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Originally posted by Kalapi

Vgiri...I am sure there all sorts of love stories...am sure there are people who could love to be challenged in front of all and sundry and even in front of his own employees to the point he is belittled in front of his own employees. I am sure Arjun could have loved to be slapped in future by MIL as MAnav has been countless times. I am sure like MAnav, Arjun couldn't mind been pulled to court on criminal charges and his very integrity challenged. Yes, they are all sorts of love stories and some men as you said loved to be humiliated, surely they feel rejuvenated...but if I am that man, I couldn't liked to be given up at the altar for the future MIL or be humiliated in public...if Arjun is that Man so be it...if this is the type of men you like, so be it...to each his/her own...but, me, I am definitely not...I will not give up on my identify as a person, or will liked to be pulled to court by the person claiming to love me on false charges, nor given up on at the very last minute by the person who made tall claims on love. If this is love, I could rather prefer to remain loveless for the rest of my life. But, am lucky, the love of my life never wanted me to change to fit with him...glad of it...blessed I feel after watching PR.Big smile..

To me, Ovi wasn't a spoilt brat. To me Ovi love wasn't that obsession. Love is different to different people and is too complex to define on a set of parameters. To me Ovi's love wasn't obsession, and for her love she was willing to fight. Living in Canada, probably have taught her that, since young people do go out for what they want ruthlessly and actually, I appreciate that nature in them. They do not take no for an answer neither lying down nor let someone else decide their future on their behalf. Maybe, I am that kind of a character myself and that is why I could identify with her. Besides, she accepted Arjun as is, never wanted him to change...of course going fwd the Cvs might destroy her character...but that is a different story altogether, my dear...Besides, can you tell me what 'depth of Arjun and Purvi's love did Ovi witness so far...Purvi sold that 'depth of love' like an eggplant or a potato, if I may that easily without a gun to her head..

 Besides, to you it might be that love only equates to sacrifices, in my dictionary it isn't. Sorry to disagree. Besides, can you tell me what is the 'great depth of Arjun and Purvi 's love according to you? Is that depth includes Arjun giving up his Dad like a hot potato to prove himself. Sorry, I beg again to disagree, if loves needs people to give up on their identity, the identity that ones inherits due to birth, I am not sure I think that as 'depth of love'. To me Arjun was obsessed with the first girl he met in his trip to India. That is all. Besides, how is Purvi's love that great, that she couldn't accept Arjun as he was?  Is that love to you that you think, 'oh this is a good guy, but I need to change him to fit myself in order to love him'. Sorry, to me that isn't love. Is that love to you that Purvi planned and administered the marriage of her fiance to Ovi meticulously and planned it so well with emotional blackmail that Arjun couldn't back off?

Sorry, this might be love to you, but it isn't love to me. So, since our definition of love differs so much, maybe it is futile to discuss love between us. Sorry, again to disagree...Big smile

 
 
 
 
Kalapi.. Great post.. very well stated.. but unfortunately I have to disagree with your POV.

 

First .. Very common one..If a Leo fall in love with another Leo, this is what happens.. and they are very successful at their work, love and life. Some guys do like challenging girls, they do not take it as a threat to their business or ego.

But what I find problematic with this great love story is that love started with fights after fights and then suddenly both just out of the blue 'fell' in love .

 

 

Second, This point is absolutely correct.. but is this the way Arjun-Purvi relationship or Arjun's "sweet" talks with Ovi are portrayed in the show.. No..Arjun tried his best to contact Ovi to tell her abou t his change of mind and WE all know from day one that Arjunwas neverin love with Ovi and Ovi was the one pushed/tricked him to get engaged to her.

All of a sudden, Prince Arjun startsfeeling forPurvi romantically..Mind you he is already 'engaged' as the familes have agreed to,to be married with someone else, Not a thought about his current predicament, or a feeling of guilt or a conscious dilemma.

 

 

If Ovitruly lovesArjun then I would agree with rest of your argument. But shehas behaved like a spoilt brat. Even after knowing the depth of Arjun - Purvi's love,she went after him. Arjun is not a toy here. Have u seen kids who throw tantrums and cry for a toy in the mall, so to avoid embarassment parents buy that toy.. Ovi has done something like that and gotten Arjun. It is def. not   "fighting spirit in getting her love"

If you think what Ovi has for Arjun is Love, plz define that..

For the following one.. This is perfect for Arjun but not for Ovi..what she has isObsession.

'when you want something with all your heart, even the heavens will pull all forces to get it to you'

 

Today.. looks/feels as if..all of them (Arjun/Purvi/Ovi) are selfish..

 

(tried editing with Galaxy Note.. )



Edited by vgiri - 10 September 2012 at 7:14am

Dear Kalapi & Dabull
 
I haven't been watching PR from the beginning, just started 7 or 8 months back.. precisely from ARVI track. so I am not going to keep ARMAN track in mind and discuss my point..
 
Some of the events are over dramatic, we all know that.. I dont think employees can behave like  the way Purvi behaved at work, and employers can  never treat employees like the way Arjun did.. so please put that detail aside and take that they both are equally  Intelligent, go getters, very assertive and very good at their work.
 
What Arjun had for Purvi (or vice versa) is love from my POV.(it could be infatuation from you pov) They care (or cared !!!)  for each other, up until this marriage deal they stood for each other, worked together towards their goal. They wanted to get married with elders blessings, more than that they were happy together, enjoyed each other's company.
 
Why Arjun is not the old AK..it was his choice to change, he wanted to bridge the gap between him and Purvi so he did. Purvi also changed, she stopped being arrogant.
We all change through out our life time, our social exposure changes our perspective towards things. so plz do not question that..
Ovi never asked him to change!!!  Did she even know where he was wrong or right? She just wanted be a very good Trophy wife. Wink
 
With regard to Ovi, What Ovi had for Arjun is a one sided Love or infatuation.. you can call it anyway u want..yes he agreed to marry her, got engaged to her, and even got her bangles to hide his feelings for Purvi. Yes he mislead Ovi..But he realized his mistake and after Arjun-Purvi confessed to each other, he tried his best to clarify things.. Yes it was not an easily acceptable fact for Ovi as she was crazy about him. But these things do happen to people. Esp. for people from western countries, it should be easy to let go and move on.(assuming they are less emotional)
 Kalapi, if he had loved her before, then we can agree with her obsession.  
 
You think Ovi can convince him to love her in due course? Go for it.. I am not going to argue..
 
I still want Ovi to understand Arjun's love for Purvi and give him up. In the same way, I want Purvi to accept that she need not be Tyaagi and give up Arjun, If CVs truly believe in rishta, they will bring Arjun & Purvi together.. This is what I want to see, period. Thumbs Up
 
i never write long posts.. If we still cannot find a common ground to agree, please let it go..Big smile

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Posted: 11 September 2012 at 5:19am | IP Logged
Originally posted by vgiri

Originally posted by Kalapi

Vgiri...I am sure there all sorts of love stories...am sure there are people who could love to be challenged in front of all and sundry and even in front of his own employees to the point he is belittled in front of his own employees. I am sure Arjun could have loved to be slapped in future by MIL as MAnav has been countless times. I am sure like MAnav, Arjun couldn't mind been pulled to court on criminal charges and his very integrity challenged. Yes, they are all sorts of love stories and some men as you said loved to be humiliated, surely they feel rejuvenated...but if I am that man, I couldn't liked to be given up at the altar for the future MIL or be humiliated in public...if Arjun is that Man so be it...if this is the type of men you like, so be it...to each his/her own...but, me, I am definitely not...I will not give up on my identify as a person, or will liked to be pulled to court by the person claiming to love me on false charges, nor given up on at the very last minute by the person who made tall claims on love. If this is love, I could rather prefer to remain loveless for the rest of my life. But, am lucky, the love of my life never wanted me to change to fit with him...glad of it...blessed I feel after watching PR.Big smile..

To me, Ovi wasn't a spoilt brat. To me Ovi love wasn't that obsession. Love is different to different people and is too complex to define on a set of parameters. To me Ovi's love wasn't obsession, and for her love she was willing to fight. Living in Canada, probably have taught her that, since young people do go out for what they want ruthlessly and actually, I appreciate that nature in them. They do not take no for an answer neither lying down nor let someone else decide their future on their behalf. Maybe, I am that kind of a character myself and that is why I could identify with her. Besides, she accepted Arjun as is, never wanted him to change...of course going fwd the Cvs might destroy her character...but that is a different story altogether, my dear...Besides, can you tell me what 'depth of Arjun and Purvi's love did Ovi witness so far...Purvi sold that 'depth of love' like an eggplant or a potato, if I may that easily without a gun to her head..

 Besides, to you it might be that love only equates to sacrifices, in my dictionary it isn't. Sorry to disagree. Besides, can you tell me what is the 'great depth of Arjun and Purvi 's love according to you? Is that depth includes Arjun giving up his Dad like a hot potato to prove himself. Sorry, I beg again to disagree, if loves needs people to give up on their identity, the identity that ones inherits due to birth, I am not sure I think that as 'depth of love'. To me Arjun was obsessed with the first girl he met in his trip to India. That is all. Besides, how is Purvi's love that great, that she couldn't accept Arjun as he was?  Is that love to you that you think, 'oh this is a good guy, but I need to change him to fit myself in order to love him'. Sorry, to me that isn't love. Is that love to you that Purvi planned and administered the marriage of her fiance to Ovi meticulously and planned it so well with emotional blackmail that Arjun couldn't back off?

Sorry, this might be love to you, but it isn't love to me. So, since our definition of love differs so much, maybe it is futile to discuss love between us. Sorry, again to disagree...Big smile

 
 
 
 
Kalapi.. Great post.. very well stated.. but unfortunately I have to disagree with your POV.

 

First .. Very common one..If a Leo fall in love with another Leo, this is what happens.. and they are very successful at their work, love and life. Some guys do like challenging girls, they do not take it as a threat to their business or ego.

But what I find problematic with this great love story is that love started with fights after fights and then suddenly both just out of the blue 'fell' in love .

 

 

Second, This point is absolutely correct.. but is this the way Arjun-Purvi relationship or Arjun's "sweet" talks with Ovi are portrayed in the show.. No..Arjun tried his best to contact Ovi to tell her abou t his change of mind and WE all know from day one that Arjunwas neverin love with Ovi and Ovi was the one pushed/tricked him to get engaged to her.

All of a sudden, Prince Arjun startsfeeling forPurvi romantically..Mind you he is already 'engaged' as the familes have agreed to,to be married with someone else, Not a thought about his current predicament, or a feeling of guilt or a conscious dilemma.

 

 

If Ovitruly lovesArjun then I would agree with rest of your argument. But shehas behaved like a spoilt brat. Even after knowing the depth of Arjun - Purvi's love,she went after him. Arjun is not a toy here. Have u seen kids who throw tantrums and cry for a toy in the mall, so to avoid embarassment parents buy that toy.. Ovi has done something like that and gotten Arjun. It is def. not   "fighting spirit in getting her love"

If you think what Ovi has for Arjun is Love, plz define that..

For the following one.. This is perfect for Arjun but not for Ovi..what she has isObsession.

'when you want something with all your heart, even the heavens will pull all forces to get it to you'

 

Today.. looks/feels as if..all of them (Arjun/Purvi/Ovi) are selfish..

 

(tried editing with Galaxy Note.. )



Edited by vgiri - 10 September 2012 at 7:14am

Dear Kalapi & Dabull
 
I haven't been watching PR from the beginning, just started 7 or 8 months back.. precisely from ARVI track. so I am not going to keep ARMAN track in mind and discuss my point..
 
Some of the events are over dramatic, we all know that.. I dont think employees can behave like  the way Purvi behaved at work, and employers can  never treat employees like the way Arjun did.. so please put that detail aside and take that they both are equally  Intelligent, go getters, very assertive and very good at their work.
 
What Arjun had for Purvi (or vice versa) is love from my POV.(it could be infatuation from you pov) They care (or cared !!!)  for each other, up until this marriage deal they stood for each other, worked together towards their goal. They wanted to get married with elders blessings, more than that they were happy together, enjoyed each other's company.
 
Why Arjun is not the old AK..it was his choice to change, he wanted to bridge the gap between him and Purvi so he did. Purvi also changed, she stopped being arrogant.
We all change through out our life time, our social exposure changes our perspective towards things. so plz do not question that..
Ovi never asked him to change!!!  Did she even know where he was wrong or right? She just wanted be a very good Trophy wife. Wink
 
With regard to Ovi, What Ovi had for Arjun is a one sided Love or infatuation.. you can call it anyway u want..yes he agreed to marry her, got engaged to her, and even got her bangles to hide his feelings for Purvi. Yes he mislead Ovi..But he realized his mistake and after Arjun-Purvi confessed to each other, he tried his best to clarify things.. Yes it was not an easily acceptable fact for Ovi as she was crazy about him. But these things do happen to people. Esp. for people from western countries, it should be easy to let go and move on.(assuming they are less emotional)
 Kalapi, if he had loved her before, then we can agree with her obsession.  
 
You think Ovi can convince him to love her in due course? Go for it.. I am not going to argue..
 
I still want Ovi to understand Arjun's love for Purvi and give him up. In the same way, I want Purvi to accept that she need not be Tyaagi and give up Arjun, If CVs truly believe in rishta, they will bring Arjun & Purvi together.. This is what I want to see, period. Thumbs Up
 
i never write long posts.. If we still cannot find a common ground to agree, please let it go..Big smile
 
 

Vgiri…..I still don't see yet the 'depth of love' that you proclaimed in your post before, I do see persistence in Ovi's love and her ability to get it at the end…..

Btw, so as you propose now Arjun/Purvi' marriage, so the equation so far..

1.       Arjun engaged with Ovi

2.       Arjun falls in love with Purvi

3.       Arjun marries Ovi

4.       I guess divorce happens just for the 'great love'

5.       Arjun marries Purvi

Don't know the society you live in (West or East)…but any of the societies I live in, it will surely start eyes rolling and tongues wagging. So, the sanctity of marriage isn't much to you since Arjun was totally in sense when he went through. Love or infatuation (or the physical need, I will definitely call it that then) is paramount, and you will allow, making a mockery of marriage among other things. I find even now the situation this marriage of Ovi has created; I don't even want to imagine what as you propose, will create. How could you feel, if you marry a guy, and then that guy marries your sister, I guess fun, is all in the familyWink.

 Please, don't tell me they are not sisters now, after both girls started calling Archana and Manav, Aai Baba. I tell it from what I have seen of adopted kids, they do fall within society's norms and rules. This was bound to happen anyway, even if Arjun didn't marry Ovi and married Purvi. That is why long time back, I said, Archana was totally shortsighted with this issue…..

 

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You have made it look so bad Kalapi..I am not going discuss further on this..so..Let it go..Wink

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I  so badly want the CVs to close Arjun's chapter by a raging bull while he walking down the street thinking about Purvi for 6 reasons-

1. I don't want a married Arjun chasing Purvi in the name of  some twisted Pavitra Rista.

2.There is no miserable man than him now and  all the miseries were brought by him alone ( for me, no blame game once you become an adult)thanks to him for being the biggest amoebalike  character and irreversible mistake he has made.

3.Bari beraham se dhoka kiya,spat,sold by his beloved whom he loved with all his heart,mind and soul. It is irreparable esp more after he got married.

4. His best friend brought the barter system back.I don't want it to continue .

5. I don't want Purvi calling Arjun Jija ji.

6. I can't see Ovi and Arjun together ( she doesn't deserve him nor does Purvi)

7.For the sake of Asha and Rithvik's chemistry. I would like CV to introduce a new character called Karan ( We want only Rithvik ) 

May be Laurie can help the CVs of PR who is not ARJUN in any sense but exactly look like ARJUN and make PURVI fall for Karan first .Karan brings back the misplaced heart and brain which Purvi left so deep under the Sanskari  Mahaan Tyaag water for so long!

But 1 & 7 will be my main reason why I want Arjun chapter to be close. 

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Vgiri….please explain how I made it sound so bad, I feel insulted now.

I summarized the story point-wise so far and said what you all wanted (getting Arjun and Purvi married ultimately). I posted from the POV from the societies I live and work in. I am not sure how else I could sugar-coat a naked truth that from an outsider's perspective. I also said, this was bound to happen even if Purvi married Arjun instead of Ovi and I blame it squarely on Archana for supporting any or either girls in this (you could refer to my past posts). At the end, my belief is that love isn't worth a lot of things we get ourselves into, so how did I make it sound worst than it truly is????
 
 

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You have made it look so bad Kalapi..I am not going discuss further on this..so..Let it go..

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A man marrying two sisters is not unheard of -- especially in the indian community. 
 
Actually i am sick of this but still compelled to comment - my bad!!
 
Anyway, leaviing CVs out of this (because ultimately they are the ones at fault not the characters) - Purvi did wrong, Ovi did wrong and Arjun did wrong.
 
If i were Archana - after i have slapped Purvi hard, i will go slap Ovi and tell her that it is not moralistic or ethical to force a person into marriage and you do not bargain humans like they are commodities.  AND I will tell her that if the bargaining tool was me, the mother, then i refuse to play.  I will not be treated like a commodity - if Manav wants me back, he must ask me - not my children not anyone else forciing Manav to accept me.  I have been separated from the family for 18 yeears - i have lived without my family for 18 yeears and i can continue to live without them.  Because the fact that a daughter of mine (Ovi) can do this to me, to Purvi and to Arjun, shows that she has no respect for human feelings.  I will not play ball.
 
Then I will turn to Arjun and say, to hell with society because society will say whatever they wish, they will not be living your life for you - they will say this when you do that and say that when you do this - you will never satisfy society.  As long as the marriage is not consumated, there is still time to rectify mistakes (What Vinod said made sense - that the adults must rectify what the young has messed up).  This is your chance Arjiun, you decide, what you want for your life.  You decide whether you can be a good husband to Ovi - You decide whether you can give Ovi every happiness that a wife would want and need. 
 
Then i will turn to Manav - i thought you knew me but no.  you chose to disbelief everything i said.  You think i can throw away the 18 years just like that and go to you without feeling any resentment.  Sorry, I was a mahaan for myself but i cannot be a mahaan for my daughter Purvi.  I want what is right for her.  And if i am a good mother, I should show Ovi what she did is wrong and not encourage her wrong and let her believe that she can love for two persons or that there is hope for her to receive wholehearted love from Arjun because i know Arjun loves Purvi. 
 
So i apologise to everyone but i shall continue to live my life with my daughter Purvi.  Manav - maybe there is a hope for us to get together someday but not now - i cannot even bear to be with you right now.
 
That would be what i would do if i were Archana.

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The only problem with this being that nobody 'forced' anyone to do anything . All 3 were adults and took decisions consciously they were not thumb sucking children to be
 coerced . Archana should not slap anyone and stay the hell our of this mess as either support and decision will be very painful .

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