Not fair. Since you made the claim, it is up to you to provide the proof. Can you prove Harry Potter is not real? Maybe we are really muggles and can't see the wizard world? Stupid isn't it? If someone claims that Harry Potter exists, then it is up to them to prove it.
What is that A to Z nonsense? How dies it even relate to the thread? And yes, A can create Z after it was created by B. You didn't give the timeline of the creation of letters.
Nope, if God can exist without creation, so can the singularity from which Universe originated. Why make things complex by inserting an imaginary God, of which there isn't any proof.
How do you know if he exists outside of realms of space and time? Nobody can look there, or even know if such a thing exists. And you are telling me you know about the things present there? You can look beyond space-time?
Yeah, Big Bang created the time. And yes, there existed a singularity before it. And no, it still doesn't mean that there was a intelligent or conscious creator.
Yeah, you can say the same thing about God, but the difference is that I can show you the Universe but you can't show me God. Yes Big Bang is a theory, but theory means that the proof has already been presented. The Big Bang model can offer real proof which I can show you. What proof can you show about God? I also believe in things that makes sense, therefore I choose science. And science is confused? Really? You call proof confusion? What about, NO.
If you cannot create something out of nothing, who created God? you always dodge this question. Stop doing that.
How can you believe that? I say I know everything but will not tell you anything. Whatever is happening to me, I have created that. I know when I am going to die, but I won't tell you. In fact, I won't tell you anything about your future too, which i have written. I will remain mysterious. Isn't that exactly what God does? He takes mysterious test, he will never come and show himself, he knows everything but won't tell anyone or stop bad things from happening. I am doing the same. I am God. Can you prove I am not?
Gravitation is fundamental property, nobody is holding together everything. And if you won't agree, then I will say God cannot also function by himself. What makes him do Godly things? What gives him powers? Can you answer that? Don't think so. And if you are saying that it is as it is, then I will say gravitation and other laws of Universe are as they are.
And yes, even if you leave a child to its own, it will learn to walk on its own. And planes and missiles fly without being controlled by a man, haven't you heard of the term "Autopilot"? And now, Google has even made cars that can drive themselves. It's simple engineering, sensors and calculations. All thanks to science.
When, i give a test, I sign up voluntarily, know the rule, can contact the test taker anytime, and know what will happen if I pass. Now, I don't remember signing up to be born human, can't contact the test taker, and don't know what happens if I pass. So, not exactly a test, is it?
If God created humans, why not perfect humans who don't have evil thoughts? He put evil thoughts in our mind because if he designed our brains if he designed us, that means he is evil if he exists. Not praise worthy. And no evil doesn't need to exist. Are you saying you can't live without evil?
You really have no knowledge of biology. Eggs are not airtight, they have very small pores that allows for exchange of Oxygen and Carbon Dioxide. If you don't believe, seal an egg in a cloth or plastic and leave it. The egg will never hatch. The liquids inside are his food. And he doesn't appear magically inside the shell, it develops inside.
Again Mr. Mackenzie is doing reverse argument. The Universe came first and then we evolved because situation was right. Situation was not right so that we could come, we came because it was right. You are reversion cause and effect. When you put a water into a container, it takes the shape of container. You don't say the container was designed to hold the water in that exact shape, no. You say the water takes the shape of container. Likewise, we adapted and evolved according to the conditions, Universe didn't adapt for us. If there was a intelligent creator, why not create life everywhere in Universe? Because nobody was creating, we just randomly evolved in the right conditions. Now, only one right conditions in such a big area as our solar system and even galaxy, does it seem like intelligent creation? No, it appears random.
Universe began by Big Bang. But it didn't start in any point of time, because time was simultaneously created with space. They both came into existence together. And the source was singularity. And no Big Bang model have no place for God, neither it is a proof of God.
Again, as I said, life adapted to conditions and evolved not vice versa.
And again you are promoting stupidity by saying we should not ask questions. If he is so good, righteous, and caring, what's the problem in coming here and giving some answers? Why doesn't he come when a person is very much need of him, has faith, and crying for his help? Where the hell is God, then?
I will ask questions just like may people have, but he didn't come to answer because there is no God. And even if there is, by seeing the state of world, I will say he did a very poor job and I could have done it better. I also have decided,but unlike you I am ready to change my mind if I see some proof. But since nobody can provide one, I take my stand. And I also have got nothing to lose.
It was nice to discuss with you. I would just advice you to keep and open mind and think for yourself.
Edited by Freethinker112 - 07 August 2012 at 4:55am