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Posted: 06 September 2012 at 2:52pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by chikni-chameli

I think its ALSO about opinions.. everyone has their own opinions.. As humans we should respect each others opinions and not force our opinions on others.. like this family is on the couple... the world would be such a happy place if everyone would just live..and let live!! Thumbs Up

Nice post by the way!! Smile

Definitely respect opinions, that's a general rule of life :)

But, personally, I think it's a whole different case in terms of family. Family can say whatever the hell they want, but none if it is actually ever taken to heart is it? They're saying their opinion because the JV decided to come and tell them what they are doing; it doesn't matter whether or not the family agree or don't, JV have got their mind set on how exactly to save Manvi.

So it that regard, the family aren't enforcing anything upon them, and even if they are, then as being elders and loved ones, it goes without saying that they have at least that right to do so. I know my Mum doesn't agree on a lot of things with me, and she does try and tear apart my opinion in the hope hers carries more substance, but at the end of the day, she can do it coz she's older, wiser, and more importantly, loves me and only wants the best for me, so I can kinda superimpose that onto JV and the Vadhera's.

Thanks for the reply, really interesting to read what other think :)

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Posted: 06 September 2012 at 3:51pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by sabeeha

Originally posted by sonuni

Nice post Sabeeha... The older generations do have a problem with abortions... They will not accept that easily... My problem with today's episode was 'Vadhera khaandan ki khoon' dialogue.. They seemed more concerned about killing 'Vadhera khandan ki khoon'  than killing an unborn baby. As if if the baby had not been 'Vadhera khandan ki khoon' it would have been alright! 

LMAO, what else can you expect from Swamz?

Of course, she's extremely brash in her speech but she's got a good heart. The line was a bit OTT, but in her defense, the lady's been like that all the way through.

She's like Virat in that she's not very outward with her real emotions, rather leaving cryptic dialogue for her family to decipher. The whole anti-Manvi thing, it came across like she was some she-witch hell bent on hating Manvi and she'd never be apart of the family, but at the end of the day, she was ultimately concerned above all else for Virat and Virat's state after the 'inevitable' end for Mannu. In that time too, she used the excuse of family reputation, but personally I feel she uses that to hide her true feelings.

It's her way of saying that she doesn't agree, and that the baby is a part of THEIR family, so JV can't take such a huge step just like that. Surely the family have some rights too over the child? <-- Again the old fashioned thinking, joint families, etc etc.

Of course, I may just be wrong and the writers show us her true face and she's just a sour old cow destined to hate everyone in the family Wink

Do you know one instance when Swamz surprised me?Remember the scene where Swamini sees the brothers talking about Virat going to Hrishikesh. Virat says sorry to Swamz.. and she brushes it aside... She was more concerned about what Virat was going to do than the fact that her izzat was restored.. That was one instance where I really respected her! 

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Posted: 06 September 2012 at 5:20pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by sabeeha

Originally posted by *Reemz*

I'll give my views after I've seen the episode but definitely agree on the whole generation gap. I think apart from that it's also the shock value! Tell anyone you are going to 'abort' and you can guarantee you will not receive a positive vibe . Abortion means ' The deliberate termination of a human pregnancy'. Your instant reaction will be negative!

BTW what did you think of the episode generally?



The other dialogue problem I had was just the way the 'oh, doesn't matter, we can have another one' has been over used and some what trivialised to some extent. Yeah, fine have an abortion if it's a must, but the whole dialogue is just degrading the impact of the abortion - as if it's had barely any impact on them. At the end of the day, seems like the foetus inside wasn't special at all, or that every child should be given the same importance as that one had - having a kid is simple, anybody can do it. Quite insensitive to many many number of people out there who can't conceive at all and here we have two people saying that throwing away a child is nothing coz we can always get another as if the child is some toy :S

Or it could just be Viren and Jeevika trying to cope with the abortion, downplaying the child's significance in their life so it's not easier, but more gentler in letting go; but somehow I doubt the writers are that deep...

Sabeeha.. havent seen the epis after Viren's initial reaction.. just coz on convictional ground I couldnt sit through the simplistic representation.. and THIS HERE is EXACTLY WHY.. I gather that they wanna show its a catch 22 and there is JUST NO OTHER WAY.. fine then go ahead and do what you deem appropriate.. but NOT at the cost of being insensitive or trivializing another aspect.. If people are vastly disconnected on the cancer issue.. the abortion justification- of time and again repeating we can conceive again just goes below the belt.. that completely COMES ACROSS AS JUSTIFICATION.. which is insensitive on some levels.. and yes.. I thought the same.. there are loads of people out there who struggle to conceive.. no wonder there are that many fertility clinics around now.. its a long shot for us to expect the CVs to even think holistic and regard a section's sentiments.. somewhere the we can conceive defo comes across as "  dont abuse the privilege" to some couples out there.. but who cares right.. this is about the larger than life behna relationship.. sensitivity of any other order be damned.. 

having said that.. in my drama viewing experience they may even be harping on it.. to show the greek tragedy impending. .where J cant conceive or finds it hard to later on.. and the whole drama again with possible surrogacy etc.. i dont even wanna think about it.. it's like this crew has made up their mind to NOT LET GO of any medical hazard.. if making a mockery of cancer and medicine related to its treatment wasnt sacrilege enough.. god forbid they think of playing with infertility.. My best wishes to those viewers who battle such maladies in real life.. and the callousness continues..

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Posted: 06 September 2012 at 5:25pm | IP Logged
was about to say the same thing..
 
In the real world ..you would be more likely to find a donor..less likely to get myelo ablative chemo..
 
Sigh..This DRAMA ..or should I say the stunt of throwing the sisterly sacrifice in our faces..does reduce the abortion issue to something commonplace...Arghhh
 
Sisterly sacrifice could have shown in a number of diffenrent ways..really  ..to go to the extent of taking her across the world for treatment or funding it if you will..WHY does Sacrifice need to be OTT and spelt out..as if the Abortion is the only way to prove that she is the best sister ever..
 
 
and ofcourse the Court room drama to add to the martyr dom of Jeevika..
 
The problem in Indian telly is the LITERAL aspect..ab drama hai...toh Drama kar keh dikhayeen..
 
Too many loop holes..


Edited by current - 06 September 2012 at 5:27pm

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Posted: 07 September 2012 at 10:50am | IP Logged
Originally posted by sonuni

Originally posted by sabeeha

Originally posted by sonuni

Do you know one instance when Swamz surprised me?Remember the scene where Swamini sees the brothers talking about Virat going to Hrishikesh. Virat says sorry to Swamz.. and she brushes it aside... She was more concerned about what Virat was going to do than the fact that her izzat was restored.. That was one instance where I really respected her! 


She's a pretty complex character, like literally there are so many layers to her. It's probably because of her lack of transparency that I'm not too inclined on liking her but the woman knows what she wants and what she believes.

I just think that she's just not very good with emotions; she doesn't like to exhibit but rather keep to herself which proves to be her downfall because keeping it hidden becomes too much and she has many many outbursts, bit like the Virat-Swamz one when he proclaimed his love for Manvi.

Deffo not a grey character, but lots of shades of grey in her.

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Posted: 07 September 2012 at 10:51am | IP Logged
Originally posted by sonali.19281

Originally posted by sabeeha

Originally posted by *Reemz*


Sabeeha.. havent seen the epis after Viren's initial reaction.. just coz on convictional ground I couldnt sit through the simplistic representation.. and THIS HERE is EXACTLY WHY.. I gather that they wanna show its a catch 22 and there is JUST NO OTHER WAY.. fine then go ahead and do what you deem appropriate.. but NOT at the cost of being insensitive or trivializing another aspect.. If people are vastly disconnected on the cancer issue.. the abortion justification- of time and again repeating we can conceive again just goes below the belt.. that completely COMES ACROSS AS JUSTIFICATION.. which is insensitive on some levels.. and yes.. I thought the same.. there are loads of people out there who struggle to conceive.. no wonder there are that many fertility clinics around now.. its a long shot for us to expect the CVs to even think holistic and regard a section's sentiments.. somewhere the we can conceive defo comes across as "  dont abuse the privilege" to some couples out there.. but who cares right.. this is about the larger than life behna relationship.. sensitivity of any other order be damned.. 

having said that.. in my drama viewing experience they may even be harping on it.. to show the greek tragedy impending. .where J cant conceive or finds it hard to later on.. and the whole drama again with possible surrogacy etc.. i dont even wanna think about it.. it's like this crew has made up their mind to NOT LET GO of any medical hazard.. if making a mockery of cancer and medicine related to its treatment wasnt sacrilege enough.. god forbid they think of playing with infertility.. My best wishes to those viewers who battle such maladies in real life.. and the callousness continues..

Can't really say anymore; the last line pretty much sums it all up right? 

Cancer, abortion, infertility... I think they should go for euthanasia next, or better yet, bring some same-sex marriage issues in - now they will definitely excel in that. Despite the fact it will bear no connection with the plot, who cares? At least anything without sufficient plot holes would be easier on the eyes and brain.

The other thing I find quite funny is how they're just building upon the medical shitty bloopers, with layers upon layers going on top. Did no one ever tell them that you can't build a house with sand for foundations? And here comes the second wave...

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Posted: 07 September 2012 at 10:52am | IP Logged
Originally posted by current

was about to say the same thing..
 
In the real world ..you would be more likely to find a donor..less likely to get myelo ablative chemo..
 
Sigh..This DRAMA ..or should I say the stunt of throwing the sisterly sacrifice in our faces..does reduce the abortion issue to something commonplace...Arghhh
 
Sisterly sacrifice could have shown in a number of diffenrent ways..really  ..to go to the extent of taking her across the world for treatment or funding it if you will..WHY does Sacrifice need to be OTT and spelt out..as if the Abortion is the only way to prove that she is the best sister ever..
 
 
and ofcourse the Court room drama to add to the martyr dom of Jeevika..
 
The problem in Indian telly is the LITERAL aspect..ab drama hai...toh Drama kar keh dikhayeen..
 
Too many loop holes..

My main issue from the start; why even bring in the abortion?

Completely out of place and out of context, and on top of that, what was the need to show such a ridiculous and impossible situation like this to show the big sacrifice? 

You can't justify it, it makes no sense and there's no outcome from this that could be in any way acceptable to viewers.

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Posted: 07 September 2012 at 10:54am | IP Logged
Wonderful post as always sabeeha!! Khandaan ka khoon is a matter of critical aspect to the elders. Its a fact that the eldies hv lived 3/4th of their life in a stern & complex society where Crossing the Lines was always PAAP. Hence, they will, definitly will, find it difficult to raise their minds in par with the Youngies, who live in a much much relaxed society!!
& regarding the show's present condition, Well its really not up to the mark for me. Its not that there are no virman scenes, NO. Even though i enjoy the lovey dovey thing, i believe that they shud've put up an emotional confrontation btwn the couple.. I need to see that bcos it MAKES SENSE! Not even a single lover will have the courage to still put up a brave front wen he sees his girl dying. 
I still remember the one liner they gave wen he shaved his hair. "Aaj Raath Virat Khada Kardega Pyaar Ka Ek Naya Mishaal". Plain & Pure logic., The viewers will expect to see a  Virat in all his blood & Bones , In a human form, than the Pillar Virat of Vadhera house!


Edited by atthi - 07 September 2012 at 8:38pm

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