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Posted: 09 September 2012 at 6:09pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by JanakiRaghunath

Amazing topic, Anisha!
 
Very well written and great examples provided.ClapClap You asked this question "Do you think it's okay to slightly satirize/poke fun at religion in mainstream cinema? Even if no harm/malice is intended?" My answer is NO, because religion is a route taken to achieve self-actualization for many people and when one pokes fun at it, it's an indirect way of looking down on religious people as if their beliefs are regressive and belonging to the "stone age". My feelings exactly! I've been noticing a trend of making fun of religious people in the media. At first my instinct was to just brush it off and move on with life, but it's SO recurrent nowadays that it's getting annoying and I had to speak up. Actually, this point is better illustrated by Shivang bhaiyya's example than mine. If you watch 1:02 to 1:22 of the the second video in the first post, you will see the extent of this unfortunate mockery. Ouch And I hate it when modern people dismiss religion as a thing of the past. Personally, I like to think of myself as pretty "modern" and open-minded, but I still love my religion and respect old customs along with embracing the new. Many modern people nowadays think belonging to a religion as regressive, and that they are "spiritual" but not religious. And I honestly don't understand how one can be "spiritual" but not "religious." The core of spirituality is religion. Some people say that they're spiritual in the sense that they believe everything in the universe is interconnected and that they are a part of it (or something along those lines) but that sounds hypocritical in itself. Without a God, the universe would be nothing but a mere collection of inanimate objects. I can respect even atheistic people as long as they do not mock religion but do not believe in it for their own personal reasons, but I cannot and will not respect someone who is apparently "modern" and thinks that requires them to criticize religion and God. When one becomes educated, they should behave in a manner that shows them to be educated but often, so many educated people behave in an uneducated, disrespectable manner that in no way places them on a higher pedestal than uneducated folk. Learning and believing in science does not mean we shun God in our lives, as so many people wrongly think.
 
But the worst thing is that media nowadays supports such behavior. So often in movies we see characters remark, "Pray to Ram, not Krishna, because Ram was an eka patnivrat whereas Krishna had many wives" as if praying to Lord Krishna would make their husband have affairs.Ouch Another remark is "Ram banished his pregnant wife to the forests, so if we take Ram Rajya as an ideal the woman in our nation will become destitute" or "Ram himself asked Sita to give an agni pariksha so why is it wrong for a husband nowadays to doubt his wife when she's out of his sight?".Disapprove
 
Also, music is a big thing as you demonstrated through the videos you posted. The Raghupati Raghav Raja Ram tune from KKHH is so shocking and a total mockery of the beautiful song!Dead It also teaches the youth that the elderly are the religious folk and the youth should be "modern" in thinking or else they will not be accepted by society.
 
Here are some videos I myself would like to share from tollywood that insult religious and/or specific Gods.
 
A "modern" rendition of Govind Bolo Hari Gopal Bolo:
 
Watch from 2:40 - 3:40:
 
^^In the above video, the wife suspects her husband has a mistress and he swears on God that he doesn't. She asks him which God he swears on and he says Krishna. She yells at him again saying, "So you have not one, but many set-ups?!" Before he quickly changes his answer to Ram.
 
I saw the second video and I noticed what you meant Ouch I understand it was supposed to be funny and that there have to be moments in films in which the audience finds some humor, but this is a perfect example of humor in bad taste. No one should make fun of God, whether they believe in God or not. And humor can be created in many other ways. This wasn't funny at all.
And as a whole, I think the media should have a sense of social responsibility. Progress doesn't mean sacrificing treasures such as belief and devotion. Having a more secular/science-based view towards life is exactly what these kinds of portrayals encourage. I know many Indians that go to my uni that are atheist/not religious, and I think it's partly because of what they've been used to seeing their whole life. It's quite sad actually.


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Posted: 09 September 2012 at 7:13pm | IP Logged
Very good topic

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Posted: 10 September 2012 at 1:27am | IP Logged
Good Topic. Actually I am not an avid movie watcher so I can't give appropriate (or inappropriate, should I say)  examples from films  but I do dislike the flippant and cavalier way in which rituals and religion is used in serials. Most of them are blatantly wrong and inaccurate, but the public seems to lap it up. Sad.

But there is one thing I would like to say - Producers and directors will think a thousand times before using , say, Muslim or Christian religious symbols in such a careless or irreverent manner


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Posted: 10 September 2012 at 5:14am | IP Logged
You're Right. It's Disgusting !!!

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Posted: 10 September 2012 at 6:29am | IP Logged

Aweosme topic Anisha! Clap 

I agree...it is NOT ok to slightly satirize/poke fun at religion in mainstream cinema. To me, it's totally disgusting.Dead I get angry when I see the carelessness with which religion and devotion is depicted in these "modern" films! Do they even realise the harm they're doing? Ouch

Here are some more examples:

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUBiAy8NB7U[/YOUTUBE]

DL:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUBiAy8NB7U

^ The popular Dum Maaro Dum...tell me, who after watching this wouldn't think people chanting "Hare Krishna Hare Ram" are a bunch of doped up hippies?!


DL: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CMBCfxN1lU

^ The even more disgusting remix of Dum Maaro Dum! 




How often in films do we see devotees of Shivji all high on bhang and making utter fools of themselves?! And how many real devotees behave like this?
 





 
 


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Posted: 10 September 2012 at 7:48am | IP Logged
A very good topic.
I loved the movie Kuch kuch hota hai but i was shocked when i saw the remix version of Raghupati Raghav Raja Ram.I felt the way they showed it,they are giving this message that,'IT'S COOL TO MAKE BHAJANS POP SONGS'Deadwhich was totally disgusting.At that time,i was wondering how come no one objected to the song.Actually the song deserved to be deleted from the movie as it's totally disgusting.
Another example was in the movie,Shaadi No.1 where the hero tells his wife that u pray to Lord Krishna who has many wives so u should not object if ur husband marries again.AngryIn the next scene,she started praying to Lord Ram to teach her husband a 'lesson'.The makers showed Lord Krishna as polygamous and an inspiration for such loose character husbands.
In the movie Masti,the hero makes fun of his wife because she spends all her time doing poojas and bhakti of Gods as if doing that is a sin.
 
Another recent example is this popular song from the movie Cocktail.The words 'Tum hi ho bandhu,sakha tumhi' are taken from one old Krishna bhajan and made it a hip hop song.This too is disgusting.They made these lines impure the way they showed them in the song.
 
I am wondering people object to sex,violence in movies but how come no one objects when people make a mockery of God and bhajans.If someone would have objected to the use of Raghupati Raghav...in kuch kuch hota hai then other makers wouldn't have dared to do all these.

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I currently am a DT member of Saubhagyavati Bhava, which once rivaled DkDM as the #1 show on LifeOK.  There is one thing about that serial that rubs me the wrong way, and actually had me reported to my own DT when I pointed it out.

The story essentially was themed around domestic violence - a girl named Jhanvi is tormented by her husband Viraj for months, gets raped by him, becomes pregnant and loses her child when he beats her in her pregnant condition.  After that point, she, along w/ her MIL, makes good her escape, but her car crashes, & her MIL is killed.  W/ the help of Viraj's doctor who revealed to them that he had an OCPD disorder, she faked her death, fled to another city under an assumed name Sia, and found another guy (the other lead of the serial), whose name is Raghav.  He sheltered her, and her husband secretly discovered her whereabouts and stalked her.  Several months later, she told Raghav about it, and after a whole series of convoluted events, Viraj was exposed, arrested and sent to jail.  She applied for a divorce, and in today's episode, finally got it.

Now, since his name is Raghav, and her (assumed) name is Sia, the serial casts their relationship as a Rama-Sita relationship.  I support her getting a divorce from her husband and marrying Raghav, but I've had a real beef w/ this Rama-Sita theme to their romance, since the parallels b/w them are just not there.  I once pointed out that if Jhanvi/Sia was Sita, then logically, that would make her husband Viraj Rama, not Raghav, and I was reported  to my DT for equating Rama to a rapist Dead  Somehow, not many recognize how odious the comparison is, even putting aside the fact that Jhanvi is nothing compared to Sita, nor is Raghav to Rama.  But whenever the serial shows an action sequence of Raghav, it plays in rap-like notes 'Raghupati Raghav Raja Rama' and has made that almost Raghav's second ID. Dead

Aside from that, I agree w/ Varaali's views on this.  I don't watch movies, but yeah, they'd be a lot less fast & loose w/ mocking religions other than Hindu.  I disagree w/ her a bit on Christianity, since throughout the West, the DaVinci Chronicles were freely shown, and all that Christian groups did were to appeal to their flock to boycott it, which is a perfectly legitimate appeal.  In India, that movie was banned only in a few states, making India the only country to go any length against an anti-Christian movie.

But yeah, either mock ALL religions, or mock NONE.


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Originally posted by .Vrish.

I currently am a DT member of Saubhagyavati Bhava, which once rivaled DkDM as the #1 show on LifeOK.  There is one thing about that serial that rubs me the wrong way, and actually had me reported to my own DT when I pointed it out.

The story essentially was themed around domestic violence - a girl named Jhanvi is tormented by her husband Viraj for months, gets raped by him, becomes pregnant and loses her child when he beats her in her pregnant condition.  After that point, she, along w/ her MIL, makes good her escape, but her car crashes, & her MIL is killed.  W/ the help of Viraj's doctor who revealed to them that he had an OCPD disorder, she faked her death, fled to another city under an assumed name Sia, and found another guy (the other lead of the serial), whose name is Raghav.  He sheltered her, and her husband secretly discovered her whereabouts and stalked her.  Several months later, she told Raghav about it, and after a whole series of convoluted events, Viraj was exposed, arrested and sent to jail.  She applied for a divorce, and in today's episode, finally got it.

Now, since his name is Raghav, and her (assumed) name is Sia, the serial casts their relationship as a Rama-Sita relationship.  I support her getting a divorce from her husband and marrying Raghav, but I've had a real beef w/ this Rama-Sita theme to their romance, since the parallels b/w them are just not there.  I once pointed out that if Jhanvi/Sia was Sita, then logically, that would make her husband Viraj Rama, not Raghav, and I was reported  to my DT for equating Rama to a rapist Dead  Somehow, not many recognize how odious the comparison is, even putting aside the fact that Jhanvi is nothing compared to Sita, nor is Raghav to Rama.  But whenever the serial shows an action sequence of Raghav, it plays in rap-like notes 'Raghupati Raghav Raja Rama' and has made that almost Raghav's second ID. Dead

Aside from that, I agree w/ Varaali's views on this.  I don't watch movies, but yeah, they'd be a lot less fast & loose w/ mocking religions other than Hindu.  I disagree w/ her a bit on Christianity, since throughout the West, the DaVinci Chronicles were freely shown, and all that Christian groups did were to appeal to their flock to boycott it, which is a perfectly legitimate appeal.  In India, that movie was banned only in a few states, making India the only country to go any length against an anti-Christian movie.

But yeah, either mock ALL religions, or mock NONE.
This trend has been started by Ekta maiya.For higher trps,she glorified her lead characters to such an extent that they were literally Gods and Godesses in the garb of humans,specially the heroines.LOLI used to watch her serials,kyunki,kahani and kasauti long back.whenever the heroines of these serials are shown even walking,'Ya devi sarvabhuteshu..."bhajan would come in the background as if they are Godesses walking on the earth.LOLLOLLOL
Whenever the hero and heroinw would meet after 20 years leap,"Ram Ram Jai Sita Ram"bhajan would play in the background as if Ram and Sita met with each other after 20 long years of vanvaas.LOLOther serials copied this theme and today it has become one more trend.I used to hate it when the lead characters in her serials were compared with Gods.
I am wondering when this trend will fade away.  

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