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katrina's successful because of her own luck, hard work, professionalism and ofcourse looks...salman might have offered her a few films to give her the right direction...but he didnt go to yash chopra and tell him to sign on kat...

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Ash is an average actress and its also true that salman tried hard to ruin her career. She is the only actress known abroad to non indians coz when they ask my daughters name which happens to be Aishwarya, they immediately as if its after "Aishwarya Rai" so yes, she might be the only actress in bollywood they know maybe now shilpa shetty
 
As for Katrina, she too came into the industry when salman used her and she used him mutually and they both gained. while salman got what he wanted ( a  gf and further), kat got her ticket into the industry.
 
For people who constantly say she used him and dumped him, its so unfortunate that the man who uses women like toys for his own personal reasons constantly is justified.
 
as i said, both used each other for different reasons and she moved on, so did he. Now they are just friends who get along well.
 
Ash and Katrina both have accomplished something and that cannot be ignored. They are both grt in their own respective way. While one created her name against all odds around the world, the other has managed to come on her own and make a name for herself and is doing well.
 
kudos to both...women power glas, dont ever put down the ladies for losers like salman etc
 
 

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Come on Salman! If it wasn't for you, nobody would know who Katrina is

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Funnily enough that fans are claiming Ash is more popular than Big B based on Google statistics. Silly
A couple of days back the same fans were claiming that Abhishek is as popular as Kareena Kapoor. Today the same people say that he isnt that popular as based on Google statistics. But if Google statistics ALONE is to be used as the basis of measuring popularity then Kareena always features in the top 10 while JrB is nowhere to be seen on Google rankings. Another point is that the month Aaradhya was born Sunny Leone left all Bollywood types far behind in terms of Google popularity rankings? So what do we conclude now? Stern Smile


Show me where I claimed Aishwarya is more popular than Big B? You cannot because I didn't claim it. You were talking about Google statistics and I just wrote facts about it. You said she is googled because she is a Bachchan... and I simply showed that she is googled way more than the rest of the Bachchan family combined. It is "Aishwarya Rai" which most people google, not "Aishwarya Rai Bachchan."

And LOL, when did I say Google ALONE is the basis of measuring popularity? Don't put words in my mouth.
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God knows how many Boom like soft-po*n films Katrina would have worked in and become a po*nstar like her sister(s?) had Salman not saved her from them...




Now all Katrina has to do is marry into a big film family. Ranbir is a good choice and her career will mirror's Ash's. First use Salman for publicity, become a star and then dump him for a younger actor from a KHANdaan.

The only difference, Katrina is much more successful.


Aishwarya was an established name much before she met Salman. She was Miss World. She was already being wooed by the biggest of directors for their films. As I just pointed out with Boom before Katrina met Salman, you can see where the difference was.

And the only film she did with Salman was HDDCS - a film where she walked away with all the awards and acclaim, after which he actually tried sabotaging her career by getting her out of big films, whereas he got Katrina enough movies and still does... yet Katrina is still to make a mark for herself as an actress.

Big difference.


My ass she was a big name.

She was being called exactly what Katrina is called. Wooden and expressionless. She had only flops behind her and there were rumors of her being out of Bollywood and moving down South for good. Like all the flop actresses. HDDCS gave her a new lease of life.

If Boom is a po*n film, then what exactly is Shabd?

Katrina is a bigger name in India than Ash ever was.


Lol @ moving down South after flops in Bollywood. She actually debuted in a South film. She signed Hindi movies and South films simulataneously.

Her first film was Mani Ratnam's Iruvar where she was critically acclaimed. Her Hindi debut was a flop and she was criticized. Her third film, Jeans, was a blockbuster and again she got great reviews.. it was actually India's official entry to Oscars for the Best film in a foreign category award.

Then came HDDCS and Taal.

If Shabd is po*n for you, I will leave it there.

Katrina is a bigger name than Ash ever was in India, yeah sure. LOL


That's great for her. What don't you understand about " For Good"?

It means she would only be doing South films not Bollywood films.

Shabd is based on an adult fantasy about someone doing their wife. It has explicit content and mature scenes. Its more of an adult film than Boom.

HDDCS and Taal weren't HITS according to BOI. But they did give Ash a new lease of life. Too bad she couldn't sustain it and followed it up with massive disasters like Albela, Hum Kissise Kum Nahin, Dil Ka Rishta etc.

Katrina on the other hand is all about Blockbusters. So yes, her movies are watched by more people. She's googled more and is a bigger star than Ash ever was, who even in the best of times was behind Rani and Preity.


Nope, she had several Bollywood movies on hand like Josh, Mohabbatein, Hamara Dil Aapke Paas Hai, Albela even when she was filming her South Indian movies.

And about Shabd, I've already said I'll leave it there. If it's po*n for you, great! Not for me. The scenes were shot aesthetically unlike Boom.

HDDCS was a semi-hit, Taal was above average in India. They were huge hits overseas. And she followed them up with successful films like Josh, Mohabbatein, Hamara Dil Aapke Paas Hai in 2000. In 2001, she had only one release, Albela, which was average according to BOI. In 2002, she again had a huge hit with Devdas. So she has been quite consistent.

Yes, Katrina is all about blockbusters. That's because most of the films she does are masala potboilers aimed at the masses, and in most of the movies she has limited screentime/dialogues. Ask Katrina to do movies like Chokher Bali, Raincoat, Devdas, Provoked etc and make them blockbusters and then we'll talk. Smile

Regarding Ash lagging behind Rani and Preity.. while that was true for a very brief time when Salman tried to sabotage her career by pulling her out of big films, which ended up in Rani and Preity's lap and hence they gained mileage. But despite that, Aishwarya continued to be the highest paid actress... And we all know how quickly Rani and Preity faded into oblivion while Aishwarya continued to touch personal and professional highs..

And google you say? Aishwarya was still the most googled actress until 2007-08. So when Katrina is 34, married.. we'll see if she is able to come close to the feat achieved only by Ash. Oh, and according to Google, Aishwarya's name still records more hits than current top leading ladies Kareena, Priyanka, Deepika etc. :)

P.S. And Aishwarya has a pan-Indian appeal.. having done successful films in Tamil, Telugu, Hindi and Bengali cinema. Not to forget her international fame, which is a cherry on top.


So if Katrina wears a bra, its po*n. But Ash goes backless with Sunjay Dutt kissing her, its aesthic art.

First you seem to have some misconception that Ash is some powerhouse performer. She's not. Playing an abla nari is not very hard. All you need is some glycerine, simple clothes and try to look sad. Its even easier, if like Ash, you seem to have that look on your face 24/7 anyways.

Powerhouse performers are Kajol, Rani. Ash is barely average, if that.

Box office : Ash has had 1 Blockbuster in 13 years and that was a YRF franchise with Hrithik carrying the whole movie. The only thing she's been consistent at is giving flops.

 Pan India seems to be a concept you have created. Every time Ash has been given the central stage, the movie has been the biggest disaster of the year. Case in point Umrao Jaan, Dil ka Rishta. There are no numbers to back that up. If that was the case then Reema Sen would be the queen of Bollywood.

Katrina is miles ahead already in terms of Popularity and success.

I find it funny that you try to blame Ash's lack of success on Salman. She burnt bridges with half the industry due to her own attitude problems. Not Salman. If Salman had a problem with her SLB would have been the first person to stop working with her. Followed by Sunjay Dutt.

Ash was finished after classics like Kyon Ho Gaya Na, Umrao Jaan and some low budget UK films like Mistress of Spices and Provoked.  Dhoom 2 and the biggest media circus, that was her wedding has kept her relevant. Not her popularity or her Box office success.



Lol, you could look vulgar even when fully dressed. That is not the point I made. Sigh.

If I think she is a powerhouse performer, it is a misconception? Sorry, it is an opinion. Just like you find her average or whatever. Belittling others' opinions just because they do not agree with you is uncalled for.

One blockbuster in 13 years.. umm not quite. Jeans, Dhoom 2, Robot blockbusters... you do the math. HDDCS, Taal, Josh, HDAPH, Devdas, Mohabbatein, Chokher Bali, Raincoat, Khakee, Bride and Prejudice, Guru, Jodhaa Akbar, Provoked, Sarkar Raj, Raavanan, Kandukondain - she has done enough successful films... which are not just BO successes but most of them were highly critically acclaimed as well. Yes, she gave flops, just like every actor does, but her hit ratio is quite impressive, even if not as great as Katrina's. You know what, she could have been in hit after hit had she followed the conventional formula of being a showpiece in a commercial flick, but she has avoided that as much as she could. Look at her amazing body of work.. even after 20 years, she is going to be remembered for her roles in Jodhaa Akbar, Guzaarish, Raincoat, HDDCS etc. I don't think people are exactly going to remember Katrina's characters in her "blockbuster" films like Singh is Kinng, Welcome, De Dana Dan, etc... So comparing the two is inconceivable. I read she doesn't work with smaller heroes... or can't carry films on her shoulders.. how else did she carry off Jeans, Taal, Bride and Prejudice, Chokher Bali etc? Confused

You find it funny that I blame Salman?  HAHA... yeah she burnt her bridges with the industry because she had "attitude problems." Yeah, try getting the a top actress thrown out of all the films she has on hand and then we shall see what happens. Aishwarya was not getting any offers in Bollywood since they were all scared Salman would repeat a Chalte Chalte scenario in any film she does... which is actually why she looked outside for work... Bengali cinema, Hollywood... and to the point that her own brother had to produce a movie for her (DKR) because not many were coming forward. And after being through this hell, she actually bounced back strongly. And she continued to reign even after whatever happened.

Oh, Dhoom 2 and her so-called "wedding circus" kept her relevant. Wasn't her wedding like half a decade ago? Lol, even Shilpa Shetty was relevant during her wedding... nobody cares for her now. But people still are interested in Aishwarya, at least several polls and statistics say so.


I have no clue why you keep bringing in South Indian cinema into this discussion. Jeans and Robot have nothing to do with Bollywood. Their dubbed versions weren't Blockbusters. So you do the math.

You can get a sense of Ash's career when you start counting Sarkar Raj and Raincoat as Hits. In Bollywood she's only had 3 Full fledged hits Devdas, Guru and Jodha Akbar. That's pretty sad for a superstar. Its even sadder when people start claiming Mohabbatein as her Hit.

As for Katrina. I have no idea where you get the impression she doesn't work with smaller heroes. She's worked with everybody from Bobby Deol to Govinda to Ab Jr to Neil Nitin. Doesn't get smaller than these 4.

Ash tried everything that Kat does. Item Numbers. Yes. Ishq Kamina was an embarassment and Kajra Re her Belly was the talk of the town, more than her dance moves. Flower pot roles. Hell yeah. Hum Kisi se kum Nahin, Action Reply. Too bad she's not good at it.

All in all, Ash has neither been a Box office queen nor a great performer. She's been an average actress with the best PR in the business. They milk every little thing they can. Today they are milking Beti B. For the last year or so. It keeps her in the news. Sadly it can't get her hits.




I bring South Indian cinema because when if you're talking about her career of the past 15 years, how can I leave behind the regional cinema which has been a very intrinsic part of her career... where she has delivered powerpacked performances in most of the movies and and every movie of hers there has been highly successful. We are talking about her career as a WHOLE and hence every movie she did MATTERS.

Sarkar Raj and Raincoat are successful movies. Prove me wrong if you can.Big Bollywood hits of 2008 - Sarkar Raj http://www.rediff.com/movies/2008/jul/03sd4.htm, "Raincoat performed well at the Box Office and turned out to be a success" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raincoat_(film)

If you can't credit her anything for Mohabbatein being a hit, then it's only fair that you can't credit Katrina either for movies like ZMND, De Dana Dan, Tees Maar Khan, Welcome, Raajneeti - which amounts to more than half the movies she's done.

And, heh. Bobby Deol, AB Jr, Govinda were all bigger stars when Katrina worked with them.

People only talked about her belly in Kajra Re, not her dance? Lol, the people I saw went gaga over her dance... go anywhere... this forum, Pinkvilla, any Bollywood site, or the best option YouTube... read the comments and tell me how many are talking about her "belly." Ishq Kameena was an embarrassment? Oh ok. Chikni Chameli and Sheila Ki Jawaani are classics for you I suppose. Not for me. Matter of taste.

Flower pot roles.. yes HKSKN was one and she was very bad in it. Action Replayy was neither a flower pot role, neither was she bad in it. According to most reviews, she was the best thing of the film. How many "flower pot" roles did she act in? Very very few. Katrina made a whole career out of such roles in big commercial flicks.

According to you she is all because of her PR, then guess why it couldn't make Abhishek into the top league when he had the same PR? Aishwarya's stature in the industry is above hits or flops. She has reached a level where it doesn't affect her position. All she cares about is doing good work, and being versatile while doing so... and the discerning audience recognizes that and hence she is still much loved.

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