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Moral of Samudra Manthan..Picture @ page 2 (Page 3)

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Posted: 12 November 2012 at 9:47pm | IP Logged
thnx for the pics...
 
CVs need to do something about Indra, sorry to say but its kind of getting annoying with his arrogance and ego. I m sure the real god Indra isn't like that at all or else he wouldn't be the king ... I guess I don't like Indra's portrayal becuase I LOVE rain & he's the god of rain LOL...probably not the right reason...lol
 
 
I have to agree, Bali does seem better compared to Indra...
 

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Posted: 13 November 2012 at 12:23am | IP Logged
Originally posted by mnx12

Vishnuji is in his Tortoise incarnation- Kurma Avatar, under the mount Mandar. How can he be on top too? Asuras are holding the head side of Vasuki naag & Devatas tail side in the pic.
A very good statue, thanks for the pics.


The turtle is under the mandar according to myth but here it is not shown. I am not sure if the one is Vishnu but who can be other than him? 

I actually did not know about Samudra Manthan when I visited Bangkok. I thought it was a Buddist ritual. I clicked somes photos with Vasuki's 5 heads.  After DKDM, I knew It was this Samudra Manthan.  
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Posted: 13 November 2012 at 2:16am | IP Logged
Originally posted by samana17

To say the truth, Indra seems to be under bad light throughout the mythos. Isn't he the god who makes rain?
We have indrajatra every year celebrated by the newari society.
Though it was unfair for the asurs in the case of samundra manthan. But god knows what the asurs could hav done if the amrit had been given to them. Lol.

If Vishnu had issues w/ the asuras having amrit, fine, but then, it was unethical of him to get the devas to invite the asuras to help them do the manthan simply b'cos they were incapable of doing it on their own.  It would be like me inviting various groups of friends - personal friends, colleagues, relatives, old schoolmates, et al to a party, have them all help set it up, and then decide that one group of them doesn't deserve to have the cake.  If I think that, then the right thing to do is not invite that particular group in the first place.

On a different note, thinking about it some, I just don't think the Bali of Kurma avatar is the same as Bali of Vamana avatar, as mentioned in the SB narrative.  For one thing, I go by the Dashavatar theory and that too chronologically - M, K, V, N, V, P,... and not by SB's 22 avatar theory, where Vyasa rather narcissistically makes himself one of the avatars.  Also, it defies logic and makes Vishnu schizophrenic to suggest that he had issue w/ Bali getting the amrit in the samudra manthan episode, but no issue making Bali immortal after the Vamana episode.  I therefore can only conclude that Bali being a common enough name at the time, the 2 Balis were different, and that Vishnu had issues w/ one of them, but not the other.

On the issue of Indra, as we've discussed in the past, the Vedic Indra did not have any of the negative attributes that the Puranic Indra had.  However, since all these stories about Narayan or Mahadev are taken from various Puranas, it's somewhat difficult, if not impossible, to show stories about them, and juxtapose them w/ the Vedic, as opposed to the Puranic Indra.

However, in this serial, they are not being true to even Puranic accounts, let alone Vedic, so that's neither here nor there.

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Posted: 13 November 2012 at 2:20am | IP Logged
Originally posted by anu rulz

well Mahadev did say everone will get what they deserve..and if tht iten went to another person, it wud get destroyed...so the items were fairly distributed..bt the Asurs were cheated of the Amrit..of which am sure Mahadev will have an explaination... and i hope its good...coz personally i feel, a pompous idiot like Indra deserves it much lesser thn King Bali...

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Welcome here.  First time I'm seeing you in a mytho discussion.  Actually, this story has been pretty twisted in this serial - samudra manthan was exclusively a Vishnu project, and Vishnu had no qualms about cheating the asuras, whereas Mahadev and Brahma were generally fair.

Mahadev's only role in this story was coming there and having the halahal - after which his role ended.  It's therefore strange to see Samudra Manthan shown in this serial, since Mahadev's was just a cameo appearance.

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Posted: 13 November 2012 at 2:21am | IP Logged
Originally posted by .Vrish.

Originally posted by samana17

To say the truth, Indra seems to be under bad light throughout the mythos. Isn't he the god who makes rain?
We have indrajatra every year celebrated by the newari society.
Though it was unfair for the asurs in the case of samundra manthan. But god knows what the asurs could hav done if the amrit had been given to them. Lol.

If Vishnu had issues w/ the asuras having amrit, fine, but then, it was unethical of him to get the devas to invite the asuras to help them do the manthan simply b'cos they were incapable of doing it on their own.  It would be like me inviting various groups of friends - personal friends, colleagues, relatives, old schoolmates, et al to a party, have them all help set it up, and then decide that one group of them doesn't deserve to have the cake.  If I think that, then the right thing to do is not invite that particular group in the first place.

On a different note, thinking about it some, I just don't think the Bali of Kurma avatar is the same as Bali of Vamana avatar, as mentioned in the SB narrative.  For one thing, I go by the Dashavatar theory and that too chronologically - M, K, V, N, V, P,... and not by SB's 22 avatar theory, where Vyasa rather narcissistically makes himself one of the avatars.  Also, it defies logic and makes Vishnu schizophrenic to suggest that he had issue w/ Bali getting the amrit in the samudra manthan episode, but no issue making Bali immortal after the Vamana episode.  I therefore can only conclude that Bali being a common enough name at the time, the 2 Balis were different, and that Vishnu had issues w/ one of them, but not the other.

On the issue of Indra, as we've discussed in the past, the Vedic Indra did not have any of the negative attributes that the Puranic Indra had.  However, since all these stories about Narayan or Mahadev are taken from various Puranas, it's somewhat difficult, if not impossible, to show stories about them, and juxtapose them w/ the Vedic, as opposed to the Puranic Indra.

However, in this serial, they are not being true to even Puranic accounts, let alone Vedic, so that's neither here nor there.
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Posted: 13 November 2012 at 2:27am | IP Logged
Originally posted by .Reshama.

Originally posted by mnx12

Originally posted by loveprincess143

 
I completely agree with you. What I don't understand is , why did tridev allow such betrayal against asurs. They put in the same efforts as others than why not get equal credit.?
Yes Asuras were cheated as far as getting Amrit is concerned. As a result their enimity continued. 
They did get their share from other things that came out of the Samudra Manthan.
The asurs did their job..why werent getting their reward..for their hard work..

Actually, the asuras passed on everything that came out of the ocean - and only grabbed the amrit once it was available.  The bolded part above is incorrect.

This was a Vishnu project.  Garuda brought Mahendra Parvat, put it in the ocean, it started sinking, Vishnu took Kurma avatar and supported it, Vasuki was used as a rope, w/ the asuras holding the head and the devas the tail.  The churning caused the venom of Vasuki to come out, and hence the Neelkantha episode.

After that, all sorts of things came out, many of which were grabbed by the devas.  The asuras passed on everything and grabbed the amrit, but Vishnu took Mohini roop and cheated them out of it.  The one asura who did get to infiltrate the deva ranks - Rahu - was beheaded - and the asuras discovered their betrayal when it was too late. Angry

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Posted: 13 November 2012 at 2:38am | IP Logged
Originally posted by .Vrish.

Originally posted by .Reshama.

Originally posted by mnx12

Originally posted by loveprincess143

 
I completely agree with you. What I don't understand is , why did tridev allow such betrayal against asurs. They put in the same efforts as others than why not get equal credit.?
Yes Asuras were cheated as far as getting Amrit is concerned. As a result their enimity continued. 
They did get their share from other things that came out of the Samudra Manthan.
The asurs did their job..why werent getting their reward..for their hard work..

Actually, the asuras passed on everything that came out of the ocean - and only grabbed the amrit once it was available.  The bolded part above is incorrect.

This was a Vishnu project.  Garuda brought Mahendra Parvat, put it in the ocean, it started sinking, Vishnu took Kurma avatar and supported it, Vasuki was used as a rope, w/ the asuras holding the head and the devas the tail.  The churning caused the venom of Vasuki to come out, and hence the Neelkantha episode.

After that, all sorts of things came out, many of which were grabbed by the devas.  The asuras passed on everything and grabbed the amrit, but Vishnu took Mohini roop and cheated them out of it.  The one asura who did get to infiltrate the deva ranks - Rahu - was beheaded - and the asuras discovered their betrayal when it was too late. Angry
Am happy to see u again ..u always have a diffrent point of vieuw of stories. Hope u can answer my next questions too. Thanks in advance..Why Vishnu favored the Devtas most of the times? Why didnt Shiv and Brahmha helped the asurs out..they have been tricked.. Asurs did also the hard work and working from Vasuki's head..i cant believe that all the asur who were present then were evil ..not all asurs were barbarians.

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