Originally posted by Freethinker112
Who said that? We put Big Bang at t=0. We are not in a position to say what happened before that. I merely pointed out that theists are ready to believe God was not created and has always existed, which is odd as you noticed. So, if THEY are ready to believe that something can always exist, better apply it to the Universe which is there and we can observe it rather than an imaginary being of which there is no available data. I was improving their theory, I don't agree with it.
First read my reply for your first argument.
Occam's razor. Here one entity will simplify things because God doesn't add anything to the equation. We can simply apply the always existing property to Universe, which we know is there rather than an imaginary being. In this case, one will be simpler than two.
I don't think all science is "common sense" otherwise we would know it intuitively. And we can study the Universe with the senses we have been equipped. And no, it does not get you the license to spin fantasies. On one hand you claim that we have such limiting views, and on the other hand you make big, ridiculous claims which I can't understand how you came to know since our perspective is so limiting.
no no, i am not the one spinning fantasies here, although i wish i could come up with a science fiction book or two like everyone else
. I am simply pointing out how one's argument about the universe always existing is eerily similar to other arguments about God always existing. If we can make one statement based on no science you can come up with, others can make the other statement based on the very same lack of science.
also we can put big bang or big mac wherever/ whenever we want. Point is that something must have preceded it, unless we also want to say that the very concept of time (and therefore precedence) does not make sense before Big Bang. For some very strange reason, you want to get back to t=0 but want to ignore what came before. For me, the origins of the universe (if any) are key to questions regarding existence of God. Somehow you stop before we get to that point.
by the way, what's the big, ridiculous claim i made? Or did you just throw that in there for effect?