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Strange Retribution... (Page 28)

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Posted: 07 August 2012 at 7:22pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by Maverick29

I kind of went through the stuff and I have to agree these guys (PH and the Writers) are sapping my optimism for the show.  I am beginning to realize that I was way better off watching American TV than these Indian shows.  The whole show is going to hell in a hand basket and their way of reviving it is "introducing and old hag that is going to insult and torture the most lovable character in the entire show".

Last two days have been "hell" do deal with.  This attitude that just because the guy stood there with her, it is ok is just mind-boggling.  Let us look at the brilliant writing:

1.  Dadi mistook Khushi for a maid -- Why is that? -- Oh Khushi was carrying some water and looked like she had worked with some dirt -- what the f**k kind of a person does that -- so as soon as you see someone with some dirty water and some dirt on their face they become MAIDS.  OK let us say it is possible.

2.  When she is told that Khushi is Arnav's wife, this OLD BITCH doesnt apologize, instead retracts from blessing her grand daughter-in-law.

So, on one hand we have something that looked like a "brilliant" plan for redemption of an ass-hole character that goes down the drain the minute we see this Queen Bitch start her act but more importantly in the middle of the hell she is in, the adorable Khushi is subjected to more insults and she is supposed to just take them.  Honestly this is real "discrimination" on the show.  These nincompoops havent realized and a bunch of women working on they show havent even so much as objected to it -- shows that for earning a "living" people will accept anything.

Now I want address something already said by  Harshita and Ayirekhushi -- "something is missing" -- YEP IT IS -- DIGNITY.

These deranged and completely retarded writers dont understand the meaning of "Preserving the Dignity" of the Female Lead.  If they showed that Arnav insulted her, it was to an extent OK because they are in love and he has a "LIFETIME" to make up for it.  WHY on EARTH are these nimrods hell bent on showing every single character hurting Khushi?

What the hell is this FREAK SHOW? -- Constantly going after one single person and just making her FEEL LIKE CRAP over and over and OVER again? -- Oh Khushi may feel good, the guy is beginning to get closer to an apology, we have to f**k it up, how do we do that?  Well Introduce the QUEEN BITCH in addition to Manorama so we have two ugly hags running around insulting people because that is where we preserve "SUSPENSE in the SHOW"!!!  How does that accomplish the primary purpose of any TV show -- which in my book is entertain people and send them home with something warm and fuzzy?  Or is their whole goal make people feel like SHIT that they are actually watching a show and getting attached to the characters?  I guess these people who have never experienced a happy day in their f**ked up lives cannot show it on TV -- how can we ask someone that doesnt understand "Dignity", "Duty", "Happiness", "Joy", "Pride" all these nice words -- we cannot explain it to nimrods that understand just one word "INSECURITIES".

This introduction of another character who will be rude to Khushi is really a last nail.

This is one aspect of "CULTURE" that seems to be speaking to us.  People are happier watching others in pain than watching people living happily -- this is a representation of what Indian TV watched by millions everyday.  May be we are just watching the wrong shows.  They like taking someone who is Happy and Chipper and make them Unhappy and DOORMATISH and then say that person is MAHAN for some reason!

I cannot end this tirade with a "cheers" -- but the writers deserve some public humiliation for continuing to delay this "much needed redemption" of Arnav.

On the forum itself, there are some really smart and creative people here but like in any group there are a bunch of people with Vacuum in the place of a "brain".  In general when we walk into a discussion, we kind of size up some people with brains and ones that will argue just for the sake of arguing and will do it without any point.  But the problem with the forum is we assume that everyone has a "BRAIN".  Unfortunately after writing a few times, we realize that we are sooo wrong!!!  The Vacuum population is LOUD and always around.

Wow!
Maverick...buddy...you nailed it!
I agree with every word of yours...I have been ranting on and on past few pages about the same thing...glad I took a nice break and came back to see your post...
As much as I loved the way Arnav supported Khushi in the recent episode, I am super frustrated from the inside, not because of the track but because of the characters..
There is just no balance...I have a lot to say...
Firstly, we have lady Hitler enter the house who assumed Khushi is a servant just because the poor girl was gardening, had put her hair up while working and hadn't decorated herself with heavy jewelry sets...and then she throws her out of the temple, shows her her 'aukat'...damn that woman! To add to my fury nobody makes the slightest attempt (except NK) to tell Dadi that she is the eldest Bahu...Payal as usual was mum...nothing is more important to her than making her gutless husband's lunch and giving him his handkerchief...and she is the sister Khushi loves and almost sacrificed her life for *rolls eyes*
Mami is good for nothing...she is nothing but a walking talking Christmas tree...
Aakash has no role...he doesn't and will never appreciate what all Khushi did to bring Payal and him together...
Anjali still mourns over her pathetic husband with people crying over her and her helplessness...and to make things worse Dadi is here to add to her sympathy cart...
And all these characters directly affect Khushi...they taunt her, they mock her, some do with silence and some with words...Dadi is here to add to the brainless, illogical and always-ready-to-mock Raizada Clan...*sigh* And who suffers between all this...Poor Khushi...
Happy that for once Arnav took her side...happy that he realized that it was his fault all this while...BUT...you are right about 'DIGNITY' being missing here...no matter what people do..absolutely nothing can give Khushi all her happiness and self-respect back...
Now...what I want, which I think will makes things better and Khushi more significant here,is Arnav to sincerely 'apologize' here...he hasn't done that yet because he isn't regretting yet...because he hasn't completely realized the depth of his mistakes and all the wrong he has done to Khushi...
So...still being optimistic here...*fingers crossed*

Manal <3




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Posted: 07 August 2012 at 7:42pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by Jayne

[QUOTE=Maverick29

Maverick,

I feel you.
The first 5 months or so of the show were so good precisely because we had really only one villain and everyone else was, more or less, good (maami included).
I didn't much care for presenting La as good only when she was 'domesticated' in an ideal 'Indian buhoo' way, but I overlooked it and concentrated on the 'happy' feeling the show gave me.
Not anymore.
There is really not one character who is chipper, happy, and generally good - apart from NK and he gets one nod, one wink, one line at best.
No one is truly good anymore - not Anjuli, not naani, not paayull, not even people in the GH (who amazingly never worried about their due rent!)

I am not necessarily sure that pain glues viewers to the TV.
We all were glued to it for the joy earlier, now its a complete drag.
I get that TRP auntys must like that pain, but even they are showing that they don't care for it on months on end.
They like their heroines to have the Happily Ever After and ours hasn't seen any light on the horizon yet.
You expressed my sentiments exactly regarding the PH and writers.
We can expect no hope from that quarter.

Jayne

[/QUOTE]
This "walking away" from what made them a hit in the first place is what is bothering me.  If you look at the 185 epis, none of them are this NEGATIVE in IF forum language.

Nothing in what they are showing can have a "positive" end.  Even now, we get a bit entertained when they show Arnav trying to make Khushi happy.  But these morons dont seem to understand the concept of "Happiness".

Cheers.

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Posted: 07 August 2012 at 7:49pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by AyeReKhushi

Originally posted by Didikisaut

TRP never slipped below 2.6 in kidnapping track, 2.5 is the lowest 2 weeks ago 

You know people are desperate when they start making up lies. It tells me I hit a nerve by telling the bitter truth LOL

But its all good because they make me look smart. Its not very smart to lie and say TRPs were 2.0 during "Khushi's comedy"...one can easily look up the TRPs on IF during March/April...it never dropped below 2.8...certainly not anything close to 2.0. So please think first otherwise you end up looking foolish. I expect silence now.

Manal, you left the thread at a good time...I'm out too. Nice talking to the rest of you girls!

Hehehe...I had to leave and take a break...I had been ranting on and on and on...
Exactly...the truth is always bitter...
I just wanna say one more thing people...It's not about supporting your favorite character, it's about supporting the one who is right...
I love ASR...he is and will always be my favorite...but that doesn't mean I support him even when he is wrong...
If tomorrow Khushi does something wrong..I will say what is it that I have against her...
And tomorrow if ASR is right...I will support him too...
In this situation Khushi is clearly the victim who has been tortured...misunderstood and snatched off of her dignity...Thus, I supported her and so did many others...
OK...folks...that's all I had to say...
Bye and take care..

Manal <3


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Posted: 07 August 2012 at 7:52pm | IP Logged
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Originally posted by Maverick29




I can feel what u r saying...specialy  your this line " I am beginning to realize that I was way better off watching American TV than these Indian shows.  The whole show is going to hell in a hand basket and their way of reviving it is "introducing and old hag that is going to insult and torture the most lovable character in the entire show"."

Now coming to your point I also do not understand the basic idea of indian television...Why they always try to entertain people with sorrow, sadness, humiliation...I think the problems lie in the society which contributes to trp...we are not the people who contributes to trp...people who watch in India are so frustated/fedup with their life when they see someone in TV who is suffering more than them find peace...Now dont think this is because they want someone to be unhappy this is because they are happy to see that their life is much better than the character they are watching (be it fictional)...This is my thinking behind all this crap going on in Indian TV...

This is the only indian serial I watch and I became addicted to it because the way it was...yesterday I felt very disappointed with the saas bahu drama and also thought I am in a wrong lane that I am watching this serial which is just like another saas bahu SP serial...but I am already madly in love with this serial and today I loved ASR so continuing to watch it...But I already mentioned in my previous posts in this thread the pain which have seen in ASr last year for Khushi and the intensity of his character is missing...

They published their own ratings however "fictional" and they said -- Drumroll --- Highest ratings for this show were the lead up to the Aakash wedding, peaked at sangeet and then dropped with the forced marriage -- went down from a peak of 5.1 to 2.5 or so during IPL and never really recovered.  A bump when Barun came back etc.

Reality is, the thought that "Indians like watching people suffer" may not be true because of the movies.  No Mumbai film ever ends as a tragedy.  The hero always triumphs and good always wins over evil.  This is true every single time.

So, think it is in the "way they perceive things.

Cheers.

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Posted: 07 August 2012 at 7:59pm | IP Logged
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I can feel what u r saying...specialy  your this line " I am beginning to realize that I was way better off watching American TV than these Indian shows.  The whole show is going to hell in a hand basket and their way of reviving it is "introducing and old hag that is going to insult and torture the most lovable character in the entire show"."

Now coming to your point I also do not understand the basic idea of indian television...Why they always try to entertain people with sorrow, sadness, humiliation...I think the problems lie in the society which contributes to trp...we are not the people who contributes to trp...people who watch in India are so frustated/fedup with their life when they see someone in TV who is suffering more than them find peace...Now dont think this is because they want someone to be unhappy this is because they are happy to see that their life is much better than the character they are watching (be it fictional)...This is my thinking behind all this crap going on in Indian TV...

This is the only indian serial I watch and I became addicted to it because the way it was...yesterday I felt very disappointed with the saas bahu drama and also thought I am in a wrong lane that I am watching this serial which is just like another saas bahu SP serial...but I am already madly in love with this serial and today I loved ASR so continuing to watch it...But I already mentioned in my previous posts in this thread the pain which have seen in ASr last year for Khushi and the intensity of his character is missing...

They published their own ratings however "fictional" and they said -- Drumroll --- Highest ratings for this show were the lead up to the Aakash wedding, peaked at sangeet and then dropped with the forced marriage -- went down from a peak of 5.1 to 2.5 or so during IPL and never really recovered.  A bump when Barun came back etc.

Reality is, the thought that "Indians like watching people suffer" may not be true because of the movies.  No Mumbai film ever ends as a tragedy.  The hero always triumphs and good always wins over evil.  This is true every single time.

So, think it is in the "way they perceive things.

Cheers.

Again...well said Maverick.

Manal <3

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I can feel what u r saying...specialy  your this line " I am beginning to realize that I was way better off watching American TV than these Indian shows.  The whole show is going to hell in a hand basket and their way of reviving it is "introducing and old hag that is going to insult and torture the most lovable character in the entire show"."

Now coming to your point I also do not understand the basic idea of indian television...Why they always try to entertain people with sorrow, sadness, humiliation...I think the problems lie in the society which contributes to trp...we are not the people who contributes to trp...people who watch in India are so frustated/fedup with their life when they see someone in TV who is suffering more than them find peace...Now dont think this is because they want someone to be unhappy this is because they are happy to see that their life is much better than the character they are watching (be it fictional)...This is my thinking behind all this crap going on in Indian TV...

This is the only indian serial I watch and I became addicted to it because the way it was...yesterday I felt very disappointed with the saas bahu drama and also thought I am in a wrong lane that I am watching this serial which is just like another saas bahu SP serial...but I am already madly in love with this serial and today I loved ASR so continuing to watch it...But I already mentioned in my previous posts in this thread the pain which have seen in ASr last year for Khushi and the intensity of his character is missing...

They published their own ratings however "fictional" and they said -- Drumroll --- Highest ratings for this show were the lead up to the Aakash wedding, peaked at sangeet and then dropped with the forced marriage -- went down from a peak of 5.1 to 2.5 or so during IPL and never really recovered.  A bump when Barun came back etc.

Reality is, the thought that "Indians like watching people suffer" may not be true because of the movies.  No Mumbai film ever ends as a tragedy.  The hero always triumphs and good always wins over evil.  This is true every single time.

So, think it is in the "way they perceive things.

Cheers.


I really hope you are right...because I am not happy with this sadnes...if most of the people also think like that then these crap should not go on in TV...by the way I have not much idea abt how trp calculated and all...Whose thought are these crap also I dont know...

I hope I am right as well -- I dont have practical knowledge of the market.  But here is an answer I do have -- TRP calculations.

In the US we call them Nielsen Ratings and it is kind of easy here -- we know that there are about 135 million house holds.  Nielsen uses Cable/Satellite and our broadcast TV channel connections to determine the number of people watching a show at a particular time.

Nielsen stuff is audited regularly because the number of viewers watching a particular show, will determine the "viability" of the show for "advertising" etc.  They sell the stats and some more in-depth analysis to NBC, CBS, ABC, Fox, USA, TBS etc etc so they can rate shows.  For instance if you searched for Royal Pains or House, the corresponding WiKi page will show you how many viewers watched a particular show.  The average density of each household in the US is about 2.3.  So, if you know the number of TVs, you know the number of people that watched the show (approximately).

In India, this is a bit difficult -- first the over the air stuff doesnt get any ratings.  Second, is on StarPlus on Cable and Satellite only but measuring the numbers is a bit difficult.  See in India, they have satellite dishes but they also have "aggregation" where a guy takes a neighborhood, puts up a big dish, takes the programming and then distributes it to the rest of the people on "locally connected cable" -- this makes "ratings and measurements" difficult.  Along with that, estimating the number of people watching a single TV becomes even more difficult.

So, with these difficulties there is a lot of estimation stuff that happens.

Hope this helps.

Cheers.

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