Lajja = Modesty = Women ?? - Page 9

Hi Chandu🤗 Edited by saloni111 - 11 years ago

Shouting on top of your lungs weakens your own logic and Notion.

Originally posted by: kaushikbasu

Hi I have not seen that in any episode so not sure when he said it and did he had any prelude or post statement actions or words. But going strictly by what I read here, like most I agree to what people say. Most of his statement was absolutely correct except the last portion. But I have seen even the woman using terms in public platforms like "wo to auroton ki tarah chugli kart a hai". or "wo to auraton ki tarah chhup ke baitha hai."  What I want to say is that those people do not want to demean the women but they are using what is usually said. Though I strongly object to such statements. In fact a lot of times I had written to MTV about the question asked by Raghu to male contestants "Aap ko kaisa lagega agar kissi ladki se haar gaye to". Thankfully no one was asked this last season. BTW the new contestant Vishal in Roadies 4 made a similar statement of girls being weak and the next time all girls together threw him out.

@Blue: I agree with ya, such statements even coming outta a woman disgusts me.
@Red: That point is more to do with men's perception in our male dominant society and whether they truly believe in the stance of equality. Our society makes any man losing out to a woman, an action worth the shame, which is quite sad and something to be pondered upon. Being realistic and aware of gender weaknesses and strength is one thing, but blatantly measuring women on the same scale is a different issue all together.

This is what was being said by Siddhu while he was criticizing Sapna's actions. I liked how he tried to make Sapna realize her mistake, but the way he backed it up with the last line, didn't go too well for me.


Edited by -Chandramukhi- - 11 years ago

Originally posted by: saitan

Men and women should behave equally decent, Lajja is not the sole copyright of ladies.

Agree with the above

 

But I agree with Sapna's stance when she applied gulaal to Niketan in anger presuming that he was trying to get close to the gals with the bahana of gulaal lagaoing. I agree that Niketan was chasing Sana only at Siddhu's insistence and had no personal intention of touching her and Sana was thoroughly enjoying the whole male attention, but Sapna does not know this as she was not in the scene at that time. So it is fine with me that she was pissed off by the fact that these guys are using the task as a shield to get touchy-touchy with the gals; and her this thought of standing up for the gals who are idiotic enough not too stand for their own dignity is indeed a part of women empowerment.

 

Shouldn't she atleast make an attempt to know what the truth is before attempting to speak for the galz. Instead everytime she jums the gun. This happened with Sampat too where immediately she reacted by removing the mike without speaking to Sampat whetehr she wants to really go. I don't want to go towards what Sapna did when she asked people to nominate her and what she did after they nominatde her. My point is women's empowerment does not mean take a stand without knowing what the issue is. It is foolishness. Are you saying people shud take a leaf out of her and when two people are fighting take a split second guess as to who is wrong and go blazing on the other party.

 

Also her joke on Urvashi, which was enjoyed by Siddhu the most, is also not something that is against the dayras of womenhood; as we all know that it was a mere joke and was totally in good spirits.

I also felt it was not so vulgar. But again a joke is something which shud make people laugh or hurt them. If I make a joke and teh other person is hurt I would atleast apologize for it although its unintentional. Not just run away saying its a joke.

Urvashi trying to restraint Sapna from gulaal lagaoing Siddhuji was part of a task and Sapna's resisting with Urvashi and trying to reach out to Siddhu was also part of the same task. So Urvashi shouting on Sapna for this behavior of hers and Sapna shouting back at her is also definitely not a breach of womanhood.

 

Agree with the above

But Sapna shouting at Siddhuji that you are dead for me from this day, is definitely not an applaudable thing. Shouting at anyone with these kind of words without any fault of his, is certainly not something to be proud of both by men and women.

Agree with the above

Originally posted by: -Chandramukhi-

And this is my brief English Translation.

"He was pointing out her mistakes how she was aggressive that day. He basically stated that she shouldn't shout or get violent whether it is Salman or Niketan or him. He said shouting isn't women empowerment, which I agree with him. But then he said that women's real ornament is "lajja", which I do not agree with him at all. That "lajja" crap is outdated. Shows his regressive mindset, again not his fault cuz he is from a different generation. But I do not agree with such tags coming from any man especially in this century"

King Bhaiyya, one would assume you could not watch the entire quote of Sidhu in that Katghara because if you had, there would have been ONE LAST LINE, that entirely changes, even the interpretations drawn in so many subsequent pages after your quote on the top post of this thread.😊

Here I go...

First. I press my Isko Laga Daala Toh Life Zhinga Lala, Tata Sky HD...Play-Pause-Type-Play-Pause-Type to quote the exact text as spoken (King's version, though covers the gist a great deal;, is actually still a distortion...just pointing out because if you need to dissect, atleast go for quote AS IT WAS)😊:

"""Physical violence se zyaada----dukh---gaaliyaan pahunchaati hain!-----Main aapko phir bata doon------Physical violence ke ghaav bhar jaate hain-------------is baat ko yaad rakhna------------lekin, jo ASHLEEL SHABDON KE GHAAV HAIN...(he is referring to Sapna's you are a coward---aap mere liye marr gaye hain outburst)-------woh umr bhar--dil mein---naasoor ban-ke rehte hain------------------aur woh sorry kehne se theek naheen hote--------------------------kai baar--jo jazb aur jabt...BADA BHAAI karta hai-----uska matlab ye naheen hai, ki uske andar koi bhaavna naheen hai! (indicating Sapna's words did hurt him deeply)-----------------------Ki main patthar ka hoon, ya Niketan Patthar ka hai...ya ye duniyaa patthar ki hai--------------ki tum kisi ko bhi kisi bhi waqt oonchi aawaaz mein-----chaahe woh Sidhu ho, chaahe woh Niketan ho----kisi waqt bhi bula logi aur woh women empowerment hai-----------WO WOMEN EMPOWERMENT NAHEEN HAI!!!!!-----------------Kyunki woh, auraton ke liye ek galat udaharan hai------------aur aurat ka agar sabse bada aabhooshan hai Sapna-----aaj main bade shaant svabaav se tumhein bol raha hoon wo Lajja hai------------Kyunki jis aurat mein lajja naheen----ASHLEELTA HAI------------us aurat ko, kaheen naa kaheen, koi guidance ki zaroorat hai----------------isliye main tumhaare saath har jagah khada rahoonga!-------------------BAHUT BAHUT DHANYAWAAD!!!!"""

When you read the sentence--Jis aurat mein lajja naheen---ASHLEELTA HAI---------------------------------that itself settles it fair and square!😛

In the context of his complete statement, what it obviously means is one who doesn't exercise restraint in her approach...is crude and loud in her way of speaking...(her because he is addressing it to Sapna)...needs guidance (counseling / support..call it what you may).

In this conversation ASHLEELTA doesn't mean starring in porn films just as LAJJA doesn't mean coyly looking at your toe nails and blushing non stop!

Atleast quote the full quote Sir ji...😛

Case Rested!😊


Edited by cruiser51 - 11 years ago

Originally posted by: cruiser51

King Bhaiyya, one would assume you could not watch the entire quote of Sidhu in that Katghara because if you had, there would have been ONE LAST LINE, that entirely changes the even interpretations drawn in so many subsequent pages after your quote on the top post of this thread.😊

Here I go...

First. I press my Isko Laga Daala Toh Life Zhinga Lala, Tata Sky HD...Play-Pause-Type-Play-Pause-Type to quote the exact text as spoken (King's version, though covers the gist a great deal;, is actually still a distortion...just pointing out because if you need to dissect, atleast go for quote AS IT WAS)😊:

"""Physical violence se zyaada----dukh---gaaliyaan pahunchaati hain!-----Main aapko phir bata doon------Physical violence ke ghaav bhar jaate hain-------------is baat ko yaad rakhna------------lekin, jo ASHLEEL SHABDON KE GHAAV HAIN...(he is referring to Sapna's you are a coward---aap mere liye marr gaye hain outburst)-------woh umr bhar--dil mein---naasoor ban-ke rehte hain------------------aur woh sorry kehne se theek naheen hote--------------------------kai baar--jo jazb aur jabt...BADA BHAAI karta hai-----uska matlab ye naheen hai, ki uske andar koi bhaavna naheen hai! (indicating Sapna's words did hurt him deeply)-----------------------Ki main patthar ka hoon, ya Niketan Patthar ka hai...ya ye duniyaa patthar ki hai--------------ki tum kisi ko bhi kisi bhi waqt oonchi aawaaz mein-----chaahe woh Sidhu ho, chaahe woh Niketan ho----kisi waqt bhi bula logi aur woh women empowerment hai-----------WO WOMEN EMPOWERMENT NAHEEN HAI!!!!!-----------------Kyunki woh, auraton ke liye ek galat udaharan hai------------aur aurat ka agar sabse bada aabhooshan hai Sapna-----aaj main bade shaant svabaav se tumhein bol raha hoon wo Lajja hai------------Kyunki jis aurat mein lajja naheen----ASHLEELTA HAI------------us aurat ko, kaheen naa kaheen, koi guidance ki zaroorat hai----------------isliye main tumhaare saath har jagah khada rahoonga!-------------------BAHUT BAHUT DHANYAWAAD!!!!"""

When you read the sentence--Jis aurat mein lajja naheen---ASHLEELTA HAI---------------------------------that itself settles it fair and square!😛

In the context of his complete statement, what it obviously means is one who doesn't exercise restraint in her approach...is crude and loud in her way of speaking...(her because he is addressing it to Sapna)...needs guidance (counseling / support..call it what you may).

In this conversation ASHLEELTA doesn't mean starring in porn films just as LAJJA doesn't mean coyly looking at your toe nails and blushing non stop!

Atleast quote the full quote Sir ji...😛

Case Rested!😊

Originally posted by: *king*

 

Cruiser bhai jis video maine sneak peak mein dekha tha morning uemey full nahin tha. sirf jitna meine likha utna hi tha. ashleelatha vagayira nahin tha usmey.

 

*king*

Fair point!

I just came back from dinner, rewound the stupid thing and quoted verbatim exactly the whole thing! Does make it pretty clear I would say!

Cheers!😊

Originally posted by: cruiser51

King Bhaiyya, one would assume you could not watch the entire quote of Sidhu in that Katghara because if you had, there would have been ONE LAST LINE, that entirely changes, even the interpretations drawn in so many subsequent pages after your quote on the top post of this thread.😊

Here I go...

First. I press my Isko Laga Daala Toh Life Zhinga Lala, Tata Sky HD...Play-Pause-Type-Play-Pause-Type to quote the exact text as spoken (King's version, though covers the gist a great deal;, is actually still a distortion...just pointing out because if you need to dissect, atleast go for quote AS IT WAS)😊:

"""Physical violence se zyaada----dukh---gaaliyaan pahunchaati hain!-----Main aapko phir bata doon------Physical violence ke ghaav bhar jaate hain-------------is baat ko yaad rakhna------------lekin, jo ASHLEEL SHABDON KE GHAAV HAIN...(he is referring to Sapna's you are a coward---aap mere liye marr gaye hain outburst)-------woh umr bhar--dil mein---naasoor ban-ke rehte hain------------------aur woh sorry kehne se theek naheen hote--------------------------kai baar--jo jazb aur jabt...BADA BHAAI karta hai-----uska matlab ye naheen hai, ki uske andar koi bhaavna naheen hai! (indicating Sapna's words did hurt him deeply)-----------------------Ki main patthar ka hoon, ya Niketan Patthar ka hai...ya ye duniyaa patthar ki hai--------------ki tum kisi ko bhi kisi bhi waqt oonchi aawaaz mein-----chaahe woh Sidhu ho, chaahe woh Niketan ho----kisi waqt bhi bula logi aur woh women empowerment hai-----------WO WOMEN EMPOWERMENT NAHEEN HAI!!!!!-----------------Kyunki woh, auraton ke liye ek galat udaharan hai------------aur aurat ka agar sabse bada aabhooshan hai Sapna-----aaj main bade shaant svabaav se tumhein bol raha hoon wo Lajja hai------------Kyunki jis aurat mein lajja naheen----ASHLEELTA HAI------------us aurat ko, kaheen naa kaheen, koi guidance ki zaroorat hai----------------isliye main tumhaare saath har jagah khada rahoonga!-------------------BAHUT BAHUT DHANYAWAAD!!!!"""

When you read the sentence--Jis aurat mein lajja naheen---ASHLEELTA HAI---------------------------------that itself settles it fair and square!😛

In the context of his complete statement, what it obviously means is one who doesn't exercise restraint in her approach...is crude and loud in her way of speaking...(her because he is addressing it to Sapna)...needs guidance (counseling / support..call it what you may).

In this conversation ASHLEELTA doesn't mean starring in porn films just as LAJJA doesn't mean coyly looking at your toe nails and blushing non stop!

Atleast quote the full quote Sir ji...😛

Case Rested!😊

Case Rested 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Cruiser ji whenever you defend Siddhu ji, you simply make me laugh literally, no jokes 😆😆

Anyhoo, my topic still stands there since my issue is with the stereotypical statement we get to hear from various backgrounds, Siddhu ji or no Siddhu ji. And anyways that statement did come outta his mouth 😉

Originally posted by: -Chandramukhi-

Case Rested 🤣

Cruiser ji whenever you defend Siddhu ji, you simply make me laugh literally, no jokes 😆😆

Anyhoo, my topic still stands there since my issue is with the stereotypical statement we get to hear from various backgrounds, Siddhu ji or no Siddhu ji. And anyways that statement did come outta his mouth 😉

I did not defend anyone...a misquote has been dissected, distorted and misinterpreted for so many pages, I have merely pointed out what the exact quote was. If you want, you may consider posting the exact quote on top post atleast so that many who have blindly believed misquote to be the true version, may atleast read what exactly it was. You can surely check it on You Tube or wherever the full vid is available. 😊

If a misquote was credited to Sana or Urvashi and if I noticed it was a misquote, I would point it out for you to reconsider your interpretations once again!...No where in my any post I have eulogized Sidhu on this thread in any manner!...But having seen him speak the entire quote,I think he spoke superbly...considering he spoke non stop and extempore!

😛


Edited by cruiser51 - 11 years ago