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My dear Abhi,

I hope that when you say ".i have learned long ago that reason is not automatic those who deny it can't be concquered by it.." you do not mean that it is
I who am chronically unreasonable, and that you are the voice of reason failing to conquer me, for that would be unkind, especially seeing all the nice things I have been saying  about your writing (though I did mean all of them)!Wink

I now see where all this impassioned defence of Soham/Vishnu is coming from, when you note that "maybe i am just bias because i am big Ankit fan...my brains stop working when i see him.."
Wink. If that is so, dear heart, all is forgiven!WinkWink

You are now officially free to dig as deep down as you like to find his virtues, of which probably the only one I would admit is that he loves his
mayee, truly, deeply, totally. To her he is completely and unshakeably true, which is why he will not lie to her or fail to do anything he has promised her.He returns the Ganesha necklace not because "deep down he knows he has made a mistake", for when he was stealing it, he did it with every evidence of enjoyment, but ONLY because he realises that this is a transgression even his indulgent mayee  will not excuse. But then, you know, Abhi, even a serial killer might truly love his mother - remember Psycho?

Yes, and he does not lack for courage, and he is good to accident victims, and also  perhaps will beat up boys who throw stones at poor stray dogs. But none of this is enough to salvage a willing kidnapper.

I would have been prepared to happily join you and embrace Soham/Vishnu (figuratively, of course, for despite his cheeky charm, he is too grubby for me!) along with you if he had been a jewel thief or a conman
( though at times the financially ruined victims of a conman commit suicide. Now would you say that was murder at one remove?), but NOT a serial kidnapper. Please don't repeat, like Purvi, that he fed her and prevented his cohorts from slapping her silly. What he actually says then is "Why are you slapping 3 crores? Her father is paying, after all!  If Manav Deshmukh had refused to pay, then I myself would have said: Put a bullet thru her head.". This part of the conversation was carefully edited out in Purvi's flashbacks, but I saw the original telecast and I remember it very clearly.

My dear Abhi, do you have any idea what a kidnapping is like in real life? The extraction of large amounts of money from people under threat of the killing of a loved one is only one (criminal) part of it. But it does not always end nicely and neatly with the family paying up and the victim being released. Even then, have you any idea of the torments the family goes thru? And very often kidnappings end in murder, when things go wrong and the kidnappers want to get rid of the witness who can identify them.


One should not trivialise such a serious  crime as if it was like pickpocketing or boyish hijinks
. What if Vishnu, who is so trigger happy, had killed a couple of kidnappees whose families could not pay up? Or if one of your loved ones had been at the receiving end? Would you still be as prepared to talk of  the redeeming  power of love? If you can honestly say yes, then you are on the way to sainthood, and I withdraw in good order, and you can happily plan to reform Vishnu.

Never mind, your Ankit will emerge nice and clean in due course, with the only disappointed one being Balan. I was in stitches when Archana was lecturing him yesterday her (unpainted this time!) nail pointed at him, that the saddest thing for a father would be to see his son go to jail.That is the best joke that I have heard in PR in  a long time.
Balan, who has spent his whole life in and out of jail, must be seeing a sentence for Vishnu as a much needed part of his training!

As for Purvi, she makes me feel queasy these days whenever she is on screen do-gooding with a vengeance. So
uske bare me to mujhe baksh hi do, please!

No dear, this is it. No more of the treadmill, and that I spent so much time on this exchange despite my  wonky wrist is proof of what a temptress you are! This has been a lot of fun, but it  is precisely the sort of thing that made it go wonky in the first place.

So adios, and take care. Do give some serious thought to the folly of the CVs in trivialising kidnapping. It is a crime to do so, no matter how appealing the kidnapper might be to young ladies, and I do NOT care how many other virtues he has, hidden or apparent. They should have shown him doing something else, something lighter, in the way of misdeeds. Then I too would have been as ready as you to dig to kingdom come to find his virtues. Not now. You, my dear, are of course free to follow your heart!

Shyamala  B.Cowsik

[QUOTE=arjunaluis]

Thank you for thinking that i am very persuasive young lady...i am glad that i can make you agree with one of the three...Big smile ok to the other two, maybe due to my sleepy mode yesterday i didn't real get what you were saying...deepavali has made me exhausted so does the time difference...LOL

yes i agree to the moral compass...and yes i agree with you that he loves kidnapping, he feels that it is fun...but i wouldn't say that he is all evil, maybe unlike manav he wouldn't be all straight he might bribe to win deals and use cheap materials in buildings but i also wouldn't say he is all bad...to me, he falls in the dark grey character then all black...he was the first to run to archana and help her out at that time he didn't know who it was all he wanted to do was help them someone who is a hardbone criminal like balan who cut the wires in the first place will happily stand aside and watch the fun..even his group members watch and was relunctant to help in the first place...so, why did he run to help?
also after stealing the necklace from ganesha, when his mother scolded him he went to the police station to return it, if his moral compass was not in the right place, he wouldn't care what his mother said, he would have given her fake promises that next time he wouldn't do it and sold the necklace and enjoyed the money...his guilt is not because his mother was crying it is because deep down he knows he has made a mistake..

and now coming to purvi and him, the time he kidnapped her he had no need to reassure her that she will be save with him, yes he his a thug and shot arjun...if he is a bad ass why make sure Purvi is not harmed by his group members, why give her food-if you kidnapped someone for money and know tom u are going to get that money why should you care if they ate or not? you have given them food, that is enough whether they ate or not wouldn't be a problem to any hard criminals...also, if he can stop smoking and drinking because he promised his mother, he can be changed by her promise too but Varsha is making things worse by lying to him..Varsha on the other hand i agree her moral compass in not in order...she could never keep a promise like Soham can..all she did was break her promise she made to Sulo while Soham keeps his promise, this shows that some what he deserves a second chance...

I am not saying that he is all good and doesn't deserve to be punish, yes he deserves to be punish and u are right he should get 5 years, one year is to little...he deserves to be punish but he also deserves to get his parents love because love can change someone who is dark grey to a little grey...yes, i am hopeless and believe love can change someone like soham but i am not that hopeless to believe it can change someone like Balan...maybe i am just bias because i
am big Ankit fan...my brains stop working when i see him..LOLEmbarrassed

do come on the treadmill again, this has been serious fun for me...Big smile though i am sure i can't change you in soham part...i have learned long ago that reason is not automatic those who deny it can't be concquered by it...but i agree with moral compass plays as big a part as upbringing, (it will be foolish of me to think that upbringing is everything) this can be seen in the twins..tej and ovi are the best example, they had the same upbringing though Ovi was spoilt more by Manav, but her moral compass is only on herself (she has blackmailed purvi- i am very sure that this isn't in Manav's sanskaar but it might have been brought down by Savita) while Tej cares about everyone..let's not go there, let's stay with Soham and Purvi...
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[QUOTE=sashashyam]My dear Abhi,

As I said earlier, you are a very persuasive young lady and I would agree with your explanation wrt
@red.

But as regards the @green and the @blue, I think I have not made myself clear enough, and so you have not quite grasped what I was getting at. Let me take the @green first, about the moral compass.

Firstly, while one can safely say that Soham would have been better brought up  with Archana-Manav that with Varsha and Balan , it does not follow that he would have been at all a  moral person. He is ruthless, and he chilled me to the bone during the kidnapping, with the mercurial switches between bonhomie and snarling menace. That is his inner nature, not just the result of a bad upbringing. How many criminals does one read about daily who come from affluent homes? And also remember the example of Varsha's sanskaari parvarish; what did it do for her?

Now, Abhi, have you seen the Godfather? The younger son of the Mafia family there, Michael Corleone, totally refuses to enter the family business, even to please his father whom he loves very much, for his moral compass is sound. He is forced into it later by brutal circumstances. If Soham has all these (as yet hidden) virtues, how  is it that he takes to crime with such glee and has not the slightest regrets for what he inflicts on his kidnap victims? I do not buy what you say @green, he is an adult, not a 6 year old. and he LIKES a life of crime, don't you see?

Then again, education is not all it is cracked up to be in respect of teaching you good morals. Educated criminals are much cleverer and far more difficult to catch, that is all. Incidentally, Varsha is very well educated, and yet she never had any sense of right and wrong!

If Soham had been a businessman, he would have been equally brutal and ruthless, crushing competitors, except that he would not have gone to jail unless he had overreached himself and got caught. And unless of course our Archana Jr, Purvi had reformed him as she has reformed the big, bad Arjun Kirloskar. Wink

Again, wrt @blue, I  think you are on a different tack. What I meant was that Purvi and Archana cannot argue that Vishnu is somehow less culpable because he did not know that he was planning to kidnap not a stranger but his father and ended up kidnapping not just any girl but his 'sister;.  This would mean that they would have no problem if he kidnapped any number of non-family members! 

Theirs is a ridiculous argument that they keep trotting out without being pulled up by anyone at all. A serious crime is a serious crime, Abhi, and it is just as culpable when it is committed by Archana's son against any number of strangers (remember Balan praising Vishnu for having earned crores for him, against which the 25 lakhs he loses in the bungled Rahim Khan kidnapping was, he says, nothing at all).

Vishnu is no misled fledgling in crime; he is a pro who is highly rated in those circles, which is why that Tiwari chooses him to be his bahubali. It is not a question of  a father or a mother being more or less forgiving. The point is that Vishnu  is a regular kidnapper, and one who is spreading his wings to Mumbai and elsewhere in the country. He is thus a menace to society, no matter how cute he was as a baby, and he should NOT be forgiven at all, but should punished according to the law for ALL his crimes. Not that this is going to happen, of course!

This apart, I year for a kidnapping is ridiculous. In real life, it would be 5 to 10 years. Not that it matters, seeing how much of a farce the 'trial' was. Balaji are constantly breaking their own records for showing such travesties of the judicial process. Probably it was one year to fit in with a one year leap.

Oh dear, Abhi, see what you have made me do - get back on the same old treadmill that I had stepped off! Well, I am stepping off it again, but you carry on, my dear, and have fun.Never fear, Soham will become as white as driven snow in due course, and Purvi's halo will get an extra coat of gold. They are just waiting for her pedestal to be ready, one that will be only slightly smaller than Archana's.

Shyamala B.Cowsik






Edited by sashashyam - 16 November 2012 at 3:15am

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My dear Abhi,

I hope that when you say ".i have learned long ago that reason is not automatic those who deny it can't be concquered by it.." you do not mean that it is
I who am chronically unreasonable, and that you are the voice of reason failing to conquer me, for that would be unkind, especially seeing all the nice things I have been saying  about your writing (though I did mean all of them)!Wink

I now see where all this impassioned defence of Soham/Vishnu is coming from, when you note that "maybe i am just bias because i am big Ankit fan...my brains stop working when i see him.."
Wink. If that is so, dear heart, all is forgiven!WinkWink

You are now officially free to dig as deep down as you like to find his virtues, of which probably the only one I would admit is that he loves his
mayee, truly, deeply, totally. To her he is completely and unshakeably true, which is why he will not lie to her or fail to do anything he has promised her.He returns the Ganesha necklace not because "deep down he knows he has made a mistake", for when he was stealing it, he did it with every evidence of enjoyment, but ONLY because he realises that this is a transgression even his indulgent mayee  will not excuse. But then, you know, Abhi, even a serial killer might truly love his mother - remember Psycho?

Yes, and he does not lack for courage, and he is good to accident victims, and also  perhaps will beat up boys who throw stones at poor stray dogs. But none of this is enough to salvage a willing kidnapper.

I would have been prepared to happily join you and embrace Soham/Vishnu (figuratively, of course, for despite his cheeky charm, he is too grubby for me!) along with you if he had been a jewel thief or a conman
( though at times the financially ruined victims of a conman commit suicide. Now would you say that was murder at one remove?), but NOT a serial kidnapper. Please don't repeat, like Purvi, that he fed her and prevented his cohorts from slapping her silly. What he actually says then is "Why are you slapping 3 crores? Her father is paying, after all!  If Manav Deshmukh had refused to pay, then I myself would have said: Put a bullet thru her head.". This part of the conversation was carefully edited out in Purvi's flashbacks, but I saw the original telecast and I remember it very clearly.

My dear Abhi, do you have any idea what a kidnapping is like in real life? The extraction of large amounts of money from people under threat of the killing of a loved one is only one (criminal) part of it. But it does not always end nicely and neatly with the family paying up and the victim being released. Even then, have you any idea of the torments the family goes thru? And very often kidnappings end in murder, when things go wrong and the kidnappers want to get rid of the witness who can identify them.


One should not trivialise such a serious  crime as if it was like pickpocketing or boyish hijinks
. What if Vishnu, who is so trigger happy, had killed a couple of kidnappees whose families could not pay up? Or if one of your loved ones had been at the receiving end? Would you still be as prepared to talk of  the redeeming  power of love? If you can honestly say yes, then you are on the way to sainthood, and I withdraw in good order, and you can happily plan to reform Vishnu.

Never mind, your Ankit will emerge nice and clean in due course, with the only disappointed one being Balan. I was in stitches when Archana was lecturing him yesterday her (unpainted this time!) nail pointed at him, that the saddest thing for a father would be to see his son go to jail.That is the best joke that I have heard in PR in  a long time.
Balan, who has spent his whole life in and out of jail, must be seeing a sentence for Vishnu as a much needed part of his training!

As for Purvi, she makes me feel queasy these days whenever she is on screen do-gooding with a vengeance. So
uske bare me to mujhe baksh hi do, please!

No dear, this is it. No more of the treadmill, and that I spent so much time on this exchange despite my  wonky wrist is proof of what a temptress you are! This has been a lot of fun, but it  is precisely the sort of thing that made it go wonky in the first place.

So adios, and take care. Do give some serious thought to the folly of the CVs in trivialising kidnapping. It is a crime to do so, no matter how appealing the kidnapper might be to young ladies, and I do NOT care how many other virtues he has, hidden or apparent. They should have shown him doing something else, something lighter, in the way of misdeeds. Then I too would have been as ready as you to dig to kingdom come to find his virtues. Not now. You, my dear, are of course free to follow your heart!

Shyamala  B.Cowsik

[QUOTE=arjunaluis]


Dear Shyamala,

Good God, there is no way that i think that i am the voice of reason - that would never happen...first of all, a voice of reason would never ever support a kidnapper in reality...in this situation i would say that you are the voice of reason and that i am being unreasonable...i know that supporting Soham is wrong and in reality i would mostly likely punch him if he ever kidnapped anyone from my family..but like i said my brains do stop working when i see Ankit - in reality it would work extra as i would try and make sure i always have my eyes on him, to make sure i know what he is up to...

but i can't stop feeling that he deserves a second chance and that he would have a better life with Arman..i still believe he wouldn't have gone this part but now i have to say that my believe system has shaken a bit..ok, who am i kidding a lot LOLLOL after reading your post...and i do believe with his love for his mother if he had a different father like Satish he still wouldn't be so evil...but u are right there are serial killer than do still love their mother...

I have to say, i am glad to have chatted with u, u have opened my eyes and i thank you for that...i really hope that u wrist gets better...Big smile take care and hope to chat with u on other post soon...take care again and hopefully you do get better soon...Big smile


Edited by arjunaluis - 16 November 2012 at 7:57am

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The answer is simple..

Because she is so mahaan and put family first.
Forget about soham dada..
She even call balan the chief gunda as balan kaka..
What a nice and polite girl she is...


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Posted: 16 November 2012 at 8:18pm | IP Logged
Beautiful post, Abi. Soham is a believable character and brings a modicum of sense to an otherwise gone haywire story, he certainly deserves a second chance, it was not his fault that he was kidnapped, nor was it his fault that Varsha started to cohabit with a goon like Balan. Purvi wanting to save him might also stem from another movie, she knows her Aai wants Soham to return to the family fold and to Purvi what Aai wants, Aai has to get. Simple rule the girl lives by, even if it means ruining her own life.

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