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Posted: 08 March 2013 at 2:06pm | IP Logged
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Originally posted by moomin4455

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Originally posted by moomin4455

I'm pretty simple - if I can learn something new throughout the course of a debate I'm happy. LOL

What makes a good debate question? An open ended question which is known to incite a different opinion in individuals. It can't be too niche a topic where people would need specialist knowledge in order to take part; the question should be broad enough the people can put forward their views without having to have too much background information - considering this is IF and people from all ages and backgrounds comment here.




Can you really control what topic people should debate on? I would never want to put limitations or restrictions on topic just because we are all from different age group or back ground. I always believed that everyone is capable of debating on all topics, it's merely a choice! :)

Well no, I'm not controlling the debate question posed, I'm giving my opinion on the TM's original question ie 'What is a good debate question'. Apologies if the language I used made it seem like I'm issuing diktats Smile

I think many questions can become good debate questions if posed the right way. For example 'Do you like Justin Bieber'? may not be the best posed question, but 'With the rise in 'Internet stars' is talent becoming less important in achieving stardom?' could be a good one  it's broad, everyone uses the Internet, everyone knows about Biebs ie an example of an Internet star, and everyone could potentially give their views. 

I would not as people to give their views on the following: 'The Higgs-Boson particle has been putatively found; Particle Physics is at an impasse as a field. Discuss'. Too niche.




I have always believed that "how you ask the question" is a key to getting the right answer! If the debate was about "Do you like Justin Bieber?", I would have to question the TM with the following:

please specify what do you mean by "like"...
- should I debate on his looks
- should I debate on his music
- should I debate on his acting
It's an endless list of questions and debatable items on that one question!
The point being that if I am not sure about the topic posted by TM then I would just ask to clarify!

I would debate on anything and everything, as long as the topic and contents are intriguing!



Completely agree with you there! Even I would ask to clarify and go ahead and give my thoughts on a topic.

I am so tempted to post something on Justin Bieber now LOL


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Posted: 08 March 2013 at 9:47pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by moomin4455

I'm pretty simple - if I can learn something new throughout the course of a debate I'm happy. LOL

What makes a good debate question? An open ended question which is known to incite a different opinion in individuals. It can't be too niche a topic where people would need specialist knowledge in order to take part; the question should be broad enough the people can put forward their views without having to have too much background information - considering this is IF and people from all ages and backgrounds comment here.



i think it should be based on audience interest and as you're saying, we have to go with the lowest common denominator in IF.

apart from that, i think a good debate question forces starkly different choices. It's like taking sides where the two sides are opposite and don't meet or overlap. IThings like-

- are you for or against the following proposition;
- who do you think is MORE right- A or B. By using the word MORE, one cant have both A and B as being MORE right;
- should Wharton have rescinded invitation to Modi. Yes/ No? Someone who comes in with a maybe or just lists out pros and cons is not really debating. They are discussing.

just some examples where folks are forced to make choices and allows them to draw on different aspects to support their viewpoint.  And there of course has to be something that requires persuasion. Mostly we have folks trying to be informative, not persuasive. Just my opinion. 

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Posted: 09 March 2013 at 9:49am | IP Logged
Originally posted by BirdieNumNum

Originally posted by moomin4455

I'm pretty simple - if I can learn something new throughout the course of a debate I'm happy. LOL

What makes a good debate question? An open ended question which is known to incite a different opinion in individuals. It can't be too niche a topic where people would need specialist knowledge in order to take part; the question should be broad enough the people can put forward their views without having to have too much background information - considering this is IF and people from all ages and backgrounds comment here.



i think it should be based on audience interest and as you're saying, we have to go with the lowest common denominator in IF.

apart from that, i think a good debate question forces starkly different choices. It's like taking sides where the two sides are opposite and don't meet or overlap. IThings like-

- are you for or against the following proposition;
- who do you think is MORE right- A or B. By using the word MORE, one cant have both A and B as being MORE right;
- should Wharton have rescinded invitation to Modi. Yes/ No? Someone who comes in with a maybe or just lists out pros and cons is not really debating. They are discussing.

just some examples where folks are forced to make choices and allows them to draw on different aspects to support their viewpoint.  And there of course has to be something that requires persuasion. Mostly we have folks trying to be informative, not persuasive. Just my opinion. 

It's true. I think it can be difficult to have a proper debate via written comments, because it gives a person too much time to overthink their argument and add facts and other points that may not be completely relevant...or even subjective. I think I'm totally guilty of that LOL

And also people go off topic - guilty of that too Embarrassed

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Posted: 09 March 2013 at 10:35am | IP Logged
Originally posted by moomin4455

It's true. I think it can be difficult to have a proper debate via written comments, because it gives a person too much time to overthink their argument and add facts and other points that may not be completely relevant...or even subjective. I think I'm totally guilty of that LOL

And also people go off topic - guilty of that too Embarrassed

i think most people here are actually just wanting to chat on different topics, not really debate. Take those who come here thinking it's a dating/ flirting site. They're obviously not here to debate. There's a reason why sex and flirting threads run over-time.LOL. To be fair, no one is motivated to seriously debate all the time,. After a hard day's work or a hard night's extravaganza, most of us want light entertainment, not heavy debate.Smile

the other aspect is how the question itself is framed. Take the "why are fans so obsessive" thread. Purpose again seems to be to have fun. If we really wanted a debate, we'd have structured it as "are BS fans obsessive? Yes/ no?". Basically, we take our cues off the topic. If it doesn't seem like a debate is called for, then obviously folks will go shooting off in every direction.Smile That explains why i too might have gone off-topic once or twice. Maybe.  LOL

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Posted: 09 March 2013 at 12:53pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by BirdieNumNum

i think it should be based on audience interest and as you're saying, we have to go with the lowest common denominator in IF.

apart from that, i think a good debate question forces starkly different choices. It's like taking sides where the two sides are opposite and don't meet or overlap. IThings like-

- are you for or against the following proposition;
- who do you think is MORE right- A or B. By using the word MORE, one cant have both A and B as being MORE right;
- should Wharton have rescinded invitation to Modi. Yes/ No? Someone who comes in with a maybe or just lists out pros and cons is not really debating. They are discussing.

just some examples where folks are forced to make choices and allows them to draw on different aspects to support their viewpoint.  And there of course has to be something that requires persuasion. Mostly we have folks trying to be informative, not persuasive. Just my opinion. 


And what happens when you see two sides of the coin? Does that prevent you from debating...

How different are debates from discussions?

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Posted: 09 March 2013 at 1:32pm | IP Logged
Well, I'm here doing case study so I love how this place is running, provides for some interesting observations. LOL

One of the funnier things I've seen around here was someone getting upset that people were exchanging pleasantries instead of debating on a thread. Nothing wrong with being serious about a topic, but one really needs to look at where they are trying to moderate a debate. LOL

@Aarya In theory a good debate can be a healthy discussion, though it's hard to maintain it in an online setting. Most people would think of a debate as being more formal, and a discussion as more laid back. Forum debates are treated more loosely, hence people aren't as serious, or like me not serious at all most of the time, and most topics turn into all over the place discussions of sorts.

Besides that, if you're debating/ talking with a person or 2, replies can be hours, days apart. I have a hard time staying interested long enough to reply a few days, or even hours later to the same topic...for me serious replies are more in the moment. I'll be able to stay engaged if we are going back and forth somewhat real-time, but not if there is a large time lapse. You can say it depends on how passionate you are about the topic, but I don't think so. And I guess it's here when you become aloof, that most debates turn into discussions that aren't necessarily adding any more input. And I think even a relatively good debate topic can turn into a failing discussion...if that makes sense. 


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Posted: 09 March 2013 at 8:50pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by -Aarya-

Originally posted by BirdieNumNum

i think it should be based on audience interest and as you're saying, we have to go with the lowest common denominator in IF.

apart from that, i think a good debate question forces starkly different choices. It's like taking sides where the two sides are opposite and don't meet or overlap. IThings like-

- are you for or against the following proposition;
- who do you think is MORE right- A or B. By using the word MORE, one cant have both A and B as being MORE right;
- should Wharton have rescinded invitation to Modi. Yes/ No? Someone who comes in with a maybe or just lists out pros and cons is not really debating. They are discussing.

just some examples where folks are forced to make choices and allows them to draw on different aspects to support their viewpoint.  And there of course has to be something that requires persuasion. Mostly we have folks trying to be informative, not persuasive. Just my opinion. 


And what happens when you see two sides of the coin? Does that prevent you from debating...

How different are debates from discussions?


In a debate someone wins and someone loses. A discussion is much less formal - it's an exchange of ideas, but not necessarily to sway the audiences or each other's opinion.

It's hard to debate here, but I think there's definitely scope to have a really serious delve into a topic. Your posts may be interrupted by flirting, jokes, arguments Embarrassed etc. but I think people can still seriously debate/discuss.

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Posted: 09 March 2013 at 9:35pm | IP Logged
A debate can also be a discussion and doesn't have to be about winning or losing. Debating is fun but I think in this kind of a forum, most people have not signed up for that purpose. You can't force people to debate when they may just be coming here for timepass or to get their mind off their work.

Some long intellectual threads are just too much at the end of the day when you want to put your feet up. Nothing is wrong with that, everyone likes to unwind in different ways I guess. For me, it's the more light hearted stuff. I like the bollywood forum the best, so that probably means I am superficial. Tongue


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