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Posted: 05 October 2012 at 1:38am | IP Logged
Originally posted by foram.

Wow i was not knowing about the siha (lion) story. This story seems great. Can we do anything to express our views to the cvs i mean we non-hindus dont knw this much of the stories. We watch dkdm for the story of lord shiva and aadishakti. But ye cvs story aise spoil karenge to kaise chalega.
When Durgama appeared from the combined energies of Shivji, Vishuji, Brhmaji, she was presented with various weapons & ornaments. At that time Himavan gifted her Lion. She already had her vahana. This story of Kartikeya kiling an asura & he becoming her vahana is not followed in DSS, which gives story of Durgama & Ma Kali killing Mahishasura, Raktabeeja, DL, Chanda, Munda, Shumbh, Nishumbh etc. Even in the show when Paravti appeared as Durgama, she was sitting on a Lion.
Multiple versions of a story are confusing to even those who know themLOL

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Posted: 05 October 2012 at 1:42am | IP Logged
Originally posted by mnx12

Originally posted by foram.

Wow i was not knowing about the siha (lion) story. This story seems great. Can we do anything to express our views to the cvs i mean we non-hindus dont knw this much of the stories. We watch dkdm for the story of lord shiva and aadishakti. But ye cvs story aise spoil karenge to kaise chalega.

</div>When Durgama appeared from the combined energies of Shivji, Vishuji, Brhmaji, she was presented with various weapons & ornaments. At that time Himavan gifted her Lion. She already had her vahana. This story of Kartikeya kiling an asura & he becoming her vahana is not followed in DSS, which gives story of Durgama & Ma Kali killing Mahishasura, Raktabeeja, DL, Chanda, Munda, Shumbh, Nishumbh etc. Even in the show when Paravti appeared as Durgama, she was sitting on a Lion.
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Multiple versions ofa story are confusing to even those who know themLOL
ohk so this story too has various versions.tfs

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Posted: 05 October 2012 at 3:21am | IP Logged
Originally posted by mnx12

This means Lion was not given by Himavan to Durgama?
importance of Om was explained to the one, who appeared as a pillar of light between Brhmaji & Vishnuji, Om appeared as the Primal sound, which roteted around that pillar of light. Who already knew what does Om mean.
All the Puranas glorify the Deity who is the lead of that Purana, same as DKDM.The above version says It was Skanda who gave Lion to Durgama, infact she got the Lion as her vahana much before that.
 

I knew these two points would be questioned and I wanted to provide clarifications at that time itself, but it was already time for my classes.

Anyway I will first clarify the story behind the "OM" explanation. It was not as if Shiva did not know the meaning of OM. In fact he is 'Omkara roopam' himself. Even Tamil scriptures do not say that Shiva was ignorant of the significance of OM. 

I will not go into the background of the full story but will just touch on the main points. What happened was  that Skanda- a precocious five year old- once claimed that he knew the meaning and the symbolism of the Pranava Mantra. His father thought it was just a childish boast- but Murugan insisted that he was telling the truth. Shiva then asked him to give the explanation- to prove he was not boasting. 

Muruga closed his eyes and started  "OM..." but then stopped.

Muruga then pointed out that this was the most important mantra in the world and was the basis of all creation and hence it could not be uttered frivolously. Shiva was very pleased that his son knew the significance of Pranava Mantra. Shiva then asked him to simply state the meaning without actually enunciating the mantra. 

Skanda once again pointed out if even if he were to merely elucidate the meaning, he would have to be seated on a platform higher than the listener- in this case Shiva. Mahadeva in his turn pointed out that he being his father cannot obviously occupy a position lower than his son. 

Skanda's face fell. He was just a little boy and was obviously looking forward to his father's appreciation which he would have got at the end of his explanation. Now he had unnecessarily messed up the opportunity by quoting the rules.

After enjoying the lad's disappointment for a few minutes, Mahadev resolved the issue by  gently lifting and seating his son on his right shoulder. Since now, Skanda's head was above Shiva's the criterion of the speaker being higher than the listener was satisfied. Skanda whispered the meaning, secrets and the symbolism of the Pranava mantra into his father's ears.

This supposed to have taken place at a place called Swami Malai in TN. 

There are variations to this story which I will post later on... when time permits. 

 



Edited by varaali - 05 October 2012 at 3:21am

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Posted: 05 October 2012 at 3:28am | IP Logged
Regarding Simhamukha becoming Durga's lion- the points raised by Minaxi occurred to me as well. IMO, the likely explanation is that Simhamukha's soul / spirit got absorbed into Durga's lion - because as you all have rightly said Durga already had a vahana by then. Or may be he became a lion and  he served Ma Durga as a servant- not necesarily a vahana.

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Posted: 05 October 2012 at 3:40am | IP Logged
Oh so being Shivji's son it was in his genes to know what his father & mother know, may be he elaborated it better.
Even Ganeshji is explained in Om form

Why Ganesha is decipted in the form of Om

Before the creation of the present Universe there was a great deluge, pralaya. It had destroyed the Universe as it existed then. According to Hinduism, creation has no beginning or end the endless cycle continues. After a great deluge there is Shanti or peace. This peace is broken the sound OM or AUM the sound which emanates from the Supreme Soul.

The Ganapatya Cult, or the followers of Ganesha, believes that OM or Pranava Mantra the symbol of Brahman is embodied in the form of Ganesha. It is believed that Ganesh is the first word or the first cause.

This is the reason why occasionally Ganesha is depicted in the form of symbol 'Om'

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Posted: 05 October 2012 at 3:48am | IP Logged
Varaali awesome knowing about OM .. thank u  

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Posted: 05 October 2012 at 3:57am | IP Logged
Actually what Murugan propounded was not just about "om" - but it was the secret mantra which was used by Brahma for creation. The mantra which breathes life into matter- the mantra which makes a creation come to life. That's why Skanda said it could not be uttered frivolously. 

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Posted: 05 October 2012 at 4:05am | IP Logged
Originally posted by varaali

Actually what Murugan propounded was not just about "om" - but it was the secret mantra which was used by Brahma for creation. The mantra which breathes life into matter- the mantra which makes a creation come to life. That's why Skanda said it could not be uttered frivolously. 
Then it has to be different from OM. So the explanation Kartikeya gave was about the secret Mantra. This makes sense because OM was known to others & is part of many Mantras. What others don't know should be kept a secret, that's why it was explained in Shivji's ears as mentioned by you.
It's good to know the proper version to get a better idea then just knowing a part which may creat confusion.

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