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Posted: 08 August 2012 at 5:06am | IP Logged
@ redwine thanks LOL beech mein baagh gaya tha...@ sampin  how wish i could express my views like u ...Clap brilliant.

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Posted: 08 August 2012 at 5:08am | IP Logged
Originally posted by sampin


Hiya mav,
I have read a few of your posts in the forum..really loved the one on Yayati complex as debates on mythology really leave me intellectually  fulfilled..

Coming to your diatribe on  dadi's characteristion  and khushi's tears.. To be honest on a personal level hated dadi..but I cannot refute the fact that modern India has characters  like those looming large and casting their dark shadow on ppl's daily lives..should I call the character a reel reflecting the real  or should I call it the truth  portrayed but with a fictional note.so I was not surprised by it..wanted to know whether you live in India or abroad,..see however educated a girl is,she is asked to compromise at her inlaws place..if not directly then beneath the layers of so called modernity

Secondly everybody would vouch for the fact that I adore khushi..she is my sunshine girl..probably relate to her on a personal level too..I started watching this show due to her..when ppl were criiticising her so called OTT..I was one of those who defended her..every character undergoes transformation or else should say grows according to the track requirements ..the track requirement is such that khushi's character is confused right now..she is wondering whether she is responsible for the entire fiasco..so the tears..deep down she is scarred too..but masks her hurt with OTT.but today she has somebody who she can openly show that she is hurt or should I say somebody who reads her behind the mask..so the tears..for me dadi's taunts to khushi is natural progression of arnav to correct his mistakes..but what u may call redemption..acc to me a character like  like arnav needs a mirror a mirror to show that his mistakes..he needs to know that he is living in a glass house too..the correction is required there..I hate justifying this..but am doing it so because it is the need of the hour.

One more thing..there are execution mistakes on this show and the script has its own faults..so which script doesn't   ..I am not saying your stance is wrong..because there is nothing wrong or right in one's POV ..all I am saying is that don't take this show to heart ..enjoy the good moments and throw the regressive one aside
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I came across this post..I was going but stopped by...Here most people at DC are older to me...by age and by experience..and hence I with my lack of experience and more fan girlish attitude can be on the wrong path...But whatever understanding I have of human nature...I can just tell...these two characters..Khushi and Arnav...they are both mirrors for each other...What Arnav did to Khushi...was beyond acceptable...But tell me WHY DID KHUSHI FALL IN LOVE WITH ARNAV IN THE FIRST PLACE??No one asked her to,did they??Again Khushi is like a mirror for Arnav...who makes her see HIMSELF...The real ARNAV SINGH RAIZADA...If Khushi's never-say-die spirit,her sunny nature has her past behind it...ASR's wrath,inner turmoils,his isecurities too has his past behind them...

If today..any injustice meted out to Khushi...catches our eye,we should also have the courage to accept that Arnav wasn't born this cruel man..and that there's a reason behind it...Today people are bashing Daadi because Khushi is being tortured..When Arnav was kidnapped and tortured inhumanly...where were these people??Then "Arnav was paying for the injustices towards Khushi!!"right??!!Ridiculous,I say!!Because this forum is more a battlefield these days...I love this show for Arnav and for Khushi...and if I stand beside Arnav today,tomorrow I won't hestitate a bit to stand beside Khushi...I know I have that courage...

And kudos to Gul...Who in this world of pseudo-feminism could introduce a character like Daadi...who though totally loathsome...is a reflection of most elders in Indian society!!

BTW...I hope my friends at DC understand I was NOT bashing anyone in particular...Just felt the need to say this!!
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Perfect..sammy..they are equals like I have always said..the kidnapping was  I felt the redemption and realisation for khushi more than arnav..whereas this is theviceversa track for arnav more than khushi..both the tracks were designed in such a way that the they ultimately become a couple..move forward as a couple.one more thing the post was an answer to mav acc to my pov for this particular track..I hadn't written this in totality..I guess the phangirl in u was upset..u may disagree with it..but why did khushi fall in arnav and vice versa is not question which needs to be asked now..they were initially attracted to each other is the truth..pulled towards each other by a force unnamed is the truth..let me say destiny put them together..

Love came later in the equation..khushi accepting his diaboliical personality and arnav accepting her idiosyncrasies were part and parcel of falling in love.though khushi occupies a special place in heart.I watch the show for  the love I bear for arnav and khushi..no two views about that..

 Coming about dadi..I felt dadi though fossilised she is in her views..she reflects what arnav was before he met khushi. Though arnav has beens scarred by his past,his genetics to have played a part in defining his personality..nobody can escape genetics,,neither you nor me..Yeah,I agree about pseudo feminism bit which turns right winged most of the times and do appreciate dadi's introduction from that pov ...though there is nothing wrong in  being proud of one's feminism..


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Posted: 08 August 2012 at 5:11am | IP Logged
Originally posted by coolgal270



Courageous Nani:

Today, I am most touched by nani's character. For she is a woman who took the responsibility of taking care of two kids when the time was most grim. As a mother, wouldnt she have suffered to the maximum when she lost her daughter? when her beautiful grand daughter marriage was cancelled at the last moment? When she found out that her damdji broke her daughter's trust, her happiness, her home. What it would be like for Devyani singh Raizada when her grandchildren had to witness the scandal, when they had to come to terms with the loss of their mother, with the betrayal of their father! 

For her it would have been the toughest because she took it upon herself to make a life out of those two lost souls when her own life was crumbling. Yes she couldn't penetrate the wounded heart of Arnav and stop him from becoming ASR. But she made him a man who is self dependent, she made him a honorable human being, she gave him love,shelter, strength and courage to become what he is today. And most of all she gave Anjali the right direction to overcome her grief. Again, yes, she protected her far too much but to heal her, to make her believe in goodness of the world , to make her forget her painful past. And by making Anjali what she is, she gave Arnav the biggest gift! His di, his life, his support!

And so I was so with her when she questions Dadi about why she is seeking answers now?what about her responsibilities, about her care, concern for her children, How could have she hidden away from taking care of those two, how she never wanted to find out about them and now she is dissapointed with the way things have taken place in RM?
I loved her aggressive stance, loved how she clearly mentions that the past always had and still has an effect on the dwellings withing RM, how dadi cannot deny it!Evil Smile

She is the one who proudly introduces Khushi to Subhadra devi as her bahu, the queen of the house. And she is shocked and sad at the way khushi has been rebuffed by her. She goes to make amends, to ensure that dadi understands khushi and gives her the due love. Big smile

Also she is genuinely happy when Arnav stands besides khushi. For she has made that man righteous, she trusts him to do no wrong anymore. The insult at khushi pains her as well for she truly loves khushi as her own, every gibe thrown at her, wounds her heart and seeing Arnav supporting khushi makes her smile in content.

But war lines have been drawn! First, only Arnav was the ziddi insaan of the house, now she has to deal with his grandmother!
But however it goes, I have full faith in Nani. She will not let any harm come to khushi, arnav or Anjali this time. She has protected her children all these years and no shyaam or "the woman" can shake that protective shield I so love the 
character!


Adamant Dadi:

A woman who after the gap of 14 years decides to become a part of the family from whom she willingly stayed away. A woman who gets emotional seeing her pota and hugs him affectionately and warmly but her blood freezes the minute she lay eyes on kushi. Naturally the woman is shocked beyond her wits that the naukarani is actually the bahu of the house, her bahu. For her its the biggest blashphemy to have taken place in this decade.

She does not want to remember that fateful night as she still sees "that woman's" face. She wants to deny that it ever happened, she does not want to acknowledge that the past is still haunting them.

When she left the kids in Devyani's care, she trusted her to take care of things.
But to her disaapointment, Arnav beta has married "that woman" without the presence of any family member. She questions about this to her friend, shows her dissapointment at the way things have gone wrong in the family. But she has no answers to Devyani's counter questions. What can she say? Why she did not want to shoulder the responsibility? why she never even once asked about the well being of her grandchildren? She averts her eyes as she cannot look into the eyes of Devyani singh raizada.Evil Smile

She wants to know the answers to her questions and Arnav informs her that it was he who didnt tell nani about his marriage. Dadi is shocked and reprimands him for not even considering telling anyone about his decision, not even takingpermission to marry. The last time she met him, he was a kid who was basking in the love of his mother, a grandson who would have been polite, respectful and soft spoken! But she has no idea that this Arnav is not that child. He will not listen quietly when accusations are being thrown at him. And so she gets shock-pe-shock at his audacity to question her love, her concern for their well being. This is unacceptable behavior and she unknowingly hits him where it hurts the most. She compares him to his father, a deadly mistake for which she is warned, cautioned against! 

She cannot let the bahu enter her world for she is not accepted there yet. To her amazement, a simple act of hers is met with rebellion from her grandson. Again, she cannot believe the arrogance of the man to have not let her finish the sentence and to revolt in that fashion.

The "Malik" in her makes her stand her ground and she is already locking horns with the Man of the house although its only been a few hours since she met him.

How long will she refuse to acknowledge khushi as her daughter-in-law? For how long she will not accept that what happened 14 yrs ago, is still shaking the grounds of the house? Will she fight back this time or will she leave the task to nani as she did in the past?...We will have to see.


Apprehensive khushi:

She is happy for Arnavji, she is happy he has met his grandmother and has her blessings. But when Naniji calls her to take her rightful place, she does not know how to proceed for she is not sure of her footing with Dadi. The same woman who snubbed her, would she be happy to find out that she is her bahu, would she be accepted and loved? 
All her fears come true when Dadi refuses to give  her blessings and accounts her responsible. For khushi is not sure of the reason for dadi's immediate dislike to her. 
As she searches for answers, she finds a withdrawn Arnavji immersed in his thoughts. She assures him that she or their marriage might be the reason for dadi's behavior. All she wants to do is comfort him when she herself is hurting!
At his indirect apology that he was the reason for their hasty marriage, she is moved.But she is KKGSR, his soulmate. She immediately understands its more that what meets the eye. 
She has come to the stage of the relationship where she wants to know man behind Arnavji, to know his secrets, to share his sorrow! Loved how she tells him that somehow she feels she doesnt know him at all. She is ready to accept this bitter truth and be honest about it!

She is still sure that she can charm dadi as she does everybody.So she goes to apologize but instead gets rejected again. But the next moment, her knight in shining armor declares to his dadi that his place is rightfully besides his wife. Khushi who has just found her footing with Arnav is moved beyond words!
At this point, she is both happy and sad. Happy coz her man has upheld her honor but she can sense the strain in the relationship as well as how much it will pain her arnavji to be caught in the middle!

She will not let Arnav suffer in silence, she will make him open up, she will show him that by sharing his pain, he will reduce it and be free of the burdens!


Determined Arnav:

A man who is not used to show his emotions is visible moved by the presence of his grandmother! He wants to ask her so many questions but before he can do that, he is caught unawares at the way his wife is being treated!
Loved his shock at dadi moving her feet away and denying khushi her blessings. He is Shocked, sad and hurt by this.
Arrival of dadi invokes all bitter memories, most prominently where he sees his mother running away. He is unsure of the reason for dadi's sudden arrival at RM, how will that change his equation, would that effect khushi in any way or not! He is still immersed in the thoughts when his lovely wife in her round-about way apologizes for doing something to anger his dadi.

He cannot take it if khushi blames herself for their marriage for he very well knows he is the one to be blamed! Even though he is worried and sad, he understands khushi's hurt immediately and being ASR, rightfully owns upto his mistake in order to lessen her burden!

What a beautiful scene. He is apologizing the way he does best, by his direct talks and actions. But he is not yet ready to give away all the hurt hiding inside him, share his pain. For he simply does not know how to do that. All is life, he has been the sponge who absorbs everyone's sorrow and difficulties. Before khushi, there was no one in his life to willingly wanting to share his torment. but now he has that support in his wife, that willingness to make his pain go away, to make him happy and heal him from within.Big smile

It will take time for him to come out of his shell but he will do it. Khushi's love will make him do that!

But it is completely intolerable for him to be compared to his father! How can he be compared  to that man for Arnav is an honorable, righteous man! For him, its the biggest insult and he cannot mask his loathing and anger while he talks about Senior Malik.

He is a man who will move heaven and earth to protect his wife, her honor. And he does the same today. He declares in front of his rigid grandmother that he will not let any disrespect come to khushi. If she is not allowed to enter her world, so is he. If she does not want to accept khushi as her bahu, he will not have any relationship with her. He is, where khushi is.Big smile




Love, Sumi



Another beautiful post from DC by Coolgal !!!

* Courageous Nani:

* Adamant Dadi:

* Apprehensive khushi:

* Determined Arnav:


i cudn't pick as i loved everything dear... Clap

luv n Hug ...








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Posted: 08 August 2012 at 5:11am | IP Logged
Originally posted by redwine1

Originally posted by nebuna

sampin see

though arnav has a bad past you have no rights to spoil
another girls life
remember kushi was just attracted to him
but she was not in love at that point
if he had nt forced her into marriage
she would nt have going through dadi words now
support is fine  the root cause is arnav

dont think i am taking on you
i am trying to explain


Nebuna .. hi .. for the sake of discussion 

this is a story being played .. Arnav the character has always been etched as the ANTI HERO .. yes he blackmailed her .. we have caught on to that .. BUT by marrying her in error .. he saved her life .. from a fate worse right .. what is to say slimy Shyam wouldnt have been able to convince or worse ruin her life .. 

barring making her sleep outside .. ( which she reciprocated ) .. what problems has arnav  made khushi face since after marriage .. 
I am not talking about corrections on the superficial plane winey..talking  corrections about on the mental plane,emotional plane..


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Posted: 08 August 2012 at 5:12am | IP Logged
Originally posted by redwine1

Originally posted by nebuna

sampin see

though arnav has a bad past you have no rights to spoil
another girls life
remember kushi was just attracted to him
but she was not in love at that point
if he had nt forced her into marriage
she would nt have going through dadi words now
support is fine  the root cause is arnav

dont think i am taking on you
i am trying to explain


Nebuna .. hi .. for the sake of discussion 

this is a story being played .. Arnav the character has always been etched as the ANTI HERO .. yes he blackmailed her .. we have caught on to that .. BUT by marrying her in error .. he saved her life .. from a fate worse right .. what is to say slimy Shyam wouldnt have been able to convince or worse ruin her life .. 

barring making her sleep outside .. ( which she reciprocated ) .. what problems has arnav  made khushi face since after marriage .. 

hi
arnav is an anti hero
for any girl you would want to decide your partner for your life
even when our parents look out for proposals when they
force us for just an introduction between families
though we have the option to stop it
we feel bad
here this girl was given no option to choose her life
add to it if it did go worse
she had her parents support
she could have def made that use
because shyam dirty minds were known to them
remember she was not in love when she married him
though it is a fiction these are delicate issues
i am in my mid 20's and i know what marriage means
and a life partner

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Posted: 08 August 2012 at 5:15am | IP Logged
Originally posted by redwine1

Originally posted by Krishyy808

Hay samm dont worry we r of same age group...Wink...nd i kn u r vry ballanced in case of supporting or commnting on ny character...i do read ur commnts...!!...chill samm.
Ppl taking chracters too seriously...do discuss abt thm...do analyse ovr thm...thr needs to be limit of commnting...(no offence to nyone)
abt DADI...see these types woman r still in this world its nt unreal...a writer cant creat a character 4m the heaven...thr always something related to reality...though i m also upset with too much humilation to ny characters...bt TRP end of the day matters...!!..

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 I wish .. every one in this forum.. who calls themselves .. a matured audience .. reads ur above post .. Krishyy u have floored me today with what u have written above .. 

@ bold : absolutely .. a character though fiction .. is REAL .. it may be figment of imagination .. but it is inspired from real life 

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heres a standing ovation for u .. Hug this is for not calling me a buddhi Wink
Loved your post.. a pov is a personal opinion ,subjective and need not interfere in the way u appreciate and understand characters ..as mature audience we can rise above our povs and be balanced in our approach...that is the beauty of growing up


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Posted: 08 August 2012 at 5:15am | IP Logged
i think the KD track was brought in to accommodate
barun s absence
it was just a filler
the story continues from the airport scene
and only the fact that 
kushi can go to any extent to save arnav
should be taken

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Posted: 08 August 2012 at 5:19am | IP Logged
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Perfect..sammy..they are equals like I have always said..the kidnapping was  I felt the redemption and realisation for khushi more than arnav..whereas this is theviceversa track for arnav more than khushi..both the tracks were designed in such a way that the they ultimately become a couple..move forward as a couple.one more thing the post was an answer to mav acc to my pov for this particular track..I hadn't written this in totality..I guess the phangirl in u was upset..u may disagree with it..but why did khushi fall in arnav and vice versa is not question which needs to be asked now..they were initially attracted to each other is the truth..pulled towards each other by a force unnamed is the truth..let me say destiny put them together..

Love came later in the equation..khushi accepting his diaboliical personality and arnav accepting her idiosyncrasies were part and parcel of falling in love.though khushi occupies a special place in heart.I watch the show for  the love I bear for arnav and khushi..no two views about that..

 Coming about dadi..I felt dadi though fossilised she is in her views..she reflects what arnav was before he met khushi. Though arnav has beens scarred by his past,his genetics to have played a part in defining his personality..nobody can escape genetics,,neither you nor me..Yeah,I agree about pseudo feminism bit which turns right winged most of the times and do appreciate dadi's introduction from that pov ...though there is nothing wrong in  being proud of one's feminism..


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This is my confusion..Lizzy...Today anyone supporting Khushi is a proud feminist..and anyone supporting ASR is an insensible fan girl??...Doesn't feminism have a boundary??Does that mean bashing anyone and everyone?Arnav and Khushi are both learning,right??!!!Maybe their circumstances are mature...but at the end of the day they are young..And they'll both stumble in the road of life..They still have communication problems...They are learning to live..to love..and they both will make mistakes...

And as far as feminism issues are concerned...I prefer to be rather a humanist than a feminist...I would not support any wrong or injustice meted out to any human being...And one can always support Khushi..But a Khushi VS ASR war is definitely not a pleasant thing to watch !!

All said and done..You know this is totally my opinion...and I really like you Lizzy...Here on DC..You and Winey know me for a pretty long time,right??!!So you guys know me more than anyone hereBig smile

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