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-Believe- IF-Stunnerz

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Posted: 16 September 2012 at 5:30am | IP Logged
The new Anti-islam movie some people call it ''freedom of expression'' ..I watched the trailers
Its realy offensive and I think film maker abusing other religion as a work of art...and these protest have unwittingly made this movie "famous"... Millions will now watch compared to probably 200 hitherto...dont make this movie famous and Government should ban all anti religion films, videos, speeches to avoid the repercussion later. No body should interfere with religious habits and cultures followed as faith.
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Posted: 16 September 2012 at 6:12am | IP Logged

First of all there is no excuse for violence, killing, damaging property. It results in following negative results for your cause.

1) It proves the maker of that movie right.
2) It gives more attention to the movie.
3) It increases chance of future such acts as you show yourself vulnerable.
4) In the end you are largely hurting your own property/country.
5) It is also against religion to hurt innocent

Everyone has certain thresholds. You might be okay with me making fun of Jesus but maybe you would mind if I were to say same thing about your father/mother. The problem with this freedom of expression thing is that it does not take into account all that. It does not matter you make fun of your God, your religion or take it less seriously. Others do. You cannot force your thresholds (laws based on your thresholds) on others.
Religion is a serious issue for billions of people. When there can be hue and cry to ban topless pictures of that lady (Kate) then why cant such a video be banned? When one can be restricted to speak about Holocaust then why can be restricted on this? When we cannot speak against a race then why religion? Lets not have double standards.
I think makers of such movies and cartoons know all that and unfortunately they are abusing freedom of expression to achieve certain aims (personal and political). A section of Muslim world acts as a tool for them (I wish they realize that and come up with other means to deal with this issue). Therefore it should be up to laws to sort such things out. I agree with Prometeus on that.
Sorry for edits. I am trying to allign the post lol. ok done.

Edited by King-Anu - 16 September 2012 at 6:32am

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*Dev.* IF-Stunnerz

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Posted: 16 September 2012 at 6:35am | IP Logged
no idea sorry i love every religion

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Posted: 16 September 2012 at 6:40am | IP Logged
I agree completely. There has to be a limit.

Just because followers of some religion are okay with being ridiculed or simply don't care, does not mean the followers of every religion should follow suit. 

If you make a hate message, there is no way you'll not get some hate in return. 

And for those consider limits to be a restriction on their freedoms, well just let me go ahead and take your wallet, your car, your job, your family, your clothes and leave you at the bottom of the ocean without air because hey, there are no limits, so what's stopping me?

We can dream and theorise of a Utopian society which does not need laws to keep it in check and every individuals moral compass points them to goodness and steering clear of hurting anyone else's sentiments... but since we're not there yet, we need the limits, and laws.

Enough with the Muslim bashing!

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Arwen. IF-Sizzlerz

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Posted: 16 September 2012 at 12:01pm | IP Logged
I agree guys ...

A person has a right to his freedoms as long as HIS freedom doesn't impinge someone else's rights... Civics 101 ...

I know there isn't a set standard for where lines should be drawn ... But u know u r crossing those lines when u know what u r saying or doing will hurt someone ... it is no longer a case of freedom of expression but rather one of abuse of that given freedom .. It is frankly shameful

Having said that ... some of these protesting parties are no less ... they are riling up their bases more for political point scoring and less for the offense and hurt caused .. I didnt even know about this movie before the protests started ... How many of those protesting had even seen it really? it would have been better to ignore thn give importance and attention to that @!#$!#$!# (which is what he must have been seeking in the first place.. why else make a movie on  such a controversial subject?)

Honestly.. this movie is probably no different thn the opinions of rabid haters which flood forums all over ... we only encourage them by falling for this each and every time ... I get it .. it must have been offensive as hell for people to boil over ... BUT if we ignore and not react than may be these a holes will lose interest and move on to whichever group they want to target ...

@ALL - i think i m equally disturbed by this ..

It looks too much like setting this guy up .. I mean i know he had several opportunities for backing out (and i m sure many other potential targets did back out) but wouldnt it have been better to ... i dunno get him some help? they have rare opportunities where they are able to get to some budding jihadists who havent crossed that line and they go for the kill instead instead of getting them the needed counseling via family and community and trained specialists

off course his family is to blame as well ... when they found out about his leanings.. they told him to quit it ... they should have followed up and made sure that he straightens out but guess they never thought he will go this far ...

i m confused.

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Posted: 16 September 2012 at 3:31pm | IP Logged
What I find interesting about this movie is that it was released in early August and no one knew about it. All of a sudden it was put on Youtube close to 09/11 and the used to incite people. I 100% agree that the film is a blatant abuse of freedom of speech. At the same time I feel that there is something fishy about the events that played out.

The anger against the United States in this case is completely unjustified.
- The filmmaker is originally an Egyptian Coptic Christian
- He actually lied to the actors about what the film was about and put it together shadily
- Despite freedom of speech guarantee in the states, the Feds have arrested the guy and held him for probation
- The White House directed Google to remove the movie and trailer based on their content policy - but it is Google who has refused citing freedom of speech.

I mean what else is the United States supposed to do?

Regarding the violence - had an American army base or military outpost been attacked, I would have understood it as an angry reaction. At least the violence would be directed at people who are there to fight and can fight. It is such cowardice to attack diplomats - unarmed peaceful people who are there to build relationships.

Regarding freedom of speech - It is one thing to hate a religion and want to speak to your mind. Yes you have the right to speak your mind - but at what cost? There are thousands of good people from US and the West who live in Muslim countries. They work there, they have friends there.They bear no hatred or ill will. But when people sitting safe in their country or behind their computers post hateful messages on the internet - they don't just insult others, they put thousands of good people at risk. It ends up being the US people abroad who pay with the price of their life. If the filmmaker has the guts to make the movie then why not face the consequences - why try and hide. Why let innocent people die for your freedom of speech?

The most I feel sorry for is Chris Stevens and his family. He was a good man and a good ambassador. He spent much of his time in the Middle East. He spoke Arabic fluently and was committed to bridging the gap between US and the Middle East. He was learning Farsi because he dreamed of being the first diplomat back to Tehran when US could reestablish amicable ties with Iran. The common people in Benghazi really respected him and believed he would do them good in rebuilding the nation. The violent protesters did not kill any enemies - they killed their closest ally instead.

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Posted: 17 September 2012 at 11:21am | IP Logged

Mischiefmongers will use any opportunity available to them. The pertinent question is  should there be censorship of freedom of expression? Is the world  ready for this freedom? A particular culture may be receptive but the multicultural nature and global implications need to be considered.

The filmmaker may be an Egyptian but unlikely that he would have been able to make that film in Egypt. Its the "freedom of speech and expression" in US that made it possible in the US. The White House in all probability  felt the heat of its policy of unbridled freedom of everything and therefore arrested the guy who  was only exercising his rights in the US.

 It has always been the vulnerable innocent group that gets targeted in such mindless violence. It happenned during the holocast,  post Godhra incident  riots in  Gujarat,  recently in the NE states of India, terror attacks in  Pakistan,   ..and so on

Makes one wonder who exactly is to be held responsible for all such killings!


1.     The people who made  the movie

2.     The actors in it

3.     The media circulating it to the public

4.     People using it to promote hatred

5.     People succumbing and reacting violently to the provocation

6.     Govt that failed to anticipate such a reaction and take preventive steps

7.     The victims- could they in anyway have  contributed to their fate

8.     The general public as a mute spectator who is forced to take it all in its stride

While its sad that an innocent US diplomat lost his life it is a fact that  thousands of other innocents belonging to other nationalities have been victims of similar mindless killings time and again. Terrorism knows no boundaries . Perhaps the US is beginning to realise that it is no longer as secure as it once believed.  

While freedom of speech needs to be encouraged it should be borne in mind that the right is not absolute and some censorship would be in order considering the potential for misuse by rouge elements at least till the time it is felt that there is a mature audience out there that can think for itself and not give in to provocation at the drop of a hat. Under the pretext  of self righteousness the harm caused to the innocents is often callously disregarded.

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