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@Tani An awesome analysis dearSmileThe episode was surely a delight to watch ,and ya the over confidence line was the moral of yesterday's story.The writers have put their best foot forward in keeping us glued throught the epiosdeSmile



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Originally posted by sashashyam

Dear Tani & Sanchayita,

I agree that Rathore was finally  given his due today, and I am glad both of you noticed and appreciated that. The ETF  is after all a team, and Rathore is a very thorough and conscientious, if somewhat conventional police officer. All he lacks is imagination - the ability to think out of the box and from under the guilty party's skin -  which is naturally the sole preserve of our boy wonder Arjun!


The second crucial point  made by Rathore was
Kevin da Costa was a Catholic, and so he would have been buried, not cremated, as Sandhya was, and so his remains would be available for a post mortem to determine if he dies due a poison. That was an even more crucial point than the discovery of the earring. It is another matter that the first exhumation attempt fails due to the 'castling' technique from chess having been very cleverly adapted to his own ends by Hiten, by exchanging the headstones.

Two other points come to mind in this context. Exchanging two such large and heavy headstones could not have been easy, and how did Hiten do this undetected in a graveyard? He would have had to work at night, and if the caretaker had caught him he would have been in trouble. If he had bribed him to keep quiet, there would always have been the risk of subsequent blackmail.


Secondly, for all his cleverness and smugness, it is Hiten who digs his own grave, so to speak, by explaining the 'castling' move to Arjun in a fit of arrogant condescension. If he had not done that, Arjun would not have been able to figure out how Kevin's supposed body turned out to be clean, and he would have been stuck.


In the end,
Hiten's ability to outthink his opponent fails, because he goes only one step, not two ahead, concerning what he assumes in an exchange of the glasses. Arjun, in contrast,  goes the full two steps - he knows that Hiten will assume that he has indeed exchanged the glasses and will pick up the other one, and he spikes him by doing nothing at all. This was  the cleverest thing he does that evening, cleverer than the acid reflux hoax, for he manages to outsmart a man whose speciality is thinking  2 steps ahead of his opponent, and this without even being a chess expert!

That passage reminded me of the showdown between Sherlock Holmes, the most famous fictional detective of all time, and his nemesis Professor Moriarty. It came down there too, in
The Final Problem,  to Holmes outthinking Moriarty in exactly the same fashion, though the actions were quite different. I do not want to bore you with more details, but if any of you is at all interested in pure detection, the Sherlock Holmes stories by Sir Arthur Conan Doyle are an excellent read even today, 130 years after the first was written.

In fact, I think Arjun has a lot of Holmes in his characterisation - with the same arrogance of intelligence, the same contemptuous impatience with lesser minds, the same abruptness and lack of social skills. But then Holmes was never part of any team, nor was he a policeman. Arjun is both, and so some fine tuning seems called for to smoothen out his rough edges , which I think is happening.

Sorry to have inflicted such a long response on you young ladies, but I am glad Tani did a special on yesterday's excellent episode, which I liked a lot, whence these amplifications that I hope you and some others might find of interest.

Shyamala B.Cowsik


 

Just loved your detailed analysis,Infact I was waiting for your analysis on saturday's episode too.Rightly pointed out it was really good to see Rathore doing his rightful part in the team.His discovery was surely something that flowed with Arjun's theory unlike other times where both of their theories contradict.The bond between them to is growing so it's a welcome change.

Coming to Hiten,as Arjun says every culprit at some point makes a mistake similarly Hiten too dug his grave .Arjun and Sherlock Holmes part totally agreed,and as you pointed out I feel the fine tuning will be done for him only by the ETF team and if Riya would have been then it would have been a huge contribution from her sideSmile

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Posted: 05 November 2012 at 1:15am | IP Logged
Originally posted by sashashyam

My dear Tani,

You are very welcome, and I was pleased that you did not find my long response boring. As I mentioned earlier, I liked your compact and neat analysis a lot, otherwise I would not have inflicted mine on you!

There was another little, or not so little plot hole that you must have noticed.
Why did Sandhya not move out of Hiten's place once she finds out that he has murdered Kevin? She does not need a divorce for that. Instead, she sits around drinking herself silly and waiting to be murdered. If she had not met Arjun entirely by chance at that party, Hiten would have got off scot free.

None of this detracts from the fact this was an excellent episode, despite, or perhaps because of the fact that there was no chase, no fight, and no Samjhe ya samjhaoon ( which is getting to be too repetitive).

And the Arjun-Roshni scene was incredibly moving. No wonder someone has noted on this forum that the Arjun we see today is not the old one at all, he has been changed beyond recall by such a terrible experience. Have you see Aamir Khan's Ghajini?  There is the same wrenching trauma at the loss of a beloved to brutal violence, but there it is physical as well.

Shyamala Aunty (I am over 60, my dear, so Aunty would be more appropriate, don't you think?)



Okay First f all Nice to meet u n NAMASTEY to u ...i loved ur analysis completely ...

...ya i was wondering dat y she didnt do nything ...
she was keeping d secret 4 so long ...

if she wud have not met Arjun ..no1 wud ever cum to know d dirty secret of Hiten


about d movie Ghajni ...i recalled d scene in which Asin was murdered...

wen i saw Roshni's death for d first tym

I think d directors r going to give sum BIG JHATKA ...wen dey will reveal d reson of her death ...
i have a feeling dat it was not because sum 1 wanted to take revenge from Arjun

will definitely b waiting For d episode 

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Posted: 05 November 2012 at 1:17am | IP Logged
Originally posted by arryline

@Tani An awesome analysis dearSmileThe episode was surely a delight to watch ,and ya the over confidence line was the moral of yesterday's story.The writers have put their best foot forward in keeping us glued throught the epiosdeSmile




the writers did a beautiful job in yesterday's epi

i like all episodes of arjun but dis was different 

i was literally glued to TV n

 i didnt even swapped d channel wen advertisements came (Which is my fav activity)

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Sandhya use dekhkar mujhe laga"thank god yeh kal marne wali hain"kitna drool kar rahi thi arjun peLOL

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My dear Arryline,(could I perhaps have your real name, unless you prefer not ?),

I am very glad that you too had the patience to read and appreciate my supplement to Tani's analysis of yesterday's superb episode. I did my last and comprehensive take on the Death of a Stockbroker  a month ago (I don't know if you had the chance to see that at

http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=3229686

), and since then, I have not done anything more, except for a heartfelt lament about Riya's completely unnecessary and abrupt removal from the scene. In this context, I agree completely with you that her continued presence would have had a mellowing effect on Arjun,  no matter how abrupt he continued to be with her. He had actually got around to saying "Riya, you are welcome"!

To revert, I did not post any more partly because the episodes that followed, up to the death of Riya,  did not offer much scope for my kind of stuff, and partly because I was a tad apprehensive about being not in tune with the vast majority of the forum, and thus boring you young people to death!Wink Since your message indicates that this is not quite the case, I will take your suggestion on board and do one on both the episodes of this week, which were a study in contrast if ever there was one, since I have a couple of more points to add wrt the latest. Perhaps also on that of the previous Saturday, which was a study in guilt struggling with maternal protectiveness. Rather like the stockbroker episode, except that this mother turned up trumps!

Please don't blame me if this ends up as an overdose; remember it was you who, most flatteringly, asked for it!Wink

Shyamala B.Cowsik

[QUOTE=arryline]
Just loved your detailed analysis,Infact I was waiting for your analysis on saturday's episode too.Rightly pointed out it was really good to see Rathore doing his rightful part in the team.His discovery was surely something that flowed with Arjun's theory unlike other times where both of their theories contradict.The bond between them to is growing so it's a welcome change.

Coming to Hiten,as Arjun says every culprit at some point makes a mistake similarly Hiten too dug his grave .Arjun and Sherlock Holmes part totally agreed,and as you pointed out I feel the fine tuning will be done for him only by the ETF team and if Riya would have been then it would have been a huge contribution from her sideSmile


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][QUOTE=sashashyam]

Dear Tani & Sanchayita,

I agree that Rathore was finally  given his due today, and I am glad both of you noticed and appreciated that. The ETF  is after all a team, and Rathore is a very thorough and conscientious, if somewhat conventional police officer. All he lacks is imagination - the ability to think out of the box and from under the guilty party's skin -  which is naturally the sole preserve of our boy wonder Arjun!


The second crucial point  made by Rathore was
Kevin da Costa was a Catholic, and so he would have been buried, not cremated, as Sandhya was, and so his remains would be available for a post mortem to determine if he dies due a poison. That was an even more crucial point than the discovery of the earring. It is another matter that the first exhumation attempt fails due to the 'castling' technique from chess having been very cleverly adapted to his own ends by Hiten, by exchanging the headstones.

Two other points come to mind in this context. Exchanging two such large and heavy headstones could not have been easy, and how did Hiten do this undetected in a graveyard? He would have had to work at night, and if the caretaker had caught him he would have been in trouble. If he had bribed him to keep quiet, there would always have been the risk of subsequent blackmail.


Secondly, for all his cleverness and smugness, it is Hiten who digs his own grave, so to speak, by explaining the 'castling' move to Arjun in a fit of arrogant condescension. If he had not done that, Arjun would not have been able to figure out how Kevin's supposed body turned out to be clean, and he would have been stuck.


In the end,
Hiten's ability to outthink his opponent fails, because he goes only one step, not two ahead, concerning what he assumes is an exchange of the glasses. Arjun, in contrast,  goes the full two steps - he knows that Hiten will assume that he has indeed exchanged the glasses and will pick up the other one, and he spikes him by doing nothing at all. This was  the cleverest thing he does that evening, cleverer than the acid reflux hoax, for he manages to outsmart a man whose specialty is thinking  2 steps ahead of his opponent, and this without even being a chess expert!

That passage reminded me of the showdown between Sherlock Holmes, the most famous fictional detective of all time, and his nemesis Professor Moriarty. It came down there too, in
The Final Problem,  to Holmes out-thinking Moriarty in exactly the same fashion, though the actions were quite different. I do not want to bore you with more details, but if any of you is at all interested in pure detection, the Sherlock Holmes stories by Sir Arthur Conan Doyle are an excellent read even today, 130 years after the first was written.

In fact, I think Arjun has a lot of Holmes in his characterisation - with the same arrogance of intelligence, the same contemptuous impatience with lesser minds, the same abruptness and lack of social skills. But then Holmes was never part of any team, nor was he a policeman. Arjun is both, and so some fine tuning seems called for to smoothen out his rough edges , which I think is happening.

Sorry to have inflicted such a long response on you young ladies, but I am glad Tani did a special on yesterday's excellent episode, which I liked a lot, whence these amplifications that I hope you and some others might find of interest.

Shyamala B.Cowsik





Edited by sashashyam - 05 November 2012 at 3:11am

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Dear Tani & Sanchayita,
I agree that Rathore was finally given his due today, and I am glad both of you noticedand appreciated that. The ETF is after all a team, and Rathore is a very thorough and conscientious, if somewhat conventional police officer. All he lacks is imagination - theability to think out of the box and from under the guilty party's skin - which is naturally the sole preserve of our boy wonder Arjun!
The second crucial point made by Rathore was Kevin da Costa was a Catholic, and so he would have been buried, not cremated, as Sandhya was, and so his remains would be available for a post mortem to determine if he dies due a poison . That was an even more crucial point than the discovery of the earring. It is another matter that the first exhumation attempt fails due to the 'castling' technique from chess having been very cleverly adapted to his own ends by Hiten, by exchanging the headstones.
Two other points come to mind in this context. Exchanging two such large and heavy headstones could not have been easy, and how did Hiten do this undetected in a graveyard? He would have had to work at night, and if the caretaker had caught him he would have been in trouble. If he had bribed him to keep quiet, there would always have been the risk of subsequent blackmail.
Secondly, for all his cleverness and smugness, it is Hiten who digs his own grave, so to speak, by explaining the 'castling' move to Arjun in a fit of arrogant condescension. If he had not done that, Arjun would not have been able to figure out how Kevin's supposed body turned out to be clean, and he would have been stuck.
In the end, Hiten's ability to outthink his opponent fails, because he goes only one step, not two ahead, concerning what he assumes in an exchange of the glasses. Arjun, in contrast, goes the full two steps - he knows that Hiten will assume that he has indeed exchanged the glasses and will pick up the other one, and he spikes him by doing nothing at all . This was the cleverest thing he does that evening, cleverer than theacid reflux hoax, for he manages to outsmart a man whose speciality is thinking 2 steps ahead of his opponent, and this without even being a chess expert!
That passage reminded me of the showdown between Sherlock Holmes, the most famous fictional detective of all time, and his nemesis Professor Moriarty. It came down there too, in The Final Problem, to Holmes outthinking Moriarty in exactly the same fashion, though the actions were quitedifferent. I do not want to bore you with more details, but if any of you is at all interested in pure detection, the Sherlock Holmes stories by Sir Arthur Conan Doyle are an excellent read even today, 130 years afterthe first was written.
In fact, I think Arjun has a lot of Holmes in his characterisation - with the same arrogance of intelligence, the same contemptuous impatience with lesser minds,the same abruptness and lack of social skills. But then Holmes was never part of any team,nor was he a policeman. Arjun is both, and so some fine tuning seems called for to smoothen out his rough edges , which I think is happening.
Sorry to have inflicted such a long response on you young ladies, but I am glad Tani did aspecial on yesterday's excellent episode, which I liked a lot, whence these amplifications that I hope you and some others might find of interest.
Shyamala B.Cowsik
Yes. I too agree on Rathore's contribution in ETF team was kind of underestimated from the very start, may be to highlight Arjun. But, his wittyness came to rise from the KalkiDevi episode. Rathore is the ideal chief for the ETF team. I think Rathore is best as he is, for its not necessary to be exceptional to be regarded as a good cop. The quality and intelligence he posses is definately praise-worthy.
As far as Arjun is concerned he is an asset for the team and the society because of his exceptionality. He is best in his own way.
I will surely try to read Sherlock Holmes. To my pity, I never liked crime-thriller stuffs. So, I am ignorant of even these world-famous writing peices. Arjun is the first of its kind I have engrossed myself in.
And your analysis is causing my interest to grow more and more to come across and discovered these loop-holes and make out the significance of each and every move. I am honoured to receive this column from your pen. And I am eager to get more and more from you in near future. I sincerely wait for your analysis. Do grace us with your columns, for we really these reviews to know more. Thanks again.

Edited by SanchayitaM - 05 November 2012 at 12:37pm

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Originally posted by sashashyam

My dear Arryline,(could I perhaps have your real name, unless you prefer not ?),

I am very glad that you too had the patience to read and appreciate my supplement to Tani's analysis of yesterday's superb episode. I did my last and comprehensive take on the Death of a Stockbroker  a month ago (I don't know if you had the chance to see that at

http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=3229686

), and since then, I have not done anything more, except for a heartfelt lament about Riya's completely unnecessary and abrupt removal from the scene. In this context, I agree completely with you that her continued presence would have had a mellowing effect on Arjun,  no matter how abrupt he continued to be with her. He had actually got around to saying "Riya, you are welcome"!

To revert, I did not post any more partly because the episodes that followed, up to the death of Riya,  did not offer much scope for my kind of stuff, and partly because I was a tad apprehensive about being not in tune with the vast majority of the forum, and thus boring you young people to death!Wink Since your message indicates that this is not quite the case, I will take your suggestion on board and do one on both the episodes of this week, which were a study in contrast if ever there was one, since I have a couple of more points to add wrt the latest. Perhaps also on that of the previous Saturday, which was a study in guilt struggling with maternal protectiveness. Rather like the stockbroker episode, except that this mother turned up trumps!

Please don't blame me if this ends up as an overdose; remember it was you who, most flatteringly, asked for it!Wink

Shyamala B.Cowsik

[QUOTE=arryline]
Just loved your detailed analysis,Infact I was waiting for your analysis on saturday's episode too.Rightly pointed out it was really good to see Rathore doing his rightful part in the team.His discovery was surely something that flowed with Arjun's theory unlike other times where both of their theories contradict.The bond between them to is growing so it's a welcome change.

Coming to Hiten,as Arjun says every culprit at some point makes a mistake similarly Hiten too dug his grave .Arjun and Sherlock Holmes part totally agreed,and as you pointed out I feel the fine tuning will be done for him only by the ETF team and if Riya would have been then it would have been a huge contribution from her sideSmile


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Myself Arya and I hope I can call you Shyamala AuntySmileWas a bit apprehensive to with your permission.

Very well said even though it's hard to define Ariya's relationship due to Riya's death and their changing equation a very well noted fact can't be denied that she affected him.

It would be lovely to read your analysis.Really looking forward towards itSmile

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