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Posted: 17 December 2012 at 8:58pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by UnsolvedMystery

Originally posted by Aya.

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Originally posted by Beyond_the_Veil

Originally posted by Aya.

To me, the word terrorist means killing innocent people. Adam Lanza is one. Simple.


Which means you are just misusing one world for the other. Like someone drawing a three-sided figure and then calling it a square.
Terrorism means to use terror and violence (usually bombing, murder, etc) as a mean of coercion, especially for political gains. A serial killer or psychopath or cannibal murdering  still won't make him a terrorist unless he was trying to gain some political power by causing terror or had some religious motives etc.
On the other hand a terrorist may even cause terror without killing (eg. by destroying property).

ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL 

Again, terrorism means killing innocent people ! There can be a million reasons for it. It can be personal enjoyment, grudge, or even political gains as you've mentioned. The word isn't strictly limited to just politics. So yes, if he does murder hundreds of people for his own gratification, he is a terrorist. Even an elementary kid can understand this.

We all know why Adam Lanza isn't called a terrorist. 

I'm sure if it was an Arab/Muslims guy, the word terrorist would have been all over the news.

So, save it !
If we go by your school of thought then every murderer would be be terriorist.
 

& what is the damn difference between a damn murderer & a terrorist ?! Huh ?! Both create fear & both kill innocent people for whatever stupid reason ! It's as simple as that ! Different words same meanings ! Blah blah blah ! 
I believe you have read the comments posted before. if not  check them out ,,you will get the answer.

No need. I already have the answer. There is no difference. 

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Terrorists are starting to get worried coz Some of americans have now started to steal their jobs ApproveLOL

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Posted: 17 December 2012 at 10:26pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by Aya.

& what is the damn difference between a damn murderer & a terrorist ?! Huh ?! Both create fear & both kill innocent people for whatever stupid reason ! It's as simple as that ! Different words same meanings ! Blah blah blah ! 


The neighbors wife shot him because he was cheating. I'm not afraid of her.
The venture capitalist had the accountant killed because he knew too much. I'm not afraid of him.
A knife fight broke out in the school yard between two gangs. One died. I'm not afraid of them.

Each of these cases is an isolated incident. There is no cause for endless killing. A whole community, a whole slew of innocent people is not held hostage. It does not spread fear that it may happen to you the next day. There is no agenda. There is no ideology.

I hope you see the difference between a murderer and a terrorist. Murdering, that is killing people is a broad category. Serial killers, terrorists, psychopaths are just different subsets. There are distinctions for a reason.

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Pro Gun, Pro Gun Control, Pro Terrorist, Pro Pyscho ,Pro Life, Pro Choice, Pro This, Pro That, ...How about Pro Common Sense?    Confused

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Posted: 18 December 2012 at 2:20pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by Aya.


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I must have missed the joke, but anyway, I will continue.

Originally posted by Aya.

Again, terrorism means killing innocent people !


Not really. Yes forming definition is sometimes difficult, but yes, it more often than not involves the killing of innocent people. Terrorism, however, strictly speaking means to cause terror (mostly through murder, violence and damaging property).


Originally posted by Aya.

There can be a million reasons for it. It can be personal enjoyment, grudge, or even political gains as you've mentioned.


Terrorism is causing terror AS A MEAN OF COERCION. The motive is to gain something by terrorizing people and property. It's mostly planned and executed by a group and has a larger intent than just gain personal gratification - mostly religious, political, ideological means. This is one of the most popularly accepted definition of terrorism.

Murder is the simple act of killing that is unjustifiable. There are many, many subsets of murder.

A woman murdering her cheater husband in rage is "murder" (manslaughter but still) but it doesn't fit into the description of terrorism because she is not terrorizing anybody to gain something by causing that terror. The only gain maybe personal gratification, but she's certainly not gaining anything beyond that.
Like she's not saying "I have murdered my husband, now if you don't give me this information / bring this desired change / give us this - I am going to kill more". She's just done it. Even if it was planned there was no more motive behind it beyond personal gratification - certainly no political or ideological motive.

A man terrorizing the government and the country by holding a thousand people at gunpoint WITHOUT causing any actual murder will still be terrorism because he's gaining something by coercing people through the act of causing terror.
Here the act of terror wasn't just caused to bring pain to the victims - but rather to gain something by emotionally blackmailing people through that. There is, therefore, a bigger purpose than just gratifying personal needs here.

Of course there are blurry areas that can be debated upon but it still  does not make them absolutely the same thing. You can question whether this man deserves to be called terrorist, his intent, you can say that there is no 100% clear-cut definition of terrorism etc, but imo it's ridiculous to assume that just because someone is a killer, it mean he can be called a terrorist. There are differences, or else why would there be two words for the same thing?

Originally posted by Aya.

The word isn't strictly limited to just politics.


Well no...it isn't. Right. I wouldn't disagree here.

Originally posted by Aya.

So yes, if he does murder 
hundreds of people for his own gratification, he is a terrorist.


Well this is logically  consistent to what you've previously said, but I'm afraid your initial assumption that both are one and the same is not a given here.


Originally posted by Aya.

Even an elementary kid can understand this.


Yeah, I haven't passed elementary school yet, I think. Failed it when my teacher asked me to define terrorist and I gave the dictionary definition of the word instead of making a random definition out of it.


Originally posted by Aya.

We all know why Adam Lanza isn't called a terrorist.


Yes because he most likely does not fit into the category of one. Much in the same way a necrophile or cannibal may not be a murderer despite their death fetishes.


Originally posted by Aya.

I'm sure if it was an Arab/Muslims guy, the word terrorist would have been all over the news.


This is neither here nor there. That you needed to bring Islam into a discussion that does not have anything directly to do with it shows that you aren't being entirely objective about this discussion.

Originally posted by Aya.

So, save it !


Save what? It's incredibly difficult to talk with someone when they start lashing out at you even before even trying to understand what the other person is saying. Ouch


Edited by Beyond_the_Veil - 18 December 2012 at 2:44pm

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Posted: 18 December 2012 at 3:02pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by Aya.

& what is the damn difference between a damn murderer & a terrorist ?! Huh ?! Both create fear & both kill innocent people for whatever stupid reason ! It's as simple as that ! Different words same meanings ! Blah blah blah ! 


And what are the differences between a murderer and a cannibal and a necrophile and a serial killer and a psychopath etc? They all mostly do the same thing but are they ONE and the SAME? Should everyone of those be categorized under the same section?

Btw a single serial killer who's killed dozens of people may be worse than a terrorist who hasn't yet done anything so vile.

Please don't think we are justifying the action of Adam Lanza just because we don't consider him terrorist (and I think I need to research more in this regard).


Edited by Beyond_the_Veil - 18 December 2012 at 3:01pm

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Posted: 19 December 2012 at 12:42pm | IP Logged
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First of all, I didn't involve Islam/religion. I said Arab/Muslim guy. What ? You can't tell the difference between race & religion now ?

For God's sake ! We are not talking about one person being killed. We are talking about Adam killing 20 innocent CHILDREN & 7 adults ! He shot them all at once. Not just with one bullet, but with 2 to 3 bullets. A serial killer is someone who kills one person at a time while a terrorist destroys a bunch of people in one place at one time. The entire school is involved in this. He didn't just kill innocent people. He DESTROYED 27 families ! He put fear in teachers, parents, schools, & kids now. All those people that survived are frightened, especially the kids. Nobody knows what his motive was or what he was trying to gain. He didn't even leave a single clue behind. They haven't even talked about the type of drugs he was on. I don't believe half of what the media says. Was he really "sick" like they say he was ? I've been studying this case & the whole story is just messed up & doesn't get in the head. First, they say his mother used to work at Sandy Hook & next thing they say, she never worked there. So, am I suppose to believe that he really was "sick." Nahh. The only thing they keep on talking about is those stupid violent video games & that he was a loner, shy, quiet, awkward kid. But just because someone is quiet, shy, & awkward, it doesn't mean he/she is sick or has issues. 

Btw, the English language changes all the time. One word can mean so many things. Two words can also mean the same thing. 


Edited by Aya. - 19 December 2012 at 12:49pm

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