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Posted: 14 November 2012 at 5:24am | IP Logged
Originally posted by flutterby

bang on with this post... its an excellent topic...  High Scorecard sd25-1.gif photoi guess this is the supernatural cvs way of showing something drastic... as u mentioned in the previous seasons... both the winchesters sacrificed evrything for each other.. trying every trick in the book to protect each other.. but now  things have changed..  sam is too tired of this whole hunters job... while dean is raring for more... the cvs have exhausted their options of separating the brothers.. ( by showing them dead innumerable number of times)  Been There Done That Smiley Smilie Animation Animated Gif Smiley20.gif photoso i feel.. that this not caring for each other.. not needing each other is the order of the day 


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and hmmm I agree . i just cant wait how this track unfolds and that epic moment when the brothers actually reconcile! man that one is gonna be spectacu--lacu--larEmbarrassedEmbarrassedEmbarrassed

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Posted: 14 November 2012 at 6:48am | IP Logged
Originally posted by Savage

Dolly, dude - I think I gotta say I know where you're coming from. A post full of analysis, with a blast from the past, all I can say is I likey. Approve

Personally, I believe Dean to be a sacrificial martyr who loves with everything he has. Sam is more humane, that way. He commits humanely mistakes and is vulnerable to trouble. What's common between them in nature is the tough decision-making they are shoved with in the face. None of their choices has been easy. But they've always loved each other. Dean has protected his younger brother like a father, as though the motive of his very being alive is to look out for Sammy. Sam on the other hand was always seen pestering Dean to talk his heart out with him, to discuss and never to keep anything from him. So, at least that about Sam hasn't changed. He still has a liking for discussion. However, Dean gets more battle-hardened in every season. That's your trademark Dean and seeing as, he's spent an entire year fighting beasts on the frigging land of beasts, if I were you, I'd give him time to return from his shell to the world where he does have a defected arsenal and doesn't consider himself strong enough but battles each day and loves and protects Sammy each day. 

Basically it is human nature to care but develop a slight distinction in the fashion of it all. A mother cares for her offspring in several ways according to their need and also her own age. Dean and Sam are grown men now. They have evolved and we've lived their evolution with em. It'd be uncanny and highly pointless to watch Supernatural without a Winchester bond. And for now I am only giving it some time to get back to being what it really is. 

That's that. Embarrassed 


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I understand where you are coming from in that tooLOL and

very well said. agree on every point about Dean.. and there is one more thing I would like to add. besides being battle-hardened, I think this time Dean is a little damaged to (I mean needing mental institute for real types damaged) and no I have no idea why I think that but somehow I believe thats the main reason behind Dean's changed so called "hypocritical behavior" wrt to Sam...
and loved that explanation. I am gonna refer to it in future again n again , just so I can post impressive replies . Lolz


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Dey need yogi as der second genesisBig smile

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 man u solved the problem all togetherROFLROFLROFLROFLROFLROFL

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Posted: 14 November 2012 at 7:54am | IP Logged
Originally posted by -AngelSimi-

Wow people have wriiten essays heheheheheLOL  LOL  LOL  LOL  LOL and i am here sitting without any words hehehehehehehe.LOL  LOL  LOL  LOL  LOL
First of all amazing post dolly and loved Southern comfort.
Yeah its right they have changed a lot in 8 years and i agree with the changes here because watever they went through together its bound to change them.
again i agree they both are beahving like jerks right now and i agree with all the above points you mentioned but i think they are reacting in a way any human would react if put in their situations. Hell any other may not even sustain.
Right now both are feeling betrayed and turned down and are running so high on their anger and pissing competiton that they barely have time to take their headss out of their asses but thats what exactly brothers do !!!
 
They both are right in their respective positions. Dean has scarificed everything since he was 4 just to protect sam and then when he was stuck in the purgatory, he expected sam to be his protector for once and get him out of the shit and when he came top side only to find out that his brother didnt even try to find out whether he was alive or not had him shattered and it was bound to leave its mark.
 
Sam on the other hand, man i understand his condition. The way he has lost everything and everyone, there is no wonder you go hopeless sooner or later and in a way he is right at being pissed at dean coz for the fact dean gave him hell when ruby used him. He kept secrets from dean and boy was dean pissed at that time !!!! and now dean is doing the same. Being a hypocrite.
 
But i feel that they fight because they are still very close and when you are that close to a person that you know him inside out and when that person does not do what you expect you feel betrayed and thats what they are going through right now. Its human psychology.
I dont know i still feel that behind all this anger there is still taht part of SAM and DEAN that can care to hella nd back for each other. Because they are BROTHERS. I'd say even now if they are put in a tight situation they would do anything to keep each other alive and human and thats what real care is, pissed or not.   
 
And i dont know why i just remember bobby's line that Family is there to make you feel miserable thats why they are familySmile and i know this is Sam and Dean we are talking about and soon they will be back as they always do because at the end of the day each other is all tehy have got and no matter how pissed at each other they are or how betrayed right now they feel but they are Brothers and will always remain. Everything takes time to heal and this would to.
Atleast i have learnt one thing from SPN and its Never to lose hopeSmile and i would never leave hope on Sam and Dean being the dynamic duo again because tehy are not capable of being pissed at each other for long LOL  LOL  LOL  LOL
I mean come on If teh damn APOCALYPSE couldnt break their bond what the hell can PURGATORY do ????? LOL  LOL  LOL
 
PS: i dont know what i  wanted to say and what the hell have i written LOL 

 tu essay to ghat likheya hai kite???
 bygod kahanniyan hi pake bae gayi hain ROFLROFLROFL
 n sorry me in total punjabi moood. so we discuss the brothers in our maboli.

dono khasmanukhane, jeena aukha kita pea hai by god! koi punjabi hunda na, hun tak ek ek nu do do chanda lake tika k bitha dena c. aur dona nu pta vi nahi lagna si k ho ki gea!
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n ek garth. I am serioualy thinking k jo oh mahann insaan kite india, punjab ch aagea tan bachna ki hai ohda. lolz soch k vekh yaar !

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will come back in nightSmile

 I am just waiting as to when ur night startsOuchLOL


oops sorryLOL i actually forgot i had reserved hereOuch

coming to the topic i am actually more disappointed with Sam than i am with DeanConfused i don't know if its my biasedness  for dean or whatLOL

problem is i am not able to feel samConfused i mean he never once showed regret for not looking for deanOuch. he is just saying things but the emotions behind it is missing i don't know if its just me who is feeling that wayConfused i am sure Sam has reasons behind not looking for Dean but he needs to say it or at least show in some way that he is happy that Dean is back but all Sam is doing is saying that he will go back to his normal lifeOuch i have no problem with Sam wanting a normal life but give some explanations to Dean will he? at least tell Dean that he is not abandoning his brother but just don't want to hunt anymore and he is always there for DeanOuch i am sure Sam is always there for Dean but how the hell is Dean gonna see that when sam is not showing itConfused

Sam had every right to know about Benny but just like dean said Dean might have hide things but he never once betrayed Sam Ouch i am not talking about soulless sam and all the old stuffs but sam did betrayed dean by not looking out for him and Sam is not making things better even now he is making the distance between them more wideCry

i just hope they come up with a better explanation for Sam's behavior and not just a girl and dogLOL

i don't know if i even made any sense hereLOL

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Posted: 15 November 2012 at 7:43pm | IP Logged
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will come back in nightSmile

 I am just waiting as to when ur night startsOuchLOL


oops sorryLOL i actually forgot i had reserved hereOuch

coming to the topic i am actually more disappointed with Sam than i am with DeanConfused i don't know if its my biasedness  for dean or whatLOL

problem is i am not able to feel samConfused i mean he never once showed regret for not looking for deanOuch. he is just saying things but the emotions behind it is missing i don't know if its just me who is feeling that wayConfused i am sure Sam has reasons behind not looking for Dean but he needs to say it or at least show in some way that he is happy that Dean is back but all Sam is doing is saying that he will go back to his normal lifeOuch i have no problem with Sam wanting a normal life but give some explanations to Dean will he? at least tell Dean that he is not abandoning his brother but just don't want to hunt anymore and he is always there for DeanOuch i am sure Sam is always there for Dean but how the hell is Dean gonna see that when sam is not showing itConfused

Sam had every right to know about Benny but just like dean said Dean might have hide things but he never once betrayed Sam Ouch i am not talking about soulless sam and all the old stuffs but sam did betrayed dean by not looking out for him and Sam is not making things better even now he is making the distance between them more wideCry

i just hope they come up with a better explanation for Sam's behavior and not just a girl and dogLOL

i don't know if i even made any sense hereLOL

@bold red..
I feel the same way!
literally the way sam had been behaving last couple of weeks , i just dont... i dont see much happiness in the fact that dean has returned , though after last episode I am feeling really really good . they actually showed a little bit of "we'll die for each other " brothers in it. what with dean being all vulnerable and sam being the only one able to pacify him??
really really loved the episodecause of that.

dean was confused through out, and sam was there watching out for him from start to end.. its just these little things that still keep my hopes high that all is not lostEmbarrassed
 and u know u should read --Sindhu-- comment to on page 1 of this topic. she actually explained Sam alot better. and I really felt good after reading that explanation..
sighs I always hated whenever Dean was let down by his brother though Sam never meant too and Sam was always saddened by the fact.. Now I no longer see that...

but I am still hopeful. its winchesters after all. they will bounce back...

Ps- ok I have no idea if I made any sense back there!!!LOL

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Posted: 16 November 2012 at 3:26am | IP Logged
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 you know right about now I could kill u... by hugging u to deathROFL
man that was the best explanation ever from sam's side..
 i am being this angry on this guy.. n try as i might i couldnt let go of the fact that sam didnt even try to find if his brother was alive.. i mean that much was what dean deserved .. after all the hell they both went through together...
but the way u said it.. seriously yaar. hatts of to u n yeah now that i think about it I guess I agree with you on ur Sam's POV . so it means i might finally not be having much problem with him...
phew u have no idea how much of a burden it was. i was always a sam girl and a dean girl both..
 through out and while others faught n tore each other's head off , i was comfortable enjoying both the chracters n loving the hell outta them.
but this season... lets just say things havent been much smooth with regards to Sam..
now just may be they would!!

...
on Dean
everyone is saying tht he is a hypcrite. man I dont agreee.
 that guy was in monster hell for a whole frigging year.. hurt and running and hurt and running...
fear was his constant companion. i cant even imagine how many times during this year he must have almost given up.. but then may be benny helped him to keep going on or may cas did or may be the thought of Sam did...
whatever it was . Dean made through and then he comes back to his world n finds tht his brother didnt even care abt finding out if his brother was dead or alive??? ouch that one gotta hurt hell loads more then the monster injuries..

and as far as the whole ruby fiasco is concerned. i remember dean said that bygones are bygones. but what happened here with amelia... dean could veiw it as a repeat telecast of the ruby thing... and man even if u forget abt earlier betrayals .. even the slightest indication tht they r being repeated , drives u up the wall...
as far as that soulless thing is concerned. i have no idea why dean braught it back up...

but I have a theory..
after purgatory I think Dean is more damaged then we could possibly see. it may even be a medical condition. because the way he is being clinging to Sam, not letting him go or the way he is sending sam on guilt trips thinking that it might make sam stay back with him??
i think it all is a desperate try of dean on not being left alone...

now benny n amy thing. i never did forgive dean for amy. even after sam did.. it never made sense to me seriously. murdering amy was totally wrong.. coz if dean murdered her coz she might murder someone someday , he should have killed her son too!

but as far as benny is concerned. i dont think he is the first vampire the boys have let go... remember lenore???????

PS:- I agree I am loving this season soo damm much. the story line has me on tenterhooks. way too go supernatural !!!

                                                    Haha u r sweet …It's ok I understand u being angry with Sam …. I think I have been quite bitchy myself in that post regarding Dean  …I was so pissed that I kept on writing from Sam's POV clearly eliminating all of Dean's points ….But I completely agree what u say about Dean ….He didn't have it easy from any point that one should judge his actions either…Besides I don't think he meant half of the things he said …I read this in a post that I really liked ….it was more of the spectre's influence on his mind that made his act irrationally than his hidden anger bursting out … I mean take the examples in this matter ….Does a rational wife really kills her husband for taking another girl to the prom …it makes no sense after years of marriage and family right ….so it's the same case with Dean I guess …it was less him and more the spectre forcing him to speak up everything he has buried in the past….and that too by increasing his anger and not letting him think rationally over everything he was saying ...


And u were bang on right about Dean's condition too .post purgatory situation...it kind of was reflected in the last epi ...( Have u seen it ...I don't wanna spoil it for anybody ) I think this was also hinted in the first epi where they took reference from the film Hurt Locker showing how Dean was still having trouble believing he is out just like Sam felt in season 6 ...I also think that all of his anger behind Sam and bashing him left right and center has a lot to do with his anger regarding everything that happened in purgatory ...and his inner guilt that he ended up venting on Sam ...remember how Dean ends up punching Sam whenever he is pissed LOL he kind of saw sam in the same light as he saw himself ...


I know Dean fought the worst of the worst only because he wanted to come back to Sam cause he was alone out here ...this has always been his reason of not giving up isn't it ...so yeah he would be hurt tremendously when he returns and finds his only motivation to fight didn't really care much to look out for him ...but It will be a ridiculous explanation if they say Sam just saw no one in the sucrocrop building and so he came out and fixed the impala and drove away to his new free life ...there is a whole lot of months missing from that incident to him meeting Amelia and no one knows what happened there ...and I would like to believe something happened there ...

As far as betrayal goes ….I think it's perspective …like Dean said that whatever Sam did was not a mistake but choices ….I disagree ….I believe that every mistake we commit was at some point of time a choice with every possible good intention ….every choice / mistake Sam did was something he thought was good and right and so he did it ….He never went against Dean because it was fun or he was tired of following Dean's orders or that He liked hurting Dean ….No he did it because he wanted to correct things because Ruby made him think that he could change things for them both …Save Dean from the pain and more importantly he did it to save himself from turning into a monster ….for not being the brother to Dean but a monster that he hunts ….His Alliance with Ruby was to take revenge for Dean's death ….and later to stop whatever plans they had for him ...he thought he could his curse into a gift and protect them both ….His alliance with Amelia is nuthn like Ruby ….It was more of a need of someone to believe that things can come to normalcy ...that he does have someone left in this world to share ...I mean what hasn't he done to keep dean alive ...he was even ready to have immortality if that meant Dean doesn't have to die ...that kind of a brother can't betray the only one thing that he believes in can he ??

I remember this incident with my teacher ...I was scared of earthquakes and there was one that happened in new zealand I guess and I was talking to her about it and how it scares me to think what will I do in such a situation and she was like what is there to be scared about it ...if u die in it nuthn will be bad and I was like what is so good about dying and she was like what is so good about surviving while everyone you know dies in it...will that be nice?  ...that very thought freaks out a person ...and Sam lived it ...dying doesn't seems to be a bad option when u think about life without anyone around u ...I think this is why I understand Sam and his issues ...His need for Amelia ...even he would have searched for Dean and found out he died it would have killed him ...if he was scared he had his reasons ...but we dnt know that...but I would love to know what happened 


p.s : I m sorry I write way too much ...I m not good with words ...I end up writing sentences to explain myself

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Posted: 16 November 2012 at 5:51am | IP Logged
I think you are very good with words. and man I was so waiting for ur reply and loved to read ur side again..
 and that paragraph about Sam being afraid to find out if Dean was really dead? I think I do agree with that, felt like that once.. a long time ago.

and I agree there has to be a reason behind Sam not looking for Dean (if that really has been the case). coz man even I dont believe that Sam just came out of sucrocop and started the engine (of a car that was totally totalled by the way) and drove away. Lolz.. there has to be a reason as to why sam didnt look for his only family. may be sam really really thought that dean was dead! afterall dick roman's back gooey blood was splattered all over. may be sam thought that that explosion was enuf to incenerate Dean and Cas.
if thats the case then all his actions afterwards make sense.. that his brother was dead and he didnt try anything to bring him back, coz when had ever that ended in good things???

and Yes I have watched the epi.. I loved it. they showed Dean's confusion guilt and vulnerability so well and specially that bro moment in between when Sam sort of tries to pacify Dean. I actually paused there and did jhinga la la dance around the room ... (believe me I am serious lolz)

and seriously even till the end of the episode, Sam was looking out for how Dean was feeling, giving then both space to settle things, not being overly interfering but at the same time asking Dean if he was ok with it or not. could have hugged sam to hell in that instant. lolz

and Dean I am just waiting how things play out on his end .. with Sam I seriously want writers to show some more substance , like actually show how pathetic and difficult the life was for Sam and till now for me amelia and that dog is just not it!!. but I think they still have a lot of flashbacks in store for Sam so fingers crossed!

as far as spectre goes, I agree that was not wholly Dean.. spectre picked up that first moment of dean feeling the betrayel and magnified it like bazillion times..
like with that wife..
(this is my theory as to hoe spectre's madness worked)
he took the victim back to the original moment of feeling the betrayel. that first time the vic actually came to know that her lover had cheated on her. that moment must have been the worst, so much pain and anger would have filled that moment. and we all know how irrational anger gets when one feels it hot and initially..that is why people talk things out after the angry person has cooled down.
now are spectre picked up that moment and amplified it to a much larger scale, so that that lady killed her husband after 35 years of marriage.
same was the case with Dean , the spectre threw Dean into a pit of blinding rage and dissapointment and made him doo all sorts of irrational things..
another theory?? spectre was the one possessing Dean and acting on his behalf. just picking up Dean's rage and doing whatever he wanted with it..
hope Samlooks at it that way.
 but Sam was pissed of all the time Dean had been ridiculing him since he came back from purgatory and again like I said didnt try n make much effort to actually ... theorize??? what went down with Dean and spectre.
I loved Garth's analysis on this one..
"its like u both are talking to each other but no one is listening "

all in all I am hell exited in seeing how things unfold from here, specially after last epi!!

Ps- man I think I talk wayy tooo much !! lolz

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