Posted: 05 October 2012 at 9:34pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by Vintage.Wine Freethinka
Bonzer !! .
@ Bold 1: Why does physical damage kill us
..<<< This question is thought provoking and we might need to resort to analogies to answer that correctly ..Tell me this ..Why do you change your scruffy, worn out clothes
? You can still use em...You change them cause of two reasons .You need to look more presentable with a new spiffed outfit..Those old clothes are now useless for you ... There is a divine mechanism here ..A Body which is not functioning properly ..is the same as the worn out clothes
...Like your buy new ones .( Some even seal em..Cough cough !
) the soul as an energy abandons such diseased body and looks for a all new home
..Which means a newer body that can function well ...The memories ain't carried over ..They are lost too .Its a all new beginning of a fresh new life ... 'Vasansi jirnani yatha vihaya navani grihnati naroparani, tatha sharirani vihaya jirnani anyani samyati navani dehi'
I am tired of this analogy. I CAN wear and old cloth if I like which shows it's me who is powerful with a choice. Can a soul power a damaged body if it wants? No. That means there is no such powerful thing. If the body is what is functioning, and the person can't do anything without the body, where does soul figure in and what is its function?
And there is another fault with your logic. If you say that the soul provides us consciousness and is the thing that goes away when we die, it should remember the conscious experience. If it was the soul that was doing all the thinking and making sense of it all, it should remember the memories.
And how exactly does it enter and leave? And how does it provide life? Show me the exact place where it resides and the mechanism behind it providing life.
Originally posted by Vintage.Wine
@ Bold 2: That doesn't happen...But for the sake of debate let's assume it does..Even then no one knows how many souls are there..In a pre birth state ...Cause the theory is all Souls are a part of a source of mightier energy which can release infinite number of souls ...Aatma and Paramatma = The God ..The God as a concept behind all source of energy ...Not all energy from which has been released as souls ...So N number of souls can exist that ll support life not just on the earth but elsewhere to ...the places not known to humans...The civilizations in newer worlds ..Micro organism ...which remains unexplored ...
Yes, it was a hypothetical case and it would be pretty stupid to say that children won't be born. Again, you said yourself that energy can neither be created nor destroyed. So, how can he create infinite souls? The number of souls has to be fixed. Which is illogical.
Originally posted by Vintage.Wine@ Bold 3: I guess we should try and think more freely here
.and not confine ourselves to the existing scientific knowledge and contort our view / imagination if we understand that science is yet not matured enough to understand many things ...No one from ancient times woulda believed we can fly across the continents within a matter of hours. But we do .. Now to the very important statement ..." Time didn't exist before the Big Bang'
<<<<<<< How could this be ?We might say we started measuring the time as a unit after that ...With that event as a starting point
...But actually that even wasn't the staring point ..How did big bang happen if nothing existed before that ? BIG BANG that released enormous amount of Gas and other Cosmic particles that engendered the cosmic bodies musta been caused as a result of a Pre Existing material
..Material existed which in turn means there was Time in which that material existed ...What will happen when the universe ends? All the stars die off ? They become ..Supernovas / Hyper novas and run outta energy after emitting that? SUN would die to ..so shall the biggest ever known Star VY in the constellation Canis Major ..which is a billion times bigger than the SUN and dispels energy at a massive rate ..It emits the same amount of energy each minute that the SUN emits in years .. he Universe would end ..But as the rule the energy can't be destroyed .It will Remain ..Another BIG BANG would happen and another worlds would float ..No this doesn't mean the times restarted itself..We as human assigned that a starting point far fetched back in time till the first event that we know of.
So, since we don't know, we should stop thinking scientifically and just shoot out theories? I am sorry but that doesn't cut it for me. And no. You may wanna read on Big Bang. Time was created simultaneously with Space during Big Bang.
And you have another common misconception of Big Bang. There wasn't some "point" with "blank space" around which exploded and "released Gas and particles". Everything that is present in the current Universe was there but confined in a small space. And there was no explosion of a point, the Bang took place throughout all space simultaneously. So, yes the Bang took place where you are sitting right now. A finite point can't blow up to an infinite. The universe was infinite then too, just many times smaller than current Universe.
What exactly do you mean by end of Universe. We can't exactly predict the future, you know. We can't exactly say another Big Bang would happen. It might have possible if the Universe started collapsing and became small again. But it is currently expanding and the rate of expansion is accelerating.
And time isn't some Universal clock that ticks that you can restart. We can't even say exactly what time is. Can you even measure time without motion? If everything in Universe acme to a standstill will time exist?
Originally posted by Vintage.Wine
As you very rightly pointed out that the unknown exists ..That unknown who set those rules...that created the cosmic material ..That unknown who has always existed...The same unknown who we call the GOD ..who is beyond our mundane senses and platonic scope...And we would do so until we prove otherwise..
Yes unknown exists. No, there is no evidence that unknown set some rules. No, we cannot say whether the unknown created cosmic material or both came simultaneously or whether they have existed forever. And since we don't even know what that unknown is, how can you attach attributes to it that it created things and so and so? And it is up to you to prove that the unknown did this things and we won't believe in it until you do so.
Originally posted by Vintage.Wine
@ Bold4: Sure ...that is the Ultraviolet spectrum ..You musta noticed that a few creatures like CATS abruptly gaze somewhere ...which we believe is nowhere .Cause nothing can be seen with our eyes at the place they look at ...Why ? Cause Cats can see ultraviolet objects...which is beyond the color spectrum that the humans can see. The photos snapped with such cameras when someone dies have shown shapes and images unidentifiable to us..Which some consider to be the souls or some outer / inner layers of that complex energy ..Its simple ..The soul would leave the diseased body and enter another body which is fit to live ...The procedure of that is occult ...But that's the only belief we can resort to unless we contradict the science and start believing that the energy was Created ..and that it didn't exist permanently , timelessly ..
Really? You sure it is ultraviolet spectrum? So, considering so many people die everyday, just take a snap and show me the soul. It shouldn't be difficult right? Except that it isn't true and you can't.