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Posted: 07 November 2012 at 7:59pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by SAIBALROUTH

Nice post UMDU ji. Agree with most of the points you have raised. Agreed, SP is trying to portray that revolt is not the necessary solution. I am still in doubt whether Suraj will be able to convince Bhabo or not, now that he knows what Bhabo has in her mind.

Regarding Sandhya's silence, we have always seen that she goes soft on family members and has stayed silent on many occasions earlier as well.
Thank you beta. I have already discussed the reasons for Sandhya's silence in yesterday's thread in detail. This thread is an attempt to look at outside reasons for the character portrayal. Suraj will be able to convince Bhabo but for that he has to confront her. She cheated him by not telling him about admission deadline and he defied her by leaving Chavvi alone. So both are even. They have to show us now a forceful  Suraj.

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Posted: 07 November 2012 at 8:19pm | IP Logged
nice analysis for sandhyas silence umdu i agree with ur analysis and my heart goes for sandy .

 but am not really happy with nayi sooch i know they want to show a hubby supporting the wife but i would have really appreciated it had they shown a little bit of spark in sandy not being rebellious to the point of showing her going against bhabo but atleast trying to put her point across..
  meekly surrendering to bhabo doesnt show a nayi sooch .
she has given up her dreams now she could have put her foot down about those sewing classes i guess that is too much to ask from the cvs .

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Nice analysis UMDU.  I also agree with Samir for the credit being given to DABH CVs the most than the channel as I believe channels are more interested in TRPs first and then the content.
 
You are right about Sandhya's character influencing the masses as time and again we have seen many posts mentioning people having learnt from Sandhya to handle things in their life but I also hope that they do not try to remain meek as Sandhya as every husband is not a Suraj.
 
One of the main reason for Sandhya's character being silent and meek is the concept of DABH, a supportive husband.

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Posted: 07 November 2012 at 8:47pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by -SamiR-

Interesting take UMDU ji! So, you're looking at the situation from outside, in. It seems like a plausible reason for why Sandhya's character is the way it is. Although, it's hard for me to digest that a major media channel is so enthusiastic on the social activism front, for the sole purpose of bringing progressive change to rural India (most media corporations are usually not known for having a conscience Stern Smile). If anything, I would give the credit to the writers of DABH. Of course, that doesn't change the validity of your analysis; I completely agree.

I also wanted to add that although your analysis shows why Sandhya's behavior is important to get the message across to the audience, I think her behavior is also consistent with her character from a literary perspective. The latter point is quite well demonstrated in the above posts of MisscoolEyes, and Peachesandcream. Among other things, I think Sandhya's trait of selflessness is an important justification for her behavior, as I have argued previously.

Nonetheless, great analysis from a unique perspective Thumbs Up


EDITED: oops, forgot to comment on your Gandhi ji/ Bhagat ji analogy. Just to be clear, I believe that the contributions of 'revolutionaries' were as important as the non-violent civil disobedience by Gandhi ji. Both violence and non-violence can be justified or criticized, depending on the intention behind the act. It's quite hard for me to think of any successful solutions to conflicts in history that have used only violence/aggression or only non-violence. Usually, a combination of aggression (or at least the threat of it) and diplomacy is required. It's true that we have immense respect for Gandhi ji, but I think any true Indian would have equal respect for 'revolutionaries' like Bhagat Singh, Sukhdev and others (at least I would like to hope so!)
Thank you so much Samiji for your inputs. Let me discuss the points yoou have raised one by one

1. Star Plus is not here to do social service. No one will say that. The CVs  have to be given a lot of  credit but it is Star which is telecasting it and they repeatedly say they want to bring in new leher.  In India there are several firms which are deeply into corporate social responsibility and either passively or actively contribute. To give you an example Bharti Airtel had a plan to have  1,00000 homes with mobile phones.  No doubt it would bring in brisk business for their firm but also improved communication networks phenomenally. TATA Motors introduced the aam admi car Nano which made car available at a very affordable price to a middle class man who till than only dreamt of it.  TATAs also made money but the benefit passed on to other classes as well. These are passive contributors while there are many active ones like Wipro or Infosys or Reddys etc we won't go into that.   The point I am making here is they may  promote social awareness through serials while making money through ads. The fact that the serial is so popular encourages them further to go in that direction. However as I said about 65% are in rural areas and their sentiments cannot be ignored. So they decide to combine social responsibility sensitively with their material gains.
2.Regarding Sandhya's nature and the analysis of her character many threads by IF members has been taken out and discussed. I did not go into that as I was concentrating on the larger picture i.e why her character has been built that way.
3.Regarding the freedom struggle my analogy was limited to the participation of Congress in the elections indicating a will to fight from within. The congress continued to contest in elections till our independence barring few disruptions due to different movements. It is they who played a greater role in the independence movement. The revolutionaries did not believe in joining the Government. Their impact was limited to a few areas.  We  have the greatest respect for our revolutionaries but their popularity cannot be equated with Gandhiji. Here we are talking about relative popularity. I also agree that no freedom struggle has been blood less and a combination of two works.  Gandhiji became famous due to his mass mobilization while other leaders could not manage that and were popular in pockets. In the same way Star Plus is also targeting the masses who would like to see a submissive Sandhya achieve her IPS dream gradually rather than satisfy the urban educated elite who want her to rebel and chart her own path of success. They no doubt are doing it for their own selfish reasons as they are going by the percentage of viewership but it will benefit atleast in a limited way in changing the psyche.We don't need such lessons they do so they are giving it to them  and making money as well.
4.The civil disobedience movement was started by Gandhiji with the salt satyagraha while the revolutionaries I mentioned had a parallel movement going  under the party  name of Hindusthan socialist republican association. They were not the same and Bhagat singh along with two others was hanged in March 1931.They were in prison from 1929  till death and civil disobedience started in March 1930.


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Nice analysis UMDU.  I also agree with Samir for the credit being given to DABH CVs the most than the channel as I believe channels are more interested in TRPs first and then the content.
 
You are right about Sandhya's character influencing the masses as time and again we have seen many posts mentioning people having learnt from Sandhya to handle things in their life but I also hope that they do not try to remain meek as Sandhya as every husband is not a Suraj.
 
One of the main reason for Sandhya's character being silent and meek is the concept of DABH, a supportive husband.
Thank you so much Bharatiji. The credit no doubt has to be given to the CVs for having created such a wonderful story but Star Plus also keeps showing the Nayi soch lehar. They are the ones telecasting it. So they also can take the credit for making the difference even though they may have done it to get ad revenue. I think the channels go by the mood of the audience which is reflected in the TRPS. Sandhya's docile submission has been accepted by the audience and the serial tops the TRP charts. So they continue with it to show a fight within the system to change. I agree totally with you that the supportive husband part is important and that again is done to mollify the traditional class which may not take kindly to women speaking up.

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Originally posted by shehjar

nice analysis for sandhyas silence umdu i agree with ur analysis and my heart goes for sandy .

 but am not really happy with nayi sooch i know they want to show a hubby supporting the wife but i would have really appreciated it had they shown a little bit of spark in sandy not being rebellious to the point of showing her going against bhabo but atleast trying to put her point across..
  meekly surrendering to bhabo doesnt show a nayi sooch .
she has given up her dreams now she could have put her foot down about those sewing classes i guess that is too much to ask from the cvs .
Thank you so much for your inputs. I agree with you Shehjar that a meek Sandhya disgusts us all. That is not in conformity with Nayi Soch. They are doing that because they have to prepare the audience to accept the idea that is step 1 and in step 2 they may make her more vocal. If you skip step 1 and move to 2 than the traditional audience outrightly rejects it.So you go step by step. I agree she need not revolt but can politely put across her point. That is impossible in Rathi household where absolute dictatorship of Bhabo exists and once she has decided on something nothing can melt her. She is not open to reason.

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Posted: 08 November 2012 at 1:26am | IP Logged
Originally posted by UMDU

 Thank you so much Samiji for your inputs. Let me discuss the points yoou have raised one by one

1. Star Plus is not here to do social service. No one will say that. The CVs  have to be given a lot of  credit but it is Star which is telecasting it and they repeatedly say they want to bring in new leher.  In India there are several firms which are deeply into corporate social responsibility and either passively or actively contribute. To give you an example Bharti Airtel had a plan to have  1,00000 homes with mobile phones.  No doubt it would bring in brisk business for their firm but also improved communication networks phenomenally. TATA Motors introduced the aam admi car Nano which made car available at a very affordable price to a middle class man who till than only dreamt of it.  TATAs also made money but the benefit passed on to other classes as well. These are passive contributors while there are many active ones like Wipro or Infosys or Reddys etc we won't go into that.   The point I am making here is they may  promote social awareness through serials while making money through ads. The fact that the serial is so popular encourages them further to go in that direction. However as I said about 65% are in rural areas and their sentiments cannot be ignored. So they decide to combine social responsibility sensitively with their material gains.
2.Regarding Sandhya's nature and the analysis of her character many threads by IF members has been taken out and discussed. I did not go into that as I was concentrating on the larger picture i.e why her character has been built that way.
3.Regarding the freedom struggle my analogy was limited to the participation of Congress in the elections indicating a will to fight from within. The congress continued to contest in elections till our independence barring few disruptions due to different movements. It is they who played a greater role in the independence movement. The revolutionaries did not believe in joining the Government. Their impact was limited to a few areas.  We  have the greatest respect for our revolutionaries but their popularity cannot be equated with Gandhiji. Here we are talking about relative popularity. I also agree that no freedom struggle has been blood less and a combination of two works.  Gandhiji became famous due to his mass mobilization while other leaders could not manage that and were popular in pockets. In the same way Star Plus is also targeting the masses who would like to see a submissive Sandhya achieve her IPS dream gradually rather than satisfy the urban educated elite who want her to rebel and chart her own path of success. They no doubt are doing it for their own selfish reasons as they are going by the percentage of viewership but it will benefit atleast in a limited way in changing the psyche.We don't need such lessons they do so they are giving it to them  and making money as well.
4.The civil disobedience movement was started by Gandhiji with the salt satyagraha while the revolutionaries I mentioned had a parallel movement going  under the party  name of Hindusthan socialist republican association. They were not the same and Bhagat singh along with two others was hanged in March 1931.They were in prison from 1929  till death and civil disobedience started in March 1930.

Thanks for the reply UMDU ji. Here's what I have to say:

1. Yes, you're right; many corporations have a social activism wing, but it is primarily a part of their business strategy to increase profits (there are obviously exceptions to this rule). I admit, I was generalizing the role of media corporations in social awareness, but I think most of us would agree that this generalization is not far from the truth (just my guess). Anyhow, this is besides the point. I just wanted to point out that media corporations are more likely to care about profits than social welfare (and in some cases, social activism can equal profits). And I think we both agree on this point, but I just felt you were being too kind to star plus in your initial post Smile

2. Yep, I got that.

3. The point I was trying to make was that the revolutionaries are remembered just as much as Gandhi. Any Indian that is well-versed with Gandhi's civil disobedience strategy, is also knowledgeable of the sacrifices of revolutionaries. As far as 'relative popularity' goes, there are many different factors, not directly related to Gandhi's strategy, that make him a 'popular' personality. These include his presence at the time of independence, the support from other political figures, his popularity in the western world (in a positive light), etc. So, I agree that your theory about Sandhya's character being made to be acceptable by the masses is plausible, I just have an issue with the analogy used.

4. I don't see the relevance of this point Confused

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@MSN:- I'd like to give my opinion with whatever limited knowledge I've about Indian history.

Violence or no-violence can be dictated by person's attitude not by deed.
For e.g:- A surgeon cuts open a person's stomach; so does a criminal. The action is akin. But the surgeon's aim is to save while criminal's aim is to spiflicate.

Even a war can be violent if it's devoid for anger, hatred, envious;If the person can't be educated in any other way. War can be an act of compassion if it associates to put things in true prospective.

Likewise, Charity can be a root of violence if takes away self-esteem imposes slavery.Ouch

I firmly believe that we got freedom because of revolutionists like Bhagat Singh, Sukhdev n many more who contributed. What if Sardar Patel didn't united villages of IND???Confused

Gandhiji with his non-violence approach kya kar lete?? He became more popular because Jawaharlal Nehru appreciated him openly a lot. I see Mahatma Gandhi's role as a more spiritualist than freedom fighter. No offense to Gandhi lovers.


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