Originally posted by Maverick29
Originally posted by paayaal
Originally posted by sampin
Originally posted by iritz
Originally posted by Maverick29
Our friend Maverick29 has posted this on another thread... I have replied to him on a PM and will be posting my reply next... What do you think of the above post !!! Let's have a healthy discussion !!!
It's nothing but a venting out of a frustrated Khushi fan...I've been a fan of his write-ups but sorry..Couldn't agree with his points here...
it's too acidic...not only for the show but also for the forum members!!!!
Yep, it is meant to be ACIDIC. Iritz said that I might have some fun discussing stuff with some "open minded people" on this thread. So, let me explain why I wrote this:
1. For some reason there is a percentage of population that either doesnt believe that Khushi was wronged or that she deserves a clear apology for all the acts by Arnav -- in face of a mountain of evidence -- I would love to discuss it with people who deny it at least once to see where they are actually coming from. I agree, Khushi has been wronged, & not just once but many times!!! & she did get an apology from Arnav...remember the biwi TV episode, Khushi twists her ankle, while applying balm Arnav apologises to her...that apology was all the wrongs he has done against her, knowingly & unknowingly!! Remember ASR is a character who believed hez always right...when he had to apologise to her the 1st time (ASR & Anjali's parents barsi episode), he had to practice saying sorry in front of the mirror, even then it took a lot of words & tears from Khushi for him to actually say it!!!!
NOPE! That was just an apology and yes we did want to interpret that as "a bigger apology" and if you had read my post which I shared with Ritzy, I also made a post on the Pearls talking about it being beautiful.
But a meaningful adult conversation where he sits with his wife and simply says this -- and this can be done a million ways -- be it before or after he convinces her of his love -- would be:
I was wrong in throwing you off the first floor -- anyone for that matter -- my anger overtook my better judgement and you know it as you said when you forced me to stay back on that Nainital trip. I was wrong in calling you a s**t, a wh**e and a Gold Digger -- that character assassination was completely uncalled for. I am also sorry about the fact that I forced marriage on you using "blackmail" -- I fell in love with you way before that and I was about to tell you about my love when I came to that terrace.
Now to the family an open discussion about why he forced marriage and then clear her of any "wrong doing" with Shyam because ASR is the biggest witness.
With these done the rest is just a matter of them being Husband and Wife -- that is a true apology -- not this kakamami BS of holding her anklet and saying "sorry" -- I was ok with calling them BABY steps but these damn BABY steps are now interrupted by NANI.
2. I dont know since when Redemption became a bad word! I used to think that when someone does something wrong they should just apologize or make up! ...the word Redemption is not bad, but in what form do want ASR to repent??
The things hez doing for Khushi is his redemption...e.g.the gifts that he gave her on Rakhi celebration night...chana, Salman Khan poster, jalebi, gol gappe, the pearl necklace...He has realized that his wife is not impressed by his money, she never was. It's the simple things in life that give her pleasure & bring a smile on her face. Her happiness lies in other people's happiness...this was his way of saying sorry for all the times he has used the word 'aukat' & to demean her with their class & social differences in the past, this was his way of saying sorry for when he told her that, 'being Mrs.Arnav Singh Raizaada is a very profitable title for her, because now she has money & status attached to her name!!!'
The symbolism of gifting pearl necklace was very beautifully explained by Ruby & guys on DC that day, if u can pls read that, u'll get what I'm trying to say here.
No one's denying that Arnav needs to apologise to Khushi, but he is doing it, just in his style!!!
See my text above -- we are not talking about constant apologies -- what he already started is the right thing -- he made her see that he cares about what she likes/dislikes -- that took some time. But there are other things that a WIFE wants from her husband in terms of understanding. THIS IS NOT SOMEKIND of a class punishment for the guy. This is to make sure he has a great relationship with his wife and he lets her tell him all her likes and dislikes at all times.
The best marriages are those where the woman "feels" like she is in control because that gives her "security" -- this control doesnt have to be real. YEP he is ASR but he is also human. So far the CVs have only shown his great "control" powers being used against KHUSHI.
He fights with nani but shuts up, he constantly apologizes to Anjali, he cannot say a thing to Mamiji ... But when it comes to Khushi he was all out there. Now that he has toned that down -- we are seeing some development.
3. Then there is the name game -- just so it makes it easy to dismiss people's opinion -- Oh they are so and so and we named them that so we dont need to pay attention to any points -- why? it is easy to just make blanket statements rather than discuss something.
4. Then there is the crowd that thinks "criticizing something somehow makes sure that IPKKND will go off air" -- just because people criticized.
First, Kushi was wronged there are no two ways about it.
Second Arnav and Khushi are in LOVE so they should get together.
That coming together should keep "dignity" of both sides. Not just screw around with some "hero worship".
I am a fan of Khushi because of the qualities shown by the same writers -- why do I like Khushi:
1. She is a strong, hard working, a person with self-respect, respect for her culture, love and affection for her family.
2. She solves every problem with love and affection.
3. She is played beautifully by Sanaya.
Now what is wrong in liking a person like that? Does that mean that I will always think that ASR is wrong -- well you saw my posts. My question is WHY DOESNT everyone like this girl? She is completely non-controversial, she as a fictional character is just a good girl so why do people have a problem with her?
This a public forum, like there are people who have problem with Khushi there are also people who have problem with Arnav. We can't really deny somebody wanting to put forward their feelings for a particular character, irrespective of our own personal feelings!!! U said it, it's a democracy, where people have a right to freely express their feelings...& they are doing it.
U like Khushi's character, next time u read a post against her, pls either ignore it or take it with a pinch of salt, because at the end of the day Arnav & Khushi are just fictional characters, created for TV, for entertainment, not for raising a national debate!!!
You seem to be under some weird impression that I go after people that are against my views. What you are doing now is "preaching" to someone you dont even know. DID YOU EVER CATCH ME GOING AFTER PEOPLE BECAUSE OF THEIR VIEWS??? COme back to talk to me when you do. For now lay off that topic.
So, the "naming" population is doing so because they themselves are actually doing it -- being subjective about people on the show!
Now for why I had to make it acidic. If someone is paying attention to this forum and they belong to the CV group, they need to know how strongly some people feel about this current situation.
k I don't know this, but are u sure for people as busy as the CVs are, they have time to read all these posts & act or react accordingly???
They themselves said that they get daily synopsis. This is part of their god damn job. They are entertainers and the better get in line to understand what people want so they can entertain. Remember, they work for US not the other way around. If I walk away and a bunch of people do the same, they dont have a living the next day. So, it is a simple relationship -- I help them telling them what is working and what is not. I dont expect that they will use everything but I am just ok with a few major things that majority want implemented. That is all.
I havent seen a single good thing here. No one is happy, there is nothing FUN, everyone is just deadpan in what they are doing ...by here are u referring to the forum???
DADI is who I am referring to. I cannot see how this weird character with all the poison she brings is going to make the show entertaining!
So, if this continues the show loses its "uniqueness" and that will result int he death of the show...the show hasn't left it's uniqueness, it's still the only show on Star Plus thats stuck to it's tag line for the 1+ yr thats it been running...ask us girls, we're dying to c some romance between the lead & all we get are some stolen moments & the rest all drama...
Well the TRPs are around 2.5 and some of you girls may want some romance but, the UNIQUNESS of the show was really in the treatment of a simple story -- it flowed and all the characters had a lot of HIDDEN good -- for the last few months all we have seen is "MORE BAD" coming out of people and Khushi becoming a door mat Bahu.
That is where the hell is. Like I said in my post -- at some point, I will stop giving a damn so the hell with the morons -- there are a lot of options out there.
So, if we as critics who want the show to continue, cannot give good advise and think "criticizing" will only lead to "NEGATIVITY" (another favorite theme on the forum) -- we will be contributing to the demise of the show....ok I'll chance ur acidic comments on this but, I think u r visiting some wrong threads on IF!!!
Not everyone will have the LOVE for the show to keep giving it chances. You guys are passionate about it and hence you are here on the forum day and night writing away. Most people watch it for 20 mins -- if all they see is crap like Anjali getting jealous or Dadi practicing Caste System -- people WILL change the CHANNEL. So, when our writers are being "clueless", we need to give them a CLUE....c the tracks keep changing according to the need of the hr & of course the TRP!!! The CVs have to maintain a fine balance between the two...to keep the audience & the channel happy so that they can survive in the longer run...
Like I said, this is not working for me. So, I made sure I said it out LOUD and as clearly as it possibly can be said. Whatever happens with them after this is completely upto them. If they want some more people hating the show's direction -- continue with the GREAT untouchable dadi!
That is the fundamental basis of ANY democracy in real life as well. Dormant people who say "oh someone else will take care of it" will never help change anything. So, like anything in life, everything we do represents who we are!!!
I dont think we are people who enjoy a girl getting beaten up over and over again.
As for redemption -- What I am expecting is a simple situation where Arnav accepts the fact that his ways may have hurt his favorite human being. Then just let that person know that he wouldnt do it again because he knows better. If he can convey that to his wife, and make her comfortable, we actually have a Great Couple.
So, Your imagination of what redemption means is something I obviously am not familiar with....have explained above...
Finally, the reason for the strong language is simple -- many a time yelling shuts people down -- those are the sensitive people but then those people hear fine and listen to everything. But there are those that dont really listen too well. To get their attention, you just have to SCREAM and say some shocking things. That definitely gets their attention.
Now what I wrote is on at least 20-30 pages on the forum. That may fall in the hands of the writers and the SCREAMING may actually have an impact because till now they have been dismissing everything as "ranting by hormonal females" -- the writer this time is a sane and generally very level headed GUY. If they call me hormonal they have another thing coming.