Posted: 13 November 2012 at 5:53am | IP Logged
Originally posted by mnx12
Samudra Manthan is a very big event that happened in Puranas with contribution of Tridevas, Devas & Asuras. This entire incident shows on first thought, that Asuras were cheated. Some say asuras wprked hard but didn't get anything.
Asuras did get something.
Here Samudra Manthan is shown from Shivji's pov but Vishnuji has a major role to play.
Why Tridevs didn't help Asuras ? Let's see.
Shivji by drinking Halahal helped everyone including Devas, Asuras, Animals, Humans, the entire World.
As far as Vishnuji is concerned, he took Kurma avatar, held Mandar paravt during the entire churning, that itself is a big contribution. He got Lakshmiji back, so did the entire World.
Bali was a good king, but all other Asuras were not. had they become immortal, then this World would have been different. Asuras have a tendancy of misusing their power after getting a boon, for their tough penance. The World would have been different if along with good Asura like Bali others with Asuri vrittis would have become immortal.
Simillarly all the Devas are not perfect. Devraj Indra, is portrayed badly in this show, the real one was better then this one. The Devas like Indra, Agnidev, Vayudev etc are performing significant duties in this World since beginning, why any Asura is not given any important duty like Devas?
May be the reason, why Devas were given Amrit lies in the above mentioned fact. To retain balance of Brhmaji's creation, for which Aadi shakti was seperated form Shivji' Ardhnarishwar form many years back & it took her lots of efforts to unite back with him. To retain all the good things may be it was necessary that Asuras should not be immortal or after becoming immortal they might destroy all good things, even no one will listen to the Tridevs.
Devas, Indra are controllable by Tridevas upto certain extent but not all the Asuras. Would other asuras have listened to Bali to follow path of Dharma after being immortal? Higly doubtful.
Every thing is not so Black and white as it seems, i would rather see it in a Historical perspective
rather than an out and out mythology.
every myth or legend has its base at least on iota of History
Devas and Asuras were not some separate beings as being projected neither are they immortal
all of them were humans albeit with different personalities.
we can look at it this way
1) Devas were kind of settled civilization who were well versed in the
art of building, wealth generation, trade and other forms of craft. In
short they were economically a wealth creators hence their realm was
known as swarga or abode of happiness with attributes like kamadhenu and
kalpa vriksha which meant all of the wants of the citizenry was taken
care off. Hence people would want to live in swarga and hence the
inducement that if you are good in this life may be you'll born in land
called swarga. In fact swarga might be the wealthiest of all the human
kingdoms at that time. Since they were the dominant culture with respect
to cultural aspect their notions of divinity " the Five Elements
endured over time" and exist till today. Vishnu existence always
depended on success of devas and for all practical purposes Vishnu is a
derivative of Indra as we see the development of Vishnu as a deity.
Obviously some treachery has been conceived and committed by devas while warring the asurs
this has been justified by saying that asurs are demonic and don't
prescribe their culture. However the point remains how are devas
legitimized to pass a judgement on asurs who had an effective counter
culture as their success against devas shows.
2) on the other hand asurs were not settled civilization and specialized
in gathering the bounty and living off on raids, tributes and wealth
gathering. In short a society built on dominance like the horse archers
of the middle ages or huns of early middle ages. So face on face devas
were no match for asurs as devas did many other things than just fight
while asurs specialized and concentrated only on their prowess of war.
Devas always committed some sort of treachery or intellectual maneuver
to outflank asurs. Asurs could not completely wipe out devas because
they were sustained by wealth creation of devas. at the most they laid
tributes and put some humiliating terms. just like moghuls could not
finish off hindu culture as hindus were wealth creators.
so to put it in right perspective agni vayu varuna indra surya and other
deities were only performing world duties according to daivic version of seeing this world. asurs simply did not accept this view point and had their own way of seeing things.
samuthra manthan might have been and historical event which tilted balance of power towards
devatas based on some treachery which is now attributed to vishnu. so
the justification that world would have been destroyed by asurs had they
been given amrit etc etc is quite shallow and doesn't really make sense
fact of matter is devatas won and we always see winners version in scriptures and puranas which might only be a half truth