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Posted: 11 years ago
Nice update anxiously waiting for the next update... Arnav wil be shocked to death when he finds out khushi in the carriage hope he doesnt misbehave...
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Posted: 11 years ago
hey A, 
sorry for the late comments and sorry for not updating after reserving for the previous part...had to go out of town for a wedding...but i did read and m excited for the turn of events...nani is very sharp and perceptive...wonder what arnav's reaction will be...m kind of in a sleep deprived stage so can't make sense of what m writing so i halt here...next comment for the next update shall be better...hope u r enjoying ur vacation

shamin


hey aura...thanx a ton for the PMs and sorry for being unable to respond to it due to lack of time...i'll get to u soon

shamin
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Posted: 11 years ago

Hey there guys.. amidst all da may-hem,i thought of sharing n debating on a certain issue.. ''THE CURSE OF GEN.JHA''...
Altho its just a Suggestion/Possibility..but i wntd to raise it here fr discussion purposes.. i cn b TOTALLY WRONG here.. bt i cudnt ovr luk da possibility.. evn if am wrong,its still sumthg dat ADDS to general knowledge.. going to only point out da points i found interesting in da context of da FF,revealing so far..n also wch may in da future.. off late,i had been considering an option as da creature Gen.Jha may b.. a GRYPHON ! yes,i knw its a mythological creature.. bt thn dis story is also a FANTASY ,weaved in magic n curse wth strong description of layered human nature... so fr nw i'm considering dis option..






                                                                      A GRYPHON/GRIFFIN

  • The gryphon (alternate spellings include griffin and griffon depending on historical culture) is a mythological creature..are noble beasts with the head, forelegs and wings of a majestic eagle and the strong body of a lion.
  • As the lion was traditionally considered the king of the beasts and the eagle was the king of the birds, the griffin was thought to be an especially powerful and majestic creature. The griffin was also thought of as king of the creatures.
  • While griffins are most common in the art and lore of Ancient Greece, there is evidence of representations of griffins in Ancient Persian and Ancient Egyptian art as far back as 3,300 BC..
  • In Greek mythology, griffins guarded the gold of the Hyperboreans. According to different legends, they would either attack any who tried to claim the gold, ripping them to shreds, or would drag them high into the air and then drop them to their deaths.
  • Griffins were frequently associated with the guarding of gold by Greek writers.
  • griffins have often been depicted as chariot- or carriage-pulling beasts for especially noble or powerful individuals. Nemesis, Greek goddess of balance and vengeance, and Apollo, Greek god of the sun, were both said to have chariots pulled by griffins.
  • The gryphon was adapted by early Christian mythology as symbolic of Jesus' half divine and half mortal nature, the eagle as king of the heavens and the lion as king of the earth. One historical record from 1688 attaches the gryphon's significance to the combination of intelligence (the eagle) and strength (the lion). As the griffin in some mythology was said to be phenomenally monogamous, only taking one mate in its lifetime (even if one of the two perished the survivor would never seek a second), the Catholic church used the gryphon for a time as a symbol of its approach toward remarriage. Today the gryphon continues to be a powerful symbol of regal strength and loyalty.
  • Gryphons, like birds, built nests, or eyries (aeries), as the nest of a bird of prey is called. The Gryphon laid an agate, rather than an egg, therein. Gryphons found gold in the mountains and made their nests from it.This made their eyries very tempting to hunters, so Gryphons were forced to keep vigilant guard over their nests. Gryphons had instinct which allowed them to know where buried treasure was, and they would apply themselves to guarding it as best they could, keeping plunderers at distance.

  • It was written by Pomponius Mela, that a certain area was uninhabitable, "because the Griffons (a cruel and eager kind of wild beast) do wonderfully love the gold, which lies discovered above the ground, and do wonderfully keep it, and are very fierce upon them that touch it." Gryphons have always been depicted as guardians of treasure. Gryphons themselves depict gold, as they represent the wealth of the sun at dawn, the gold in the east. They are also said to line their nests, called Eyries, with pure gold, woe be to the traveler looking to steal it.
  • In Christian symbolism, the Gryphon originally represented Satan and evil, but later came to represent Christ, especially his dual nature, both divine and earthly, as the Gryphon had mastery of both land and sky, and was noble and majestic. Gryphons were said to kill serpents and basilisks, both embodiments of evil, thus protecting mankind. Gryphons symbolize both strength and wisdom combined in heraldry. On medieval buildings, Gryphons were often used as gargoyles, great stone guardians.
  • In heraldry, the griffin's amalgamation of lion and eagle gains in courage and boldness, and it is always drawn to powerful fierce monsters. It is used to denote strength and military courage and leadership. Griffins are portrayed with rear body of a lion, an eagle's head, with erect ears, and feathered breast, with forelegs of an eagle, including claws. The combination indicates a combination of intelligence and strength.
  • "They engage too with other beasts and overcome them without difficulty, but they will not face the lion or the elephant." and as stated by Philostratos, "...they get the better of elephants and dragons... and thetiger alone is beyond their powers of attack..." Gryphons are in fact so strong that many stories have been told of Gryphons plucking men, horses and oxen into the air with ease..  ..."But one griffin hath the body more great and is more strong than eight lions, of such lions as be on this half, and more great and strong than an hundred eagles such as we have amongst us. For one griffin there will bear, flying to his nest, a great horse, if he may find him at the point, or two oxen yoked together as they go at the plough. For he hath his talons so long and so large and great upon his feet, as though they were horns of great oxen or of bugles or of kine, so that men make cups of them to drink of."
  • Like many other mythical beasts of the time, in the Middle Ages it was believed that the feathers and claws of a Gryphon has special magical powers. It is said that a poisoned liquid will change colors if served in a cup fashioned from a Gryphon's claw. The only way one could acquire a Gryphon's claw though, in legend, is by a holy man who cured a Gryphon of some illness and received the claw as payment for his kindness. A Gryphon's feather is said to be able to cure blindness.
  • This is the most well known of all Gryphon characteristics, and quotes describing the Gryphon's love for gold can be found by nearly every person who has ever written of the beast.,,..they did hoard the metal, and because of this, were much sought after by neighboring humans and Arimaspians. Aelian perhaps provides the most interesting description of the Gryphons and their gold hoarding nature.
  • Gryphons have extremely good eyesight:...Highly adaptable to any current situations makes the Gryphon an awesome predator: Long legs, flexible spine and sharp claws help to propel the Gryphon forward at speeds of 110+...Wild Gryphons can also live up to 800 years.
  • Gryphon's are rumored to be the pets of the Gods. Having been created in sight of the lion's bravery and the eagle's grace and intelligence. It has been said that the Gods wanted a true, pure creature that would defend to the death, but not cause problems otherwise. They saw the lion as the king of beasts, the source of bravery, and the eagle as the source of intelligence and thus, created the Gryphon. The Gryphon can control both land and air in its form.
  • The Griffon dominates both realms - the spiritual (sky/wind) and the material world (ground/earth) and therefore shouldn't be underestimated as an opponent. Others tend to link the Griffon back to the mage wars of long ago, the so called War of the Chosen (9500 b.S.). At this time many creatures were magically bred by evil sorcerers, especially the genderless Centaur is said to have originated from this unforgetable age of darkness which brought havoc over the Sarvonian lands.
  • Although or even because Gryphons are rather rare they have been known for centuries as symbols of strength and vigilance. Regarding human ethics and virtues they also represent power, arrogance and pride. Because of the latter and the mentioned mythological interpretation the true nature of the Gryphon may be interpreted in a dual way: On the one hand several religious communities interpret Gryphons as beasts of the light, on the other hand the symbol of the Gryphon has also found its way into demonic rites representating Cor, the Shadow of the World.
  • As such, the gryphon was considered powerful and majestic and itself a king of creatures. It was also the symbol of divine power and a guardian of the divine...and were able to travel at the speed of lightning. .

ok guys..jst being curious dats why researched so much..above mentiond facts r excerpts frm various articles..so may not mk enuf sense..i jst pointed out afew thgs dat md me curious! ..n i knw dat many must b ''frowning'' at me..well,dnt worry guys,u knw i suck at guesses..so ignore it or jst tk it as an informative post in general.. oh btw,there's anothr creature i found dats more hideous thn Griffin..

Hippogriff...

vl write sumthg on it trw.. tc.😊

Edited by shass - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
Hey lin welcome back
i m really excited for next update...and we don't hv any problem u take good rest...

And i m happy ki plagiarism ki problem solve ho gaye hai...
And i wish that who ever was behind that will not repeat it again with any anyone's ff or piece of work...

So right now i m mentally dancing around thinking of the nxt part.
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Posted: 11 years ago
Welcome back Lin.Hope u got to spend some quality time with ur parents...
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Posted: 11 years ago
I have not been commenting as much as I would have wanted to. . .
But that does not mean I am not following the tale!! Of course, I am!! πŸ˜ƒ

Khushi has ended up with Arnav now. AGAIN!! πŸ˜†
Magnets, both of them, I tell you!! πŸ˜›

Thanks for the PM, Aura, hun. . . πŸ€—
Hope to hear from you soon too!! πŸ˜‰
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: shass

Hippogriff...

vl write sumthg on it trw.. tc.😊


OMG... some one is doing P.hd on tale and its charectars...
well it is informative... and few chars goes well with Gen jha... let c wats Lin have for us...
 
And HIPPOGIRFF... wow i like that creature in Herry Potter!! 
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Posted: 11 years ago
well that's a great news.!

will be waiting for you then..
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Posted: 11 years ago

 

OMG Shass, this is brilliant. πŸ‘ 
 
Im not talking about the Griffin or Hippocriff but the efforts you took to summarise the above data. Great effort dear... For a minute, i thought im reading some exerpts from J.K.Rowling's Harry Potter book "Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them". I must admit even when i read the Harry potter series i didnt get so much info about Griffin.
 
Since Harry was a Griffindor - which is famous for its bravery and loyalty - its hard for me to associate Griffin with some shaded character like Gen. Jha. Still, i'll try to connect the above mentioned qualities of Griffin with Gen.Jha's character and will make a detailed comment later...
 
You not going to leave Hippocriff too?... 😲 
 
You know something shass, when i read about the mention of dead rats in the dungeon where khushi was locked up, the first thought which crossed my mind about the creature creating the rattling sound there... was a Hippocriff. Then i dismissed the idea thinking that im still not out from the world of harry potter. But you again made me enter that fantasy world...
Edited by hoopoe - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
Hey shass, from the given info in ur analysis on Griffin, i found certain features in favour and few against the nature of Gen. Jha. Since his character is layered and till now only few qualities of him were revealed, its hard to guess the nature of beast in him. I have just highlighted certain points from ur analysis which i found interesting...
 
 
Qualities in favour of Gen. Jha:
  • Griffins are most common in the art and lore of Ancient Greece
  • Griffons (a cruel and eager kind of wild beast)
  • Gryphon originally represented Satan and evil
  • later came to represent Christ, especially his dual nature, both divine and earthly represents courage and boldness, and it is always drawn to powerful fierce monsters.
  • It is used to denote strength and military courage and leadership but they will not face the lion or the elephant and the tiger alone is beyond their powers of attack..."
  • Gryphon's love for gold
  • Highly adaptable to any current situations makes the Gryphon an awesome predator
  • Gods wanted a true, pure creature that would defend to the death, but not cause problems otherwise
  • The Gryphon can control both land and air in its form 

Qualities not in favour of Gen. Jha:

  • griffin was also thought of as king of the creatures.
  • amalgamation of lion and eagle...
  • Having been created in sight of the lion's bravery and the eagle's grace and intelligence
  • phenomenally monogamous, only taking one mate in its lifetime powerful symbol of regal strength and loyalty.
  • Gryphons were said to kill serpents and basilisks, both embodiments of evil, thus protecting mankind.
  • Gryphons symbolize both strength and wisdom combined in heraldry
  • symbol of divine power and a guardian of the divine...
 
Some interesting and intriguing points:
  • This made their eyries very tempting to hunters, so Gryphons were forced to keep vigilant guard over their nests. Gryphons had instinct which allowed them to know where buried treasure was
  •  in the Middle Ages it was believed that the feathers and claws of a Gryphon has special magical powers. It is said that a poisoned liquid will change colors if served in a cup fashioned from a Gryphon's claw. The only way one could acquire a Gryphon's claw though, in legend, is by a holy man who cured a Gryphon of some illness and received the claw as payment for his kindness.
  • Gryphons as beasts of the light, on the other hand the symbol of the Gryphon has also found its way into demonic rites representating Cor, the Shadow of the World.
 
I can only assume my dear shass... i may be totally wrong... The positive features so far revealed about Gen. Jha matches with Griffin's nature, but still, since they also symbolize regal strength, wisdom, loyalty and divine power, i find it hard to associate the creature with the beast in him. I highly doubt the beast in him will be an amalgamation of Lion and Eagle, which both represents the king of its own kind... all noble and royal unlike Gen. Jha who is treacherous and deceitful. This is totally my POV. I may be wrong.
 
Let me wait for the upcoming chapters to get some detailed insight of his character. May be then we will get some pointers to guess the beast in him... But hats off to you dear. Great effort... πŸ‘ 
Edited by hoopoe - 11 years ago