Gadhia, a naturalised US citizen of Indian origin, to three months imprisonment. Gadhia had confessed that he worked as a conduit between the Indian Embassy and various Indian-American organisations for funnelling campaign contributions to influence US lawmakers. Over US $46,000 from the Indian Embassy was distributed among 20 Congressional candidates. The source of the cash used by Gadhia was Devendra Singh, a RAW official assigned to the Indian Embassy in Washington, the report says. It adds that illicit campaign money received in 1995 went to Democratic candidates including US Senators Charles S Robb (D-VA), Paul S. Sarbanes (D-MD) and US Representatives Benjamin L Cardin (D-MD) and Steny H. Hoyer (D-MD) -- (May 24, 1998).

http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/001482.html

India = More Terrorist Attacks than Iraq + Israel Combined?

ShortWinds of Change does some number crunching from the recently published National Counter Terrorism Center (NCTC) report -

Iraq 30.8%
Afghanistan 2.8%
Israel/ Palestine 8.4%
India 45.9%

well i think that indians shud actually do sumthing cuz it seems that india iznt really doing anything about its nation, and y iz it that india iz a nuclear power az compared to the other nations listed above, but still they cant defend their nation???dont want 2 be mean but its a fact, according 2 these results.

Edited by mini2390 - 17 years ago

instead of joking around, try 2 understand the facts! and stop quoting comments on wat pakistan iz doing and wat it iz not doing, cuz luk at ur nation first and then comment. it knows how to react to terrorism, but it doz not know how 2 act 2 it!!!!! and u guyz dont need 2 interfere in wat pakistan iz doing, plz be concerned about wat not ur nation iz not doing!!! and how long do u think that india can survive by just blaming acts of terrorism on other nations, wen it cant do anything about its own people, cuz it haz not done nothing so far!

u guys dont have 2 show how u guys dislike muslims, by cracking up jokes on arabs, wen we r discussing sumthing else right now, and mind the fact this topic iz not really about wat pakistan iz doing, its a topic concerned wid india!!! Edited by mini2390 - 17 years ago

" exactly..that is why we said..that just because it is India..Pakistan is surviving even after protecting terrorists and helping them bloom in their. If it was Israel or US..Pakistan was a history "

if that really iz the case, then we dont really need ur great favor......... plz tell ur leaders 2 take sum action regarding pakistan, but how cud they do that wen they cant do anything widin their nation, plz dont do favors on us, we dont need indian sympathy at all. Edited by mini2390 - 17 years ago

On the 3rd of December 1971, the Pakistani Air Force (PAF) struck a number of Indian airfields in northern India. By midnight, India was officially at war with Pakistan. Two weeks later, the war was over. The Indian Army had overrun erstwhile East Pakistan (Bangladesh) and taken 93,000 POWs.

Veering into history,Pakistan was originally made up of two distinct and geographically unconnected parts termed West and East Pakistan. West Pakistan was made up of a number of races including the Punjabis (the most numerous), Sindhis, Pathans, Balochis, Mohajirs (Muslim refugees from India) and others. East Pakistan, on the other hand, was much more homogeneous and had an overwhelming Bengali-speaking population.

Although the Eastern wing of Pakistan was more populous than than the Western one, political power since independence rested with the Western elite. This caused considerable resentment in East Pakistan and a charismatic Bengali leader called, Sheikh Mujibur Rehman, most forcefully articulated that resentment by forming an opposition political party called the Awami League and demanding more autonomy for East Pakistan within the Pakistani Federation. In the Pakistani general elections held in 1970, the Sheikh's party won the majority of seats, securing a complete majority in East Pakistan. In all fairness, the Sheikh should have been Prime Minister of Pakistan, or at least the ruler of his province. But West Pakistan's ruling elite were so dismayed by the turn of events and by the Sheikh's demands for autonomy that instead of allowing him to rule East Pakistan, they put him in jail. 😕

The dawn of 1971 saw a great human tragedy unfolding in erstwhile East Pakistan. Entire East Pakistan was in revolt. In the West, General Yahya Khan, who had appointed himself President in 1969, had given the job of pacifying East Pakistan to his junior, General Tikka Khan. The crackdown of 25 March 1971 ordered by Tikka Khan, left thousands of Bengalis dead and Sheikh Mujibur Rehman was arrested the next day. The same day, the Pakistani Army began airlifting two of its divisions plus a brigade strength formation to its Eastern Wing. Attempts to dis-arm Bengali troops were not entirely successful and within weeks of the 25 March massacres, many former Bengali officers and troops of the Pakistani Army had joined Bengali resistance fighters in different parts of East Pakistan

The Pakistani Army conducted several crackdowns in different parts of Bangladesh, leading to massive loss of civilian life. The details of those horrific massacres, in which defenceless people were trapped and machine-gunned, is part of Bangladeshi history. Survivors compare it to the Nazi extermination of Jews. At the same time, the Pakistani Administration in Dhaka thought it could pacify the Bengali peasantry by appropriating the land of the Hindu population and gifting it to Muslims. While this did not impress the peasantry, it led to the exodus of more than 8 million refugees (more than half of them Hindus) to neighbouring India. West Bengal was the worst affected by the refugee problem and the Indian government was left holding the enormous burden. Repeated appeals by the Indian government failed to elicit any response from the international community and by April 1971, the then Indian Prime Minister, Mrs. Indira Gandhi, decided that the only solution lay in helping Bengali freedom fighters, especially the Mukti Bahini, to liberate East Pakistan, which had already been re-christened Bangladesh by its people.








Now,that was for starters 😃

Originally posted by: mini2390

instead of joking around, try 2 understand the facts! and stop quoting comments on wat pakistan iz doing and wat it iz not doing, cuz luk at ur nation first and then comment. it knows how to react to terrorism, but it doz not know how 2 act 2 it!!!!! and u guyz dont need 2 interfere in wat pakistan iz doing, plz be concerned about wat not ur nation iz not doing!!! and how long do u think that india can survive by just blaming acts of terrorism on other nations, wen it cant do anything about its own people, cuz it haz not done nothing so far!

Firstly,please stop interfering in India's personal matters....We,as Indians are entitled to say that our government is not doing anything,as we pay our taxes and we suffer from the horrific bomb blasts.....But foreigners ARE NOT entitled to butt into India's domestic problems..Get that straight...and BTW,if india reacts to such attacks vehemently,its Pakistan that's going to be in trouble😉..Imagine,what would happen in India bombs all the "terrorist cells" on POK(and thus the masquerading pakistani army)

Reiterating,DO NOT MISCONSTRUE INDIA'S ENDURANCE AS HER WEAKNESS....and besides,you make no sense...So are you trying to say that because India's patient,the terrorists would continue with their activities and Pakistan would continue to harbour terrorism plainly because India's not retaliating😕...Absurd!!

Lastly,the credibility of the article you have posted isnt really great,whereas the article about Pakistan's involvement was done by the Time magazine,which is far more authentic than random local dailies...and basically the article accusing RAW pinpointed that RAW were involved in the freedom of Bangladesh,a fact known to one and all...Thanks for reminding😆

 

Edited by Buffie - 17 years ago

Originally posted by: mini2390

u guys dont have 2 show how u guys dislike muslims, by cracking up jokes on arabs, wen we r discussing sumthing else right now, and mind the fact this topic iz not really about wat pakistan iz doing, its a topic concerned wid india!!!

OMG😆😆😆...The president of India is a Muslim😛...and guess what,he's arguably the MOST venerated fellow,even by the orthodox Hindu brahmins.....Dr.APJ.Abdul Kalam is an epitome of secularism,and students all over India hold him in the highest esteem and look up to him...he's every kid's role model...So we Indians are NOT antagonistic towards the LOYAL PATRIOTIC MUSLIMS...We consider them as our kith and kin and our extended family.....👏

FYI,Muslims in India have more rights than Muslim in pakistan.(mainly voting right😛..Guess what,the BJP was overthrown as apparently all the Muslims of UP,Bihar,Jharkand etc voted against the BJP as they felt that the BJP didnt throw out narendra Modi for his inefficient handling of the Gujrat riots😡,..Otherwise,there was NO other reason for the vanquishment of the BJP government,as even the Congress were quite taken aback when they knew that they were leading😆)See,the Indians have the power to oust a central government....) ..... But the harsh thing is that Hindus in Pakistan suffer more than Muslims in India😭. Their are no Hindu in Pakistan in politics, or even at high ranking positions. On other hand look at Muslims in Inida, Indian President is a Muslim👏, big bollywood stars a ka SRK,Sallu,Saif,Aamir etc are Muslim, there are high ranking Muslim politicians, businessmen, the Indian cricket team captain was Muslim(Mohd Azaruddin) and there are atleast 2 muslim players in the Indian cricket squad(currently Irfan Pathan ,Mohammed Kaif and Waseem jaffer). First Indian to get Parmveer chakra was Muslim👏. So there is no denial that India is most tolerant country in the world, we celebrate ID, Christmas and Diwali and get days off in school for that. If I'm not mistaken,there is no Diwali or Christmas allowed in Pakistan...So the entire accusation that "Muslims are targetted in india" etc is very much preposterous😕

If you dislike it when pakistan is attacked,then please stop interfering in our personal matter...India never asked for any advice,and  as Aparna ji said,we Indians are discussing about our country's politics on INDIA FORUMS.....

 

Edited by Buffie - 17 years ago