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Posted: 21 December 2012 at 2:27am | IP Logged
Hey there everyone, i had a topic that's been nagging a lot.It has to do with the animals in HP. I mean in POA we are told that the  animals owned by the witch/wizard have magical abilities but they were not clearly described in the books.
According to me i think Hedwig has the ability to know when and where she is needed. Hermione didn't have an owl in POA to send Harry his birthday gift and when she thought of this Hedwig went to her. Not only this but every time Sirius is in hiding noone knows but when Harry sends him a letter Hedwig always finds him.
Crookshanks has the ability to recognize things for what they truly are. She knew that scabbers wasn't a rat and the dog was Sirius.
Fawkes could reach any where when dumboledore wanted.

Is this their ability or the connection between them and their owners?

 




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Posted: 23 December 2012 at 1:44am | IP Logged
I agree both with you guys, Mione and Cutecj...though have to say Cutecj...I was about to write the same reply to Mione...well almost the same...

I too agree that Luna was brought when Harry needed to go beyond the logic and believe in the unbelievable...may be getting ready for the next phase of his life when he would be dealing with things which went beyond the reasonings and beliefs...
And it is equally true that we do see parellals between Mcgonanall and Hermione...both frown upon the things which were based on vague presumptions...They were highly intelligent yet deeply insecured women who would double and triple check everything before taking a decision...Though I think Hermione's perspective widened largely because of her best friend's influence in her life...which could not have been said about Mcgonall...she resorted to sticking to rules, inspite of having Dumbledore on her sides...
But although Luna and Trewlaney come out as highly illogical and dreamy women, both do have a lot of difference...first I find Trewlaney quite shallow...I mean she is a kind of self centric person...who actually believes she is very worthy...and a  true seer...the irony is that the predictions she made which had acheived the truth...were the ones she was totally unaware of...her pride in herself of being a true seer were based on her knowledge which was actually very fake...LOL she failed to see that the only reason why Dumbledore kept her as a teacher was because of her safety...not because of her talent...Whereas Luna had no such belief..she believed in herself and people alike...she saw goodness and possiblities when there were none.
Luna although had an uncanny ability to speak embarassing truth, but Trewlaney was very selfabsorbed to see that people are hurt because of her...I mean after knowing Harry and his background, which sensitive person would always keep on predicting his death...that was very insensitive of her ... though she provided the comic relief in the books, it doesnot come out as a good thing, given Harry and his tragedies...

Mcgonall on the other hand was very protective of Harry and always tried protecting her...even believing him when his reasonings went against her own ground rules...like she believed him when he said that he had seen the attack on Arthur Weasley in his dreams...even though it was highly improbable (which later on turned out to be the truth!) ...may be because she was knowing about the Order of the Phoenix..but still...she was there ..when Harry needed the protection..even in Deathly Hallows..she took to fighting Snape...to protect Harry...

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Posted: 23 December 2012 at 1:47am | IP Logged
Originally posted by abavi

This is something that I have noticed throughout the books..
 A lot of times Ron would say things just like that and it would actually end up to be true...
may be JKR wanted to give us indications of what she had planned for later and she used Ron for that... very intriguing and interesting!


@Abavi...Ron was always hiddenly talented seerLOL his mutterings and retorts were exemplaryLOL

I just found this on FB...interesting ...Goes in sync with what you are saying...


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Posted: 23 December 2012 at 2:29am | IP Logged
Though the whole cast of HP was the most PERFECT cast ensemble...Be it the golden trio or Dumbledore or Minerva Mcgonall or Snape ...anybody...I still would say Alan Rickman and Rupert Grint were some who WERE the character...

May be I am partial...but when I read the books I actually IMAGINE Rupert's face saying the dialogues or doing whatever Ron does in the book..even though the same are not in the movie...I mean the sarcasti Harry was not in the movie...So Dan doesnot pop up in my imagination when Harry is taunting Dudley...Hermione though perfect in form of Emma Watson...has her absences too...
But Rupert infalliably  does that ... and eventhough in movies, they had mashed up quite much...still he does remain to be consistent...

Except this ONE scene...the end hug between Harry and Hermione...when Harry tells them he is going to the forest...Though the hug was not in the book..I do feel it was in perfect sync in the characters of Harry and Hermione...Hermione would have known about .or atleast have a niggling doubt about Harry being the Horcrux...

But they made Ron stand like a dump there...It was really weird...when he sees harry leaving he says 'We thought you you had gone to the forest' Shocked
OUIII...??????? how come...I mean you knew your best friend had gone to sacrifice himself and you are sitting there with you other best friend doing nothing?? Is that the Ron and Hermione we know??

And then he just stands there when Hermione offers to go with Harry...and hugs him...he watches on...WHAT WAS THAT??? that was one moment I could not connect with Ron...never will...

There are quite a few moments like that in other characters..Like how Dumbledore ATTACKED Harry in GOF...where as in books is asks him calmly whether it was he who had put his name in the GOF... in the movie he actually man handles himConfused Dmbledore the epitome of politeness does that!!!

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Posted: 23 December 2012 at 3:11am | IP Logged
So since I am on the movie/books rant...
Just thought this one...
There is always something which is better in the books than in the movies (my POV)..everything was more explicit ...the time bounden movies could not explore that much...The maruaders...Spew, Peeves...amany things..

Even the characters came out more clearly in the books...except one...

I mean JK described her beautifully ...or rather...horrifically...she excelled in movies...

And that character is Madame Undersecretary Doleres Umbridge!

(Again courtesy Facebook)
My favourite colour pink is not so favourite anymore...I mean her 'I want order' ...and her 'Hem hem' redefined themselves...
You wanted to kill her yourself and wanted her dead more than Voldemort...you could actually identify with Hermione swearing because of her...and I think the actress was so so GOOD!!!



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Posted: 23 December 2012 at 7:43pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by -Srushti-

Originally posted by abavi

This is something that I have noticed throughout the books..
 A lot of times Ron would say things just like that and it would actually end up to be true...
may be JKR wanted to give us indications of what she had planned for later and she used Ron for that... very intriguing and interesting!


@Abavi...Ron was always hiddenly talented seerLOL his mutterings and retorts were exemplaryLOL

I just found this on FB...interesting ...Goes in sync with what you are saying...


haha.. But seriously, I wouldnt say Ron as a seer, but he was definetely very humorous guy... seeing that a serious person like hermione fell for him na... LOL
There are a lot of things that I noticed about his fluke predictions (not exactly, But I don't know a better word) across the books... I dont remember them now.. may be you can also share if there are other mutterings of him which came true... those things which I have not listed?

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Posted: 24 December 2012 at 9:38pm | IP Logged
@Abavi...The best of Ron's Seer abilitiesTongue were in Fourth year when they were making up all kind of tragedies for Divination homework...When  they were  making up their predictions for Divination, Ron suggests that Harry put down that he'll get stabbed in the back by someone he thought was a friend, then Ron himself writes down that he'll come off the worst in a fight. Harry DOES, indeed, get stabbed in the back by Ron (albeit not badly) not long after, and one could argue that Ron came off worse in their fight because all it accomplished was making Ron realized what an idiot he was in the end. Ron then accidentally puts himself as drowning twice in his predictions, and while Ron doesn't really drown, the first drowning could be symbolic of his "drowning" in jealousy over Harry, leading to their fight. The second obviously symbolizes the second Triwizard task.

So he is a Seer...LOL an excellent on tooLOL

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Posted: 31 December 2012 at 10:21pm | IP Logged
awesome thread dear and i agree with all the posts of everyone...

i am always thinking 
1] why isn't the rural life of magic people was never explored..
i mean Ottery St.Catchpole was a wizarding village...

2] and also that voldemort and Harry are relativesConfused dhoor ke rishtedaarShocked

3] and also Aberforth although detested his brother was very very loyal to him ...how could detest and loyalty be togather?? even in snape 's case it was same...

4]and Rowling said she wanted to repeat the pattern..hence teddy lost his parents and had a god father in harry...just like harry had lost his parents had sirius as god father...
so does that mean Harry was supposed to die like sirius too?

5] i also wanted to know the courses offered post O.W.L...and more details about N.E.W.T...i mean O.W.L was kept in spotlight a bit...but not so for N.E.W.Ts...

6] and finally i really wanna know what student's wrote in all those "rolls" of parchments for essays...


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