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Posted: 10 November 2012 at 3:05pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by -Chandramukhi-

Originally posted by -Xaffron-



Well, it was obvious that Sidhu was talking from a social standpoint. So what's wrong with that? Yes, I do agree that the virtues of grace and modesty apply to men equally, as I would myself detest any male who would come across as clamorous and obnoxious in their physical approach. However, since Sidhu was put on a pedestal by none other Sapna herself, he dared to have the effrontery to say that out loud. Anyway, I don't want to deviate from the topic here. What I feel is, she was called out on by Sidhu, keeping her constant uncivil tantrums that she had been throwing around. I mean, come on, she's had a tiff with almost everyone in the house. Who really was spared under her radar? She isn't a bad person, as she knows what she has to do with her life. I appreciate her for being a self-made individual. But hey, that was her preoperative; that was her call; and those were her efforts. No one gained anything out of her being the way that she is.

The deal is simple -iIf you coexist in a society with people of different backgrounds and dispositions around, it is your tacit responsibility to respect and show humility towards them. You cannot be "yourself" all the time. That is what happened in Sapna's case. I do not appreciate Sidhu for his double-standards either. But honestly speaking, calling him names like coward and what not was very uncalled for. She'd crossed the line there. As for the lajja part, I still feel women shouldn't be offended when associated with it. If at all, women should consider themselves fortunate to have that lajja tag to be majorly associated with them. They should cherish it. It's more or less an honorable title than just a price tag of sorts.

Thank you. Smile




You are pissing me off with your "Thank you" note in the end AngryAngryAngry

This post of yours is more dedicated and analyzed for Siddhu and Sapna. So I am not going to say anything on it, since that isn't the intention of my topic. I had opened the topic to discuss stereotypes beyond that of the show and Sapna, who you think deserved such statement. Your perception end of the day.

As for the bold part, it depends how the tag is used. If it will be used how Siddhu used it, I will dislike it and take every offense out there.


I am sorry. Embarrassed I am sending you my love. HeartEmbarrassed

Many apologies for deviating from the topic (unintentionally, though). Talking of stereotypes, no one should be ground under the whetstones of generalizations and stereotypes.

Men = Macho = Don't cry = Mardaana = Chauvinist = WRONG!

Women = Docile = Crybabies = Weak = Petulant = WRONG!

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Posted: 10 November 2012 at 3:08pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by -Chandramukhi-



So that makes it alright to be used time to time on TV and movies and even on such platform. I don't think so. If that was the case, how are we supposed to move ahead from where we are today. Questioning and modifying or even rejecting such stereotypes makes one bring in the necessary change. Or we might as well be living in the ancient century without any progress in our thought process.


Ah! Now that's a rhetoric in question! Well, in that case, you'd wanna ask (as I'd call them) the societal purists and juries. They'd probably have an answer or two for that one.

Education with enlightenment is the key, perhaps? Smile

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Posted: 10 November 2012 at 3:12pm | IP Logged
I'm glad I was able to make you feel better. LOL

Take care, Chandu.

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Posted: 10 November 2012 at 8:26pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by -Chandramukhi-

Originally posted by scofield

Well I kinda agree the lajja and all that comment was not needed. He could have chosen another word. I mean being someone of his stature when it comes to speeches he definitely could do better. But as far i could see Sidhu mr speaker is always prepared with his answers in his mind; he probably  thought sapna would not bring up that question[after all that hullabaloo and crying after] and when she did he somehow lost his cool.
But I also strongly do believe that it somehow does not mean he had any undertone of sexism or misogyny. 
Regarding to his comments I think we are in times when political correctness is doing exactly opposite of what is supposed to do. 
Women are allowed to say and do certain things but men are not.
Colored people can say stuff to white people but they cant retort back and same goes for straight ppl who can be harassed by LGBT.
Instead of equality we are tilting the scales in opposite direction.

Mostly ppl would disagree with me on this. But I know exactly what i intend to say and I see it everyday on the streets. Affirmative action for one group may also mean apartheid against other.

Reservation is an example..There is many more...
Peace.



For now I am going to disagree you on this, because I do not know what you mean by women are allowed to say and do certain things, but men aren't Confused Same with "straight people can be harassed by LGBT" Confused

So I do not understand your statement "Instead of equality we are tilting the scales in opposite direction" Equality hasn't been even reached so I do not see how the scale in already getting titled in the opposite direction unless you are willing to elaborate more on your POV.
Absolutely chandra you have all right to be. I love healthy discussions and spl. if they might be something id'd disagree on since I could be wrong you know.
I do not intend to say his choice of words was right in any way; i could clearly see it was his ego speaking that time. My response was more off topic in general though. That sometimes the measures that are put in place for equality end up doing the opposite in a long term.
Equality has not been reached yet, will take years to break that barrier. 
Now what i mean is , as an example as my work place there is an openly gay man, which is fine. But he abuses that now because every time we have a valid complaint too; he would use it to be a victim and cry out homophobia.
I mean this could go on and im sure for every case like this there's hundred cases of discrimination against them but i hope you get the idea. If you dont , whoc ares what i think
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Posted: 10 November 2012 at 8:36pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by -Chandramukhi-

Originally posted by scofield

And the words like lajja are very subjective to the listener. For someone it could mean being modest and humble. Most girls and women like to be exactly that regardless of what they chose to wear or how much to wear.

But for some that word could entail, omg he wants us to dress in burqas and stay at home . How dare he, this is 21st century.

I say who cares what who says..embrace yourself the way you are..



@bold: Again you just proved how many people think and assume. Everyone likes to be modest and humble regardless of the gender, how is that even applicable to only girls or women Confused

You did the same what Siddhu did, instead of saying most humans you used most girls or women
See subjective..
I said girls and women because this topic was for lajja and modesty of women so hence i wrote girls and women..Had it been a wider case of all genders i would have definitely used humans 
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Posted: 10 November 2012 at 8:39pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by Dexterkilaila

Originally posted by estel

Originally posted by scofield

And the words like lajja are very subjective to the listener. For someone it could mean being modest and humble. Most girls and women like to be exactly that regardless of what they chose to wear or how much to wear.

But for some that word could entail, omg he wants us to dress in burqas and stay at home . How dare he, this is 21st century.

I say who cares what who says..embrace yourself the way you are..



Agreed. It is subjective.

But since he is 47 years old I am convinced his definition of lajja is different.



And the fact that he chose Aashka and delnaz over his self-confessed chahitees Sapna and Urvashi shows that the use of lajja for women was a premeditated thought. Sleepy
I agree and have time again said that he should have used those words at all. Specially sidhu who we all know has excellent command and vocabulary of the language. It was sidhu's ego on fire that time coz sapna had again questioned him.


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