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Beautifully saidClap, the 2 sisters Purvi and Ovi have no values and respect for things like Love, Engagement, Marriage..Its just a Game they are playing and Arjun is the ball, they are tossing him from one side to the other, Ovi is playing Unfair, but Purvi happily alows it...this all is part of a much bigger game called PAVITRA RISHTA, the ppl who gave this name to the soap should get an award for "worst chosen title ever!"

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Originally posted by ARluv16

Beautifully saidClap, the 2 sisters Purvi and Ovi have no values and respect for things like Love, Engagement, Marriage..Its just a Game they are playing and Arjun is the ball, they are tossing him from one side to the other, Ovi is playing Unfair, but Purvi happily alows it...this all is part of a much bigger game called PAVITRA RISHTA, the ppl who gave this name to the soap should get an award for "worst chosen title ever!"
 
The title is a misnomer!  Nothing about this show is pavitra, sadly.

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Truly said!!!! Purvi and Ovi don't care bout Arjun… he is sach meh like a ball being tossed between these 2 sisters!!!! I also don't get why this show is named Pavitra Rishta ….. first Armaan are destroyed and now our beautiful Arvi!!!!!

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Originally posted by soapwatcher1

Kalapi, I posted my answer in the other thread but am pasting it here too :)

"Kalapi, great question and analogy.

Stepping back objectiely, nothing wrong at all in the animal world where baser animal instincts are at work. Ovi's behavior is to be expected if Ovi has not evolved and I don't think her character has, she is very much of an ego-centric selfish child that wants and screams, "mine, mine". And children personify raw emotions with no trappings of "civilized behavior" much like in the animal kingdom.

Janhvi, sory to disappoint you…what is applicable in the animal kingdom is applicable to humans too (for Man is but a glorified animals) and infact mate selections has been shown in many papers to happen in these line: Well if you are interested can do some reading as follows;

http://psyencelab.com/images/Human_Mate_Selection_Theory_An_Integrated_Evolutionary_and_Social_Approach.pdf

http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.1086/591690?uid=3739808&uid=2&uid=4&uid=3739256&sid=21101167135451

To an evolutionist, if Ovi selected Arjun just because he appears healthy and capable of reproducing (for the basic instinct of all animals capable of reproduction and continuation of progeny, Purvi selected Arjun (of course subconsciously) for both wealth and healthy for the very same reasons…yea, appears to dry and emotionless…but that is precisely how an evolutionist could look at these 2 case studies

So, the argument that Ovi haven't evolved is baseless, she rather came out strong in this natural selection…..if Ovi screamed 'mine mine' did Purvi 'took' Arjuan away from her. As a sister (if Purvi considered herself one), could she just walk away from Arjun the moment she came to know the truth…how healthy is 2 sisters loving the same man??? In this case, neither sister gave up on the man for sisterly love rather one gave up on her love for her mother and her happiness…let we have been there before…



In the real world, we don't grab a man just because he is good looking or can provide better. I would tell my daughter to leave well alone a married man, an engaged man or any man in a relationship with another girl. This solely to safeguard her happiness and also to preserve some semblance of "humanness". We do not live in the jungle, we have laws and social norms to keep peace and to co-exist peacefully. Grabbing something because you want it is like shop-lifting. If Ovi had played fair and won Arjun's love, that would be another matter entirely.

In the real world we do girls do marry married man as well as rich men...real life examples are plenty...right...from Bonny Kapoor, to Dharmendra, to Saif Ali khan...the list just goes on and on...here at least Ovi grabbed an unmarried man...and why do you think they were grabbed...not because of good looks or money??? think again, right...think about America's obssession with millionaires and billionaires, don't girls just fall for them...what about Tiger Wood's extramatiatal affair, was is love??...just look around, examples are plenty...
If Arjun can bring himself to forgive Ovi for what she did, latching on to her happiness at the cost of making him lose his, then they will make a blessed pair.

If Arjun had married a girl off the streets who was totally unconnected with this mess and who had no hand in him losing his happiness, I would insist he would have to stand by his marriage vows, forget Purvi and remain true to his wife. A marriage is not a joke. For this very same reason that marriage is not a joke, I would not want him to forgive a girl who has played under-handed tricks, used blackmail to procure him for herself. Not very flattering to her character and not promising for a future together if he ends up with a wife who has no thought for anyone else's happiness even his, except her own."
What underhanded trick did Ovi play, really.???...She gave the same deal to Archu, she didn't take it...was Purvi had a gun on her head for the deal, I didn't see one...It was solely Purvi's decision and her decision alone. Similarly what arjun did for Purvi was his decision alone...he could have just walked away...why didn't he. Now, between these 2 people trying to put their individual and very different love for very different reason to the test, do you want Ovi to suffer between the 2 ...Why...Ovi has already went through one rejection before, why should she suffer?? Isn't, Arjun responsibility to walk the talk now...he married her, it is duty and responsibility to work on the marriage both physically and emotionally...it isn't fair on Ovi, if he fails...and couldn't then he fails Purvi too...surely, she didn't want Arjun to marry Ovi just in name...so that she can continue a illegal incest relationship???? Or do you think it is healthy for Arjun now to divorce one sister for the other...as you say, what about those very marital vows???

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Originally posted by Kalapi

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Kalapi, I posted my answer in the other thread but am pasting it here too :)

"Kalapi, great question and analogy.

Stepping back objectiely, nothing wrong at all in the animal world where baser animal instincts are at work. Ovi's behavior is to be expected if Ovi has not evolved and I don't think her character has, she is very much of an ego-centric selfish child that wants and screams, "mine, mine". And children personify raw emotions with no trappings of "civilized behavior" much like in the animal kingdom.

Janhvi, sory to disappoint you'what is applicable in the animal kingdom is applicable to humans too (for Man is but a glorified animals) and infact mate selections has been shown in many papers to happen in these line: Well if you are interested can do some reading as follows;

http://psyencelab.com/images/Human_Mate_Selection_Theory_An_Integrated_Evolutionary_and_Social_Approach.pdf

http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.1086/591690?uid=3739808&uid=2&uid=4&uid=3739256&sid=21101167135451

To an evolutionist, if Ovi selected Arjun just because he appears healthy and capable of reproducing (for the basic instinct of all animals capable of reproduction and continuation of progeny, Purvi selected Arjun (of course subconsciously) for both wealth and healthy for the very same reasons'yea, appears to dry and emotionless'but that is precisely how an evolutionist could look at these 2 case studies

So, the argument that Ovi haven't evolved is baseless, she rather came out strong in this natural selection'..if Ovi screamed 'mine mine' did Purvi 'took' Arjuan away from her. As a sister (if Purvi considered herself one), could she just walk away from Arjun the moment she came to know the truth'how healthy is 2 sisters loving the same man??? In this case, neither sister gave up on the man for sisterly love rather one gave up on her love for her mother and her happiness'let we have been there before'


Kalapi, yes, I am familiar with the theories that a person chooses a mate not for the mate's sake but to procreate and make sure that the next generation (the children) are fit to survive. This is so in the animal kingdom and in real life.
So, yes, scientifically, I do believe that there is a survival of the fittest in all scenarios, at work, in life, in relationships, everywhere. 
 
Ovi has not evolved in that she has not learnt to mask her innate animal instincts, most humans tend to put on at least a fake veneer of sophistication and civilized behavior, Ovi does not.  If she is fitter than Purvi in this race of natural selection, no harm in calling Ovi base or unevolved.  She is primeval in her emotions, maybe desperation (fear of losing her choice of mate) makes her so. 
 
I don't think Purvi ever considered Ovi as her sister same as Ovi never considered Purvi as hers so agree that Purvi gave up on Arjun for Archana's sake, never a question in my mind. 
 
 
In the real world, we don't grab a man just because he is good looking or can provide better. I would tell my daughter to leave well alone a married man, an engaged man or any man in a relationship with another girl. This solely to safeguard her happiness and also to preserve some semblance of "humanness". We do not live in the jungle, we have laws and social norms to keep peace and to co-exist peacefully. Grabbing something because you want it is like shop-lifting. If Ovi had played fair and won Arjun's love, that would be another matter entirely.

In the real world we do girls do marry married man as well as rich men...real life examples are plenty...right...from Bonny Kapoor, to Dharmendra, to Saif Ali khan...the list just goes on and on...here at least Ovi grabbed an unmarried man...and why do you think they were grabbed...not because of good looks or money??? think again, right...think about America's obssession with millionaires and billionaires, don't girls just fall for them...what about Tiger Wood's extramatiatal affair, was is love??...just look around, examples are plenty...
I am not saying it does not happen in real life, murders happen, rapes happen, sadists abound, does not make 'wrongs' right though.  Yes, girls (and guys) are attracted to money and fame in the hopes of bettering their own lives, surviving. So long as they are not encroaching upon another's right or happiness, it is okay.  Do I condone Tiger Woods (not that he cares)?  No.  Do I condone all those starlets that go after married men?  No.  I realize too that the mere fact that some of the world looks askance at such behavior, does not stop the behavior . 
If Arjun can bring himself to forgive Ovi for what she did, latching on to her happiness at the cost of making him lose his, then they will make a blessed pair.

If Arjun had married a girl off the streets who was totally unconnected with this mess and who had no hand in him losing his happiness, I would insist he would have to stand by his marriage vows, forget Purvi and remain true to his wife. A marriage is not a joke. For this very same reason that marriage is not a joke, I would not want him to forgive a girl who has played under-handed tricks, used blackmail to procure him for herself. Not very flattering to her character and not promising for a future together if he ends up with a wife who has no thought for anyone else's happiness even his, except her own."
What underhanded trick did Ovi play, really.???...She gave the same deal to Archu, she didn't take it...was Purvi had a gun on her head for the deal, I didn't see one...It was solely Purvi's decision and her decision alone. Similarly what arjun did for Purvi was his decision alone...he could have just walked away...why didn't he.
There was everything underhanded about it, she did not broadcast her plan to her dad or sister, Tej.  She did not present it to Arjun either for fear of being thought badly, I am sure. Her grandmother and her brother were kept in the dark.
Yes, Arjun and Purvi both could have reacted differently than they did, their reactions were totally under their control.  That is why my original post said Purvi is no different from Ovi and that they are tarred with the same brush and that Arjun is not blameless in this.  There are degrees of blame, just like in negligence cases, they are all three liable and at fault, the contributory factors vary in very slight degrees.
Now, between these 2 people trying to put their individual and very different love for very different reason to the test, do you want Ovi to suffer between the 2 ...Why...Ovi has already went through one rejection before, why should she suffer?? Isn't, Arjun responsibility to walk the talk now...he married her, it is duty and responsibility to work on the marriage both physically and emotionally...it isn't fair on Ovi, if he fails...and couldn't then he fails Purvi too...surely, she didn't want Arjun to marry Ovi just in name...so that she can continue a illegal incest relationship???? Or do you think it is healthy for Arjun now to divorce one sister for the other...as you say, what about those very marital vows???
Do I want Ovi to be happy now merely because Arjun happened to fall in love with someone else before No.  Did I want Arjun to fall in love with Purvi when he was bespoken to Ovi? No, I didn't.  
I am looking at the present circumstance in isolation and independently with no thought given to old happenings.
Do I want Purvi to engage in incest? Definitely not. 
Do I want Arjun to divorce one sister and marry the other?  Heavens.no.  I was against his getting engaged to Ovi even temporarily, to me an engagement, a marriage, is sacrosanct and not to be treated lightly.
Do I want Ovi to be punished for blackmailing? Yes, I definitely do. I want Ovi punished for putting her needs, her happiness before all else (survival of the fittest or not) - and most definitely want her to suffer and be punished for the tricks she played to snare Arjun.  if she had somehow managed to make Arjun fall out of love with Purvi and in love with her fairly, I would have applauded her.  Not now, not after what she did.
 
@ red, Kalapi, I have responded in red to the very viable points you have raised. 


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[QUOTE=Kalapi] Originally posted by soapwatcher1

Kalapi, I posted my answer in the other thread but am pasting it here too :)

"Kalapi, great question and analogy.

Stepping back objectiely, nothing wrong at all in the animal world where baser animal instincts are at work. Ovi's behavior is to be expected if Ovi has not evolved and I don't think her character has, she is very much of an ego-centric selfish child that wants and screams, "mine, mine". And children personify raw emotions with no trappings of "civilized behavior" much like in the animal kingdom.

Janhvi, sory to disappoint you'what is applicable in the animal kingdom is applicable to humans too (for Man is but a glorified animals) and infact mate selections has been shown in many papers to happen in these line: Well if you are interested can do some reading as follows;

http://psyencelab.com/images/Human_Mate_Selection_Theory_An_Integrated_Evolutionary_and_Social_Approach.pdf

http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.1086/591690?uid=3739808&uid=2&uid=4&uid=3739256&sid=21101167135451

To an evolutionist, if Ovi selected Arjun just because he appears healthy and capable of reproducing (for the basic instinct of all animals capable of reproduction and continuation of progeny, Purvi selected Arjun (of course subconsciously) for both wealth and healthy for the very same reasons'yea, appears to dry and emotionless'but that is precisely how an evolutionist could look at these 2 case studies

So, the argument that Ovi haven't evolved is baseless, she rather came out strong in this natural selection'..if Ovi screamed 'mine mine' did Purvi 'took' Arjuan away from her. As a sister (if Purvi considered herself one), could she just walk away from Arjun the moment she came to know the truth'how healthy is 2 sisters loving the same man??? In this case, neither sister gave up on the man for sisterly love rather one gave up on her love for her mother and her happiness'let we have been there before'


Kalapi, yes, I am familiar with the theories that a person chooses a mate not for the mate's sake but to procreate and make sure that the next generation (the children) are fit to survive. This is so in the animal kingdom and in real life.
So, yes, scientifically, I do believe that there is a survival of the fittest in all scenarios, at work, in life, in relationships, everywhere. 
 
Ovi has not evolved in that she has not learnt to mask her innate animal instincts, most humans tend to put on at least a fake veneer of sophistication and civilized behavior, Ovi does not.  If she is fitter than Purvi in this race of natural selection, no harm in calling Ovi base or unevolved.  She is primeval in her emotions, maybe desperation (fear of losing her choice of mate) makes her so. 
 
I don't think Purvi ever considered Ovi as her sister same as Ovi never considered Purvi as hers so agree that Purvi gave up on Arjun for Archana's sake, never a question in my mind. 
 
 
In the real world, we don't grab a man just because he is good looking or can provide better. I would tell my daughter to leave well alone a married man, an engaged man or any man in a relationship with another girl. This solely to safeguard her happiness and also to preserve some semblance of "humanness". We do not live in the jungle, we have laws and social norms to keep peace and to co-exist peacefully. Grabbing something because you want it is like shop-lifting. If Ovi had played fair and won Arjun's love, that would be another matter entirely.

In the real world we do girls do marry married man as well as rich men...real life examples are plenty...right...from Bonny Kapoor, to Dharmendra, to Saif Ali khan...the list just goes on and on...here at least Ovi grabbed an unmarried man...and why do you think they were grabbed...not because of good looks or money??? think again, right...think about America's obssession with millionaires and billionaires, don't girls just fall for them...what about Tiger Wood's extramatiatal affair, was is love??...just look around, examples are plenty...
I am not saying it does not happen in real life, murders happen, rapes happen, sadists abound, does not make 'wrongs' right though.  Yes, girls (and guys) are attracted to money and fame in the hopes of bettering their own lives, surviving. So long as they are not encroaching upon another's right or happiness, it is okay.  Do I condone Tiger Woods (not that he cares)?  No.  Do I condone all those starlets that go after married men?  No.  I realize too that the mere fact that some of the world looks askance at such behavior, does not stop the behavior . 
If Arjun can bring himself to forgive Ovi for what she did, latching on to her happiness at the cost of making him lose his, then they will make a blessed pair.

If Arjun had married a girl off the streets who was totally unconnected with this mess and who had no hand in him losing his happiness, I would insist he would have to stand by his marriage vows, forget Purvi and remain true to his wife. A marriage is not a joke. For this very same reason that marriage is not a joke, I would not want him to forgive a girl who has played under-handed tricks, used blackmail to procure him for herself. Not very flattering to her character and not promising for a future together if he ends up with a wife who has no thought for anyone else's happiness even his, except her own."
What underhanded trick did Ovi play, really.???...She gave the same deal to Archu, she didn't take it...was Purvi had a gun on her head for the deal, I didn't see one...It was solely Purvi's decision and her decision alone. Similarly what arjun did for Purvi was his decision alone...he could have just walked away...why didn't he.
There was everything underhanded about it, she did not broadcast her plan to her dad or sister, Tej.  She did not present it to Arjun either for fear of being thought badly, I am sure. Her grandmother and her brother were kept in the dark.
Yes, Arjun and Purvi both could have reacted differently than they did, their reactions were totally under their control.  That is why my original post said Purvi is no different from Ovi and that they are tarred with the same brush and that Arjun is not blameless in this.  There are degrees of blame, just like in negligence cases, they are all three liable and at fault, the contributory factors vary in very slight degrees.
Now, between these 2 people trying to put their individual and very different love for very different reason to the test, do you want Ovi to suffer between the 2 ...Why...Ovi has already went through one rejection before, why should she suffer?? Isn't, Arjun responsibility to walk the talk now...he married her, it is duty and responsibility to work on the marriage both physically and emotionally...it isn't fair on Ovi, if he fails...and couldn't then he fails Purvi too...surely, she didn't want Arjun to marry Ovi just in name...so that she can continue a illegal incest relationship???? Or do you think it is healthy for Arjun now to divorce one sister for the other...as you say, what about those very marital vows???
Do I want Ovi to be happy now merely because Arjun happened to fall in love with someone else before No.  Did I want Arjun to fall in love with Purvi when he was bespoken to Ovi? No, I didn't.  
I am looking at the present circumstance in isolation and independently with no thought given to old happenings.
Do I want Purvi to engage in incest? Definitely not. 
Do I want Arjun to divorce one sister and marry the other?  Heavens.no.  I was against his getting engaged to Ovi even temporarily, to me an engagement, a marriage, is sacrosanct and not to be treated lightly.
Do I want Ovi to be punished for blackmailing? Yes, I definitely do. I want Ovi punished for putting her needs, her happiness before all else (survival of the fittest or not) - and most definitely want her to suffer and be punished for the tricks she played to snare Arjun.  if she had somehow managed to make Arjun fall out of love with Purvi and in love with her fairly, I would have applauded her.  Not now, not after what she did. [/QUOTE]
 
@ red, Kalapi, I have responded in red to the very viable points you have raised. 
 

Janhvi, here is a list of 'emotional blackmails' that happened to date...

1.       Sachu emotionally blackmails Archu, who jumps happily to fulfill his demand. Outcome of his demand, I guess his longings to have a fully functional family to his bio mom..

Audience reaction: not happy that Archu conceded, generally

2.       Purvi emotionally blackmails Ajun to marry Ovi. The person gaining from such act is Archu followed by Sulo for the patch up...

3.       Purvi emotionally blackmails Manav for being there for Kanyadaan as 'baba'. Purvi gains by this this demand, her longings to have a male figure filling that role. Audience reaction, I think mostly neutral,

4.       Archu emotionally blackmails constantly Madhuri to give her 'legal' status of a wife, her son in the process becomes illegitimate. The person who gains most was Vaishu followed by Karanjkar household.  

5.       Archu emotionally blackmailing constantly MAna for Purvi's KAnyadaan. The person gaining from this act if Purvi and Archu (as Manav finally acted as Purvi's dad)

6.       DK emotionally blackmailing Manav to do Purvi's Kanyadaan. Gain here is still Karankjkars and Dk/Arjun, as manav gives formal acceptance and daughter status to Purvi

7.       Ovi emotionally blackmailing first Archana followed by Purvi. Gain here is Ovi and Desmukhs.

So, my question here is if the other blackmails were all over looked (mind you there were all emotional blackmails and the blackmailers were able and sane people knowing exactly what they wanted ), why only put Ovi and Sachu on the guillotine, should we not say all of the above people need to be punished, for each of these people put someone's 'happiness' and their 'need' above some other people, won't you say?? None of these people ever broadcasted their intentions in emotionally blackmailing the 'other' people, they consulted no one, why could they, they are adult and are capable to decide for themselves, as did Sachu and Ovi in this case. Why could they consult anybody?? Won't you agree all these emotional blackmailing was done to gain something at the end and was for some personal fulfillment???? And all involved tricking /making the other people a soft targets and making them work or accepting their demands????  



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Originally posted by soapwatcher1

[QUOTE=Kalapi] Originally posted by soapwatcher1

Kalapi, I posted my answer in the other thread but am pasting it here too :)

"Kalapi, great question and analogy.

Stepping back objectiely, nothing wrong at all in the animal world where baser animal instincts are at work. Ovi's behavior is to be expected if Ovi has not evolved and I don't think her character has, she is very much of an ego-centric selfish child that wants and screams, "mine, mine". And children personify raw emotions with no trappings of "civilized behavior" much like in the animal kingdom.

Janhvi, sory to disappoint you'what is applicable in the animal kingdom is applicable to humans too (for Man is but a glorified animals) and infact mate selections has been shown in many papers to happen in these line: Well if you are interested can do some reading as follows;

http://psyencelab.com/images/Human_Mate_Selection_Theory_An_Integrated_Evolutionary_and_Social_Approach.pdf

http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.1086/591690?uid=3739808&uid=2&uid=4&uid=3739256&sid=21101167135451

To an evolutionist, if Ovi selected Arjun just because he appears healthy and capable of reproducing (for the basic instinct of all animals capable of reproduction and continuation of progeny, Purvi selected Arjun (of course subconsciously) for both wealth and healthy for the very same reasons'yea, appears to dry and emotionless'but that is precisely how an evolutionist could look at these 2 case studies

So, the argument that Ovi haven't evolved is baseless, she rather came out strong in this natural selection'..if Ovi screamed 'mine mine' did Purvi 'took' Arjuan away from her. As a sister (if Purvi considered herself one), could she just walk away from Arjun the moment she came to know the truth'how healthy is 2 sisters loving the same man??? In this case, neither sister gave up on the man for sisterly love rather one gave up on her love for her mother and her happiness'let we have been there before'


Kalapi, yes, I am familiar with the theories that a person chooses a mate not for the mate's sake but to procreate and make sure that the next generation (the children) are fit to survive. This is so in the animal kingdom and in real life.
So, yes, scientifically, I do believe that there is a survival of the fittest in all scenarios, at work, in life, in relationships, everywhere. 
 
Ovi has not evolved in that she has not learnt to mask her innate animal instincts, most humans tend to put on at least a fake veneer of sophistication and civilized behavior, Ovi does not.  If she is fitter than Purvi in this race of natural selection, no harm in calling Ovi base or unevolved.  She is primeval in her emotions, maybe desperation (fear of losing her choice of mate) makes her so. 
 
I don't think Purvi ever considered Ovi as her sister same as Ovi never considered Purvi as hers so agree that Purvi gave up on Arjun for Archana's sake, never a question in my mind. 
 
 
In the real world, we don't grab a man just because he is good looking or can provide better. I would tell my daughter to leave well alone a married man, an engaged man or any man in a relationship with another girl. This solely to safeguard her happiness and also to preserve some semblance of "humanness". We do not live in the jungle, we have laws and social norms to keep peace and to co-exist peacefully. Grabbing something because you want it is like shop-lifting. If Ovi had played fair and won Arjun's love, that would be another matter entirely.

In the real world we do girls do marry married man as well as rich men...real life examples are plenty...right...from Bonny Kapoor, to Dharmendra, to Saif Ali khan...the list just goes on and on...here at least Ovi grabbed an unmarried man...and why do you think they were grabbed...not because of good looks or money??? think again, right...think about America's obssession with millionaires and billionaires, don't girls just fall for them...what about Tiger Wood's extramatiatal affair, was is love??...just look around, examples are plenty...
I am not saying it does not happen in real life, murders happen, rapes happen, sadists abound, does not make 'wrongs' right though.  Yes, girls (and guys) are attracted to money and fame in the hopes of bettering their own lives, surviving. So long as they are not encroaching upon another's right or happiness, it is okay.  Do I condone Tiger Woods (not that he cares)?  No.  Do I condone all those starlets that go after married men?  No.  I realize too that the mere fact that some of the world looks askance at such behavior, does not stop the behavior . 
If Arjun can bring himself to forgive Ovi for what she did, latching on to her happiness at the cost of making him lose his, then they will make a blessed pair.

If Arjun had married a girl off the streets who was totally unconnected with this mess and who had no hand in him losing his happiness, I would insist he would have to stand by his marriage vows, forget Purvi and remain true to his wife. A marriage is not a joke. For this very same reason that marriage is not a joke, I would not want him to forgive a girl who has played under-handed tricks, used blackmail to procure him for herself. Not very flattering to her character and not promising for a future together if he ends up with a wife who has no thought for anyone else's happiness even his, except her own."
What underhanded trick did Ovi play, really.???...She gave the same deal to Archu, she didn't take it...was Purvi had a gun on her head for the deal, I didn't see one...It was solely Purvi's decision and her decision alone. Similarly what arjun did for Purvi was his decision alone...he could have just walked away...why didn't he.
There was everything underhanded about it, she did not broadcast her plan to her dad or sister, Tej.  She did not present it to Arjun either for fear of being thought badly, I am sure. Her grandmother and her brother were kept in the dark.
Yes, Arjun and Purvi both could have reacted differently than they did, their reactions were totally under their control.  That is why my original post said Purvi is no different from Ovi and that they are tarred with the same brush and that Arjun is not blameless in this.  There are degrees of blame, just like in negligence cases, they are all three liable and at fault, the contributory factors vary in very slight degrees.
Now, between these 2 people trying to put their individual and very different love for very different reason to the test, do you want Ovi to suffer between the 2 ...Why...Ovi has already went through one rejection before, why should she suffer?? Isn't, Arjun responsibility to walk the talk now...he married her, it is duty and responsibility to work on the marriage both physically and emotionally...it isn't fair on Ovi, if he fails...and couldn't then he fails Purvi too...surely, she didn't want Arjun to marry Ovi just in name...so that she can continue a illegal incest relationship???? Or do you think it is healthy for Arjun now to divorce one sister for the other...as you say, what about those very marital vows???
Do I want Ovi to be happy now merely because Arjun happened to fall in love with someone else before No.  Did I want Arjun to fall in love with Purvi when he was bespoken to Ovi? No, I didn't.  
I am looking at the present circumstance in isolation and independently with no thought given to old happenings.
Do I want Purvi to engage in incest? Definitely not. 
Do I want Arjun to divorce one sister and marry the other?  Heavens.no.  I was against his getting engaged to Ovi even temporarily, to me an engagement, a marriage, is sacrosanct and not to be treated lightly.
Do I want Ovi to be punished for blackmailing? Yes, I definitely do. I want Ovi punished for putting her needs, her happiness before all else (survival of the fittest or not) - and most definitely want her to suffer and be punished for the tricks she played to snare Arjun.  if she had somehow managed to make Arjun fall out of love with Purvi and in love with her fairly, I would have applauded her.  Not now, not after what she did. [/QUOTE]
 
@ red, Kalapi, I have responded in red to the very viable points you have raised. 
 

Janhvi, here is a list of 'emotional blackmails' that happened to date...

1.       Sachu emotionally blackmails Archu, who jumps happily to fulfill his demand. Outcome of his demand, I guess his longings to have a fully functional family to his bio mom..

Audience reaction: not happy that Archu conceded, generally

2.       Purvi emotionally blackmails Ajun to marry Ovi. The person gaining from such act is Archu followed by Sulo for the patch up...

3.       Purvi emotionally blackmails Manav for being there for Kanyadaan as 'baba'. Purvi gains by this this demand, her longings to have a male figure filling that role. Audience reaction, I think mostly neutral,

4.       Archu emotionally blackmails constantly Madhuri to give her 'legal' status of a wife, her son in the process becomes illegitimate. The person who gains most was Vaishu followed by Karanjkar household.  

5.       Archu emotionally blackmailing constantly MAna for Purvi's KAnyadaan. The person gaining from this act if Purvi and Archu (as Manav finally acted as Purvi's dad)

6.       DK emotionally blackmailing Manav to do Purvi's Kanyadaan. Gain here is still Karankjkars and Dk/Arjun, as manav gives formal acceptance and daughter status to Purvi

7.       Ovi emotionally blackmailing first Archana followed by Purvi. Gain here is Ovi and Desmukhs.

So, my question here is if the other blackmails were all over looked (mind you there were all emotional blackmails and the blackmailers were able and sane people knowing exactly what they wanted ), why only put Ovi and Sachu on the guillotine, should we not say all of the above people need to be punished, for each of these people put someone's 'happiness' and their 'need' above some other people, won't you say?? None of these people ever broadcasted their intentions in emotionally blackmailing the 'other' people, they consulted no one, why could they, they are adult and are capable to decide for themselves, as did Sachu and Ovi in this case. Why could they consult anybody?? Won't you agree all these emotional blackmailing was done to gain something at the end and was for some personal fulfillment???? And all involved tricking /making the other people a soft targets and making them work or accepting their demands????  

superb post.kalapiClap
i just want to add here,time and chnge of environment wld have been the best medicine for ovi,
but no1 gave her tat,and punni was the one who tld ovi tat purvi is just aftr arjuns money
hnestly i thought ovi wld do sumting more drastic like kidnap or hurt purvi or hurt herself,cause she was gng thru a lot,she was loosing herself
in day before yseterday she exceptd her defeat,she dint had strengt to do anyting more
but purvvi wanted archu happiness
and y shld see everyting from archu,purvis pov
y cant any1 see wat is savta,ovi,teju pov too

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There is a reason why humans and animals are different.

We humans have one thing that differentiate us from animals is emotions and a brain.

So I agree with the topic maker. Ovi needs to learn a lesson. That grabbing things you want can back fire on you.

All the scientific analysis is bull crap.

To topic maker spot on.

About animals they live on pure instinct. Very few animals have the capacity to love.

In animals the love between mother and child last until the child has grown up but this not with humans.

That is why what Ovi did was wrong.

In fact this whole show is stupid.

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