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Posted: 09 November 2012 at 10:37am | IP Logged
Originally posted by payalibm

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Originally posted by payalibm

<font color="#0000ff" face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif" size="3">i am dissapointed to read ke this thread has been converted into thoughts of a cast...</font>
<font color="#0000ff" face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif" size="3">here there is nothign stated ke asad sisiter cudnt wear jeans... and i asked my question..but none answering me...</font>
<font color="#0000ff" face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif" size="3">if islam give opertunity to evry human - no sex descrimination - then why asad stoped her from wearing jeans when he himself converted to 3 piece suit to office... because he finds office needs suit...so where in islam its writen that muslim man can change there attire but woman cant,then why he nto stoping himlsef from going to office or change in his cast attire... and if again any one says he cant wear 24\7 as nothign stated in islam then where its stated about woman to wear it 24\7... then again i will say means the leed actresss zoya her jeju and sister dosent practice islam and thats why they ahve let zoya wear jeans...</font>
<font color="#0000ff" face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif" size="3">i cant at all understand..where did the cast and islam came into this... when tis a simple MCP thought of asad and behaving like a typical indian male who behaves and thinks himself to eb the bread winner of his home...why rbinign cas and traditiona dn culture into it...this is serzillyyy beyond me to seee so many members thoughts actulyyy liking him saying no to his sister... if you all people are so much into cast then i ask evry one of you..which ever cast- i am least bother ... where it is stated to give all independence to males and all stopage to females... or anyones cast states there is no equality among human(no sex descrimantion)... lolzzz...a simple topic and here i am finding it totaly converted into a cast thought...highlyy... dissapointed</font>


I'm quite disappointed with the fact that you feel that this thread is converted into a cast issue.

Also, I would request you not to linger on a point like forever...

Sorry but the title says-Tahzeeb of Asad Ahmed Khan <font color="#0033ff" face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif" size="3">exctlyyy..you shud have pointed out at that... but you related it with cast...you shuld have remained with asad thoughts and his thinking ...</font>

It clearly indicates that here I have made this thread to throw some light on Asad's character in the light of his culture. <font color="#0033ff" face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif" size="3">a culture cant be a property of one man...as you tated darling...his culture...it can be his thoughts of tehzeb and his ideas and way of leaving</font>

Also, one does not follow everything that has been preached in a religion at times.Remaining knowing ignorant about certain beliefs has become quite popular these days.So you can't really say that one is wrong and one is right.A culture does the preaching and people follow whatever they feel comfortable with their personalities and remain knowingly ignorant with those values which they can't connect with logically.A culture always appreciates people to follow what they can from their hearts and not for the sake of showing off.
So kindly avoid pointing about what Islam says and not says in relation to Zoya and her family. <font color="#0033ff" face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif" size="3">why swetuuu?why cant i say about it when you are pointing out asad thoughts and doings and dont's in the light of islam... is asad cast different from zoya jiju cast...????</font>

You are not wrong at all Payal in saying that Asad is acting like a typical Indian male.I would better say Asad has acted like a typical male of any house of any religion of any country who would show concern about his sister partying out late night.He never said that he is going to remain with Najma and see what she does there.Also,he didn't stop her from going to lounge.The only thing he stopped her was from wearing jeans.
Yes, Islam says women should try to avoid wearing apparels that give them a resemblance of a male.
I request you not to challenge something which has been conveyed directly to all females from Allah with the help of the prophets of Islam.<font color="#0033ff" face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif" size="3">then you mean to say zoya and her family and even asad own sister dissobying there own cast???</font>Allah must have had a reason for it and I personally don't dare to challenge this thing on the basis of freedom ,etc related issues.
Man is the best survivor and possesses the capability to adjust in whatever conditions are presented before him.Over the years,Indians have also changed their thinking and adapted to the lifestyle of the west which is called modern by many people. <font color="#0033ff" face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif" size="3">who said we have adopted west... to be come modern...have you read early vedic and later vedic...you will come to knwo the surprise fact ke we were more advance then western were...lolzzz..its so funnyyy we were advanced from west 1000 yrs before and in later vedic we threw ourself behind nonsence customs and stupidity and called it necessity and importnace and god's choice...</font>
Islam has requested females to hide their beauty just like people hide expensive jewels with the help of loose clothes,purdah and decent least revealing dresses.It has not ordered anyone to follow it by hook or by crook.Muslim women have started wearing jeans and all modern outfits by making their own relaxations and adjusting their looks and attire in such a way that they look modern yet elegant in any dress they put on.
Another meaning of Tahzeeb is elegant also by the way.
When did I or anyone said that Zoya or her family is not following Islam?
AS I've said before Zoya looks graceful in whatever she wears. Plz note that her T-shirts/tops are never revealing or vulgar.
To avoid vulgarity is most important for a girl of any culture and Islam also tries to indicate that women should never appear vulgar and literally offer themselves to lustful eyes of men intentionally or unintentionally. <font color="#0033ff" face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif" size="3">exctlyyy...this is what i meant..cant his sister wear jeans with top reveling nothing...i at that time also said and i will say again same... it is asad choice asad thinking asad wants ke his sister should not wear jeans... where as you enlighted it in the light of asad islamic thought..and then i counter-attacked you if its in islam then why zoya is wearing it..if its against it what you stated then how come his jiju and appe prctising otherwise???? look did you yest. episode...in one point you stated ke for other hapiness asad sisiter is wearing jeans and thats why he stoped her,coz she not wearing for her own thoughts and hapiness...because all her friends are wearing and now she too wants to wear...then in yest. episode his other step sis was wearing entirely for her own wish and hapinesss...yet again he made her change...isnt it clear and so quit openly stated ke its asad choice..his demand...his need...his thinking... there is nothing like any cast and its belief...</font>
<font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif" size="3"><font color="#ff0000">i am extremly hurt ke you think i am directly chalenging your prophet..how can i do that...for me evry cast is n top ... for me its most respectable part of humantiy... this is what shape a human being ... </font><font color="#0033ff">yes i questiond but you are the one i questioned... coz you were not enlighting asad thoughts but his thoughts under his cast... and that made me question you ... ke if he doing things under cast as you analyised then why others are not doing it...if acording to you he is not wrong then who are doing other wise is then wrong ... thats why i said .. its asad need...his thoughts... his belief .. his demand ... there is nothing related to cast or its discremnation and beliefs ... its an individual personality entirelyyy</font>
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Asad seriously didn't commit a crime by stopping Najma from wearing jeans and going out.And plz don't keep on insisting that if for him suit is the dress for office then for Najma why is jeans not the best attire.At the end of the day,Najma has faith in her brother and since her childhood she has been looking upto her bhaijaan for all the decisions of her life.Now when she is about to change her personality by giving a try to jeans for the sake of pleasing her friends,I don't expect Asad or any brother of this world to say yes to her request in the first place.
Asad has been used to giving advices to his sister and he is the fatherly figure of this house.Had Asad been really wrong,I am sure Asad's mom must have been the first person to oppose him.She remained silent throughout the conversation of Asad and Najma because she knew that brother and sister have a great bond and can decide among themselves without her interference.Dilshad didn't say anything to Najma which clearly means that she didn't oppose the idea of Najma going out in a jeans with her friends but at the same time she understood the most important logic of her son's statement that changing yourself by forgetting your beliefs and doing this for the sake of pleasing others is highly inappreciable.You want a change do it for yourself,not for others-is one of the hidden motives of Asad's statement.

Honestly speaking, the way in which Najma asked permission from Asad was not very convincing.
Had she really been interested in wearing jeans and not redefining her personality because of her friends and lounge,her way of seeking advise from her bhaijaan must have been completely different.And as far as I have understood Asad, he does not have the heart to deny his baby sister again and again.Eventually, he must have bowed down to his sister's wishes upon a lot of persistence provided she wanted to change her dressing style for herself and not for others.

And yes I used Islam to highlight this scene other than using the typical Indian culture because unlike other cultures, western outfits and Muslim culture have always been a debatable issue.So, I thought that by using Asad's character as he is playing the role of a modern Muslim guy I can state a few points in relation to jeans western dresses and Muslim culture.
Frankly speaking,it is quite easy to consider Asad saying the statement to Najma because he is a muslim just like it is easy for you to say that he behaved just like a typical Indian.just imagine someone who has never came across Indians or the culture is watching this show using English subtitles,he will relate to this statement of Asad in the light of the culture he follows rather than the country to which he belongs.

Also, my intention of making this thread was to relate Asad's traditions with his attitude and traditions include both the religion and country to which you belong.
I have highlighted all the scenes of Asad to elaborate how I have seen his 'tahzeeb' in his actions.
I was here not to preach people about Islam but to connect Asad's traditions with his attitude and behaviour.

Well this is my point of view Payal and you have all the right to still disagree and differ from me.
After this post I really give up because Payal dear if you have decided to keep the right to freedom topmost in your mind because then I can't help you.
According to me,freedom in limits is much better than careless freedom.This is true for all boys and girls.
I would like to put a rest to this debate because I don't get any new idea of giving my logic for Asad's statement and your concerns.
Also, it would be a bit early to call Asad a typical Indian patriach just because of a single statement.
As I've said before,his character is hidden in layers and we definitely need time to unravel different shades of his character.
I request you to be a little patient and give a little bit of more time to Asad to see if he is really a conformist or a guy with modern thinking but rooted to his culture at the same time.


I apologize if any statement of mind has offended you unintentionally.I completely understand your concern and point of view.The reason why you have asked this question is completely justified and I highly appreciate the way you have put across your points.Plz try to go through this post with an open mind and don't take anything to your heart.I really value our friendship and I hope this debate won't bring any change in it.

PS-I hope u've gone through the post where I've requested you to go through some posts where people have shared their personal experiences in this thread.That is the reason I had not yet replied to your questions darling...

Anyways I'm loving this discussion a lot
Take care sweety
love you
Muah!



Replying within half-an hour.
Starting to reply to your queries now.


As I've said in my last post that I give up.I really meant doing that.
I never said that you are asking me to stop following something that has been conveyed to me by my Prophets[pace be upon them].I said that we muslims don't raise a question when we know that Allah has asked us to something.Just like we keep 'roza' in Ramadhan,the same is the case with many of our cultural beliefs.I think there was a misinterpretation due to miscommunication.LOL
All Muslim women who don't follow pardah as guided by Allah will be accountable to their creator on the judgement day.
This thread is not about a religion but the cultural believes of Asad and to explain why Asad does not likes western outfits.Muslims don't have a cast by the way.Allah never made one.For Allah all people are equal.
Zoya and her family is surely going to be accountable on the judgement day for some serious issues of dress code.I have deliberately not mentioned this thing before.If Allah has asked women not to wear clothes that resemble a men's apparel,it should be followed without a question.But then again, Allah never imposed anything on the followers of any religion.This why relaxations are seem to be adapted every single second in the way cultures and religions are followed in this globalized era.

If God wishes women to behave in a certain manner and Asad simply asked the same to his sister then Asad didn't commit a crime.I agree that this is what Asad thinks and believes.He should have been a bit lenient to Najma.But frankly speaking Najma lacks a convincing power.Had Zoya been in Najma's place,Asad's angry glares could have had no impact on her.
This is why I've mentioned in the end of the first post that Zoya is surely going to change the outlook of others towards certain things in life.
If you remember today's episode,Dilshad has said the same and I was very happy when she said that Asad needs to learn that people from a difficult culture can also be good and must be treated with respect.Asad can be a bit unreasonable at times,I agree.
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If you ask me as a Muslim girl,I would like to say that I have stopped wearing jeans after class 7th.Noone asked me to do that.I simply didn't feel like wearing it and was not much comfortable in it.
My parents encouraged me to go for kurti jeans but I could never get at ease in that dress.I've wore skirts till class X coz of my school and I certainly didn't have any problem in wearing it.
I'm just like Asad in the fact that if I stick a few things to my values,I won't let any circumstances and I any situation,place or person affect me.I can bring a change in myself only if my heart agrees for the amendment in my personality.
It's my personal request to send me a reply to this post as pm coz I don't wish this thread to get closed coz of religion based issues.

I'm glad that you are still posting your quesries and are willing to discuss this matter with such a cool mind.
That is really thoughtful of you Payal di.
I love you for being so mature and understanding .
Take care!


Edited by crazy4KASH_AR - 09 November 2012 at 10:52am

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Posted: 09 November 2012 at 2:33pm | IP Logged
@ Roshan I don't remember the page number of your post and my reserved post in relation to it.
Here is my feedback:

I agree with every single sentence that you had posted.thanks a lot for sharing a real life example.
I'm glad that you could understand logically what I was trying to say.
Thanks a lot for your wonderful appreciation in the thread as well as through pms.
The conversations which u and Zaria had were quite wonderful to read..I loved everything what you two have discussed.
this thread was created to open minds of few people regarding the culture of Asad.
I'm happy that I could do a little bit for Asad by making this thread.
I'm really grateful to you for all your love and support.
Plz keep encouraging me like this with your amazing comments.

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Posted: 09 November 2012 at 2:36pm | IP Logged
@ Raju I exactly don't remember my reserved post page number for replying to your reviews.
We disagree on a few things as well as agree on others.
I can understand what you are trying to say but calling Asad an orthodox is not correct.Sometimes people can become rigid for a particular thing and if we call them a conformist because of a single statement then that is not fair in my eyes.
Regarding what Zoya can do Asad I would ask you to refer to my replies for the the posts made by bary.I'm nsure you'll get to know my views when East meets west and both will fall in love eventually.
Thanks a lot for sharing your amazing views.I really enjoyed reading and understand your point of view.
Take care!
Kindly keep motivating me always with your sweet comments.
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Posted: 09 November 2012 at 2:47pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by crazy4KASH_AR

@ Roshan I don't remember the page number of your post and my reserved post in relation to it.
Here is my feedback:

I agree with every single sentence that you had posted.thanks a lot for sharing a real life example.
I'm glad that you could understand logically what I was trying to say.
Thanks a lot for your wonderful appreciation in the thread as well as through pms.
The conversations which u and Zaria had were quite wonderful to read..I loved everything what you two have discussed.
this thread was created to open minds of few people regarding the culture of Asad.
I'm happy that I could do a little bit for Asad by making this thread.
I'm really grateful to you for all your love and support.
Plz keep encouraging me like this with your amazing comments.



Awe that's so sweet of you :) I'm glad that you made this topic too, it really did clear the air for some people and you don't need to thank me LOL LOL It was nice interacting with you muaaahh <3

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Posted: 09 November 2012 at 3:56pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by ChocolateCharms

Originally posted by crazy4KASH_AR

@ Roshan I don't remember the page number of your post and my reserved post in relation to it.
Here is my feedback:

I agree with every single sentence that you had posted.thanks a lot for sharing a real life example.
I'm glad that you could understand logically what I was trying to say.
Thanks a lot for your wonderful appreciation in the thread as well as through pms.
The conversations which u and Zaria had were quite wonderful to read..I loved everything what you two have discussed.
this thread was created to open minds of few people regarding the culture of Asad.
I'm happy that I could do a little bit for Asad by making this thread.
I'm really grateful to you for all your love and support.
Plz keep encouraging me like this with your amazing comments.



Awe that's so sweet of you :) I'm glad that you made this topic too, it really did clear the air for some people and you don't need to thank me LOL LOL It was nice interacting with you muaaahh <3


Same here dear...
I'm happy that we came to know each other a bit better coz of this thread.
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Posted: 10 November 2012 at 6:26am | IP Logged
I liked dilshaad' s dialogue that asad has to learn that if someone's culture is different doesn't mean they are bad

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Posted: 10 November 2012 at 12:15pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by Nandiniraizaada

I liked dilshaad' s dialogue that asad has to learn that if someone's culture is different doesn't mean they are bad


Exactly Nandini.This is what I said in the first post.
When Asad and Zoya will get to know each other then both are going to bring a little change in the perception,attitude and behaviour of each other.
I'm eagerly waiting to see how Asad and Zoya will tolerate eah other for sometime in the same house before they start liking each other.
This show is getting interesting day by day.
I'm glad that all of us are loving it so so much.
Thanks a lot for raising this point here so wonderfully.
Take care!

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