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Posted: 15 August 2012 at 8:41pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by Freethinker112

Originally posted by krystal_watz

I'm sorry; but this is not a topic to take a purely theoretical approach to.


You are the one taking the theoretical approach, I am fully practical.

Yep, I know your "practical" approach. Respecting a mother-child relationship= Sati. How...PRACTICAL. Whereas any random person would puke at the very thought, you're trying to justify it and calling it "practical". **Edited: Personal attacks** Very practical.


Originally posted by krystal_watz

The relationships we share with our parents and family members define our consciousness as civilized social beings.


Rules of society means nothing but the norms of majority. just because most people doesn't like incest doesn't mean nobody does neither does it make them wrong. They are just not common. And incest is not "uncivilized". And no, consciousness and relationship are two different things.
What deranged point are you making? Our parents give us life, nurture us emotionally and physically.


Originally posted by krystal_watz

And no, having sex with a family member is NOT okay under ANY argument.


Yeah, because everybody on Earth selected you to decide what everybody can or can't do. Wait, I missed that, when did that happen? If you don't like, nobody is forcing you to do it. Similarly you got no right to force anybody out of it.

We got the right to puke at the thought of it and consider people indulging in it as mentally ill. Don't we?


Originally posted by krystal_watz

As for mutual consent, it cannot be the benchmark for Right vs. Wrong.


So, mutual consent has no meaning? Okay then let'slegalizerape, after all you are saying mutual consent is overrated. Let's allow other people to decide what is good for you.
You need to have an idea of what you're saying. EVERY SINGLE thing we do, is dictated by society. You don't run naked in the streets, you don't crap on the road because SOCIETY tells you to have shame. Oh yeah, LAWS and LEGALITY are an extension of social mores. It's societal morality that tells you that murder/rape/ harming/emotionally hurting others is unethical. Animals kill without any inhibition. I guess by your warped logic, we should disband society and go back to living in the caves since every effin' thing you do is decided by the "SOCIETY". Huh?! Actually yep, we should legalize rape because "society considers it a crime." You are so lost, bro.


Originally posted by krystal_watz

There is an unwritten code of ethics that surround familial relationships, and those are not to be transcended.


Yeah, just like there was unwritten "code" regarding sati and other social malpractices. We eradicated them, and we will eradicate this too.

Eradicate what? Not having sex with father/mother/sister/brother? You're messed in the head. Our parents give BIRTH to us, our relationship with them is the result of evolution of intelligence as well as morality. There's NO RELATIONSHIP considered higher in sanctity than the one a mother shares with her child. We owe our EXISTENCE to parents. Are you for real?


Originally posted by krystal_watz

No amount of reasoning can justify sister-brother or parent-child sex, sorry.


And again, who do you think you are that people need to justify their sex life to you? Right, nobody.


I still hope you're making some sick joke. For the last time, we ARE talking about parents having sex with children. Wow. Please go see a psychiatrist. You're severely messed up.

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Originally posted by krystal_watz

Yep, I know your "practical" approach. Respecting a mother-child relationship= Sati. How...PRACTICAL. Whereas any random person would puke at the very thought, you're trying to justify it and calling it "practical". Guess you wouldn't have a problem doing it with your mom. Very practical.

You need to comprehend better. If I am ok with something, it doesn't mean that I like it. I am ok with gay people, does not mean that I am gay. Similarly, if I am ok with incest it does not mean that I want incest. I fact, I think incest is gross and I can never even imagine doing it. But unlike you, I do not consider myself the de facto standard.


Originally posted by krystal_watz

What deranged point are you making? Our parents give us life, nurture us emotionally and physically.

And where did I say they don't?


Originally posted by krystal_watz

We got the right to puke at the thought of it and consider people indulging in it as mentally ill. Don't we?

Of course you got the right to "puke a the thought of it". You can consider it gross, and therefore are not forced to do it. But you got no right to stop people who like it.
And I would not go as far as considering them mentally ill, as they can say the same about you.


Originally posted by krystal_watz

You need to have an idea of what you're saying. 

Oh, I have got the exact idea of what I am saying.


Originally posted by krystal_watz

 EVERY SINGLE thing we do, is dictated by society. 

Maybe you are too bound, but not everybody is like you.


Originally posted by krystal_watz

 You don't run naked in the streets, you don't crap on the road because SOCIETY tells you to have shame. 

That is the norm yes. But people can break it if they want, it is not compulsory to follow them.


Originally posted by krystal_watz

 Oh yeah, LAWS and LEGALITY are an extension of social mores..

People in various regions may have different cultures, but still the law is same for all in the country. 


Originally posted by krystal_watz

 It's societal morality that tells you that murder/rape/ harming/emotionally hurting others is unethical.

Nope, that depends on conscience. You think if there was nobody to tell you it was wrong, you won't feel it?


Originally posted by krystal_watz

 I guess by your warped logic, we should disband society and go back to living in the caves since every effin' thing you do is decided by the "SOCIETY".

That sentence makes no sense. Society is group of people, it has no relation with technological advancement. Back when we lived in jungles, we still had societies.


Originally posted by krystal_watz

Actually yep, we should legalize rape because "society considers it a crime." You are so lost, bro.

You're the one who seems to be lost. You said we can't say a thing is right just because there is a mutual consent. That's why I retorted that if consent is of no value, rapist should not take it into account. That was by your warped logic.


Originally posted by krystal_watz

Eradicate what? Not having sex with father/mother/sister/brother?

Again eradicating it does not mean that everybody has to do it. It means that if someone wants to do it they are allowed. There are many malpractices in society, and we have to improve it by removing them. People should be more tolerating.


Originally posted by krystal_watz

You're messed in the head.

Actually, I was going to say that about you. You seem to be stuck in your messed mentality.


Originally posted by krystal_watz

Our parents give BIRTH to us, our relationship with them is the result of evolution of intelligence as well as morality. There's NO RELATIONSHIP considered higher in sanctity than the one a mother shares with her child. We owe our EXISTENCE to parents. Are you for real? 

And where did I say that above was not true? I know we owe our existence to them. But that doesn't mean that if they want to have sex with each other, their relationship is no longer "pure". Going by that logic, husband-wife relationship should be the most filthy one. No, it is not.
Yes, it seems dirty to me too and I can't even think how could someone have sex with his mother. But that doesn't mean everyone's brains work like me. Maybe some find it good. Who am I to judge? And who are you to judge?


Originally posted by krystal_watz


I still hope you're making some sick joke. For the last time, we ARE talking about parents having sex with children.

Nope, no joke. And yes I know, considering that is the topic of this thread.


Originally posted by krystal_watz

Please go see a psychiatrist. You're severely messed up.

Actually, I couldn't because every psychiatrist in the world is too busy figuring out what's wrong with your brain.


Edited by Freethinker112 - 16 August 2012 at 2:06am

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So, I finally get ya talking about "a conscience INDEPENDANT of society". Nice. ROFL Tongue
I guess, then "conscience" dosen't come into play while banging your own parents, is it? Do you realize the mere talk of anything called "conscience" would completely disband your argument? Would you not consider it "conscientally wrong" to have sex with a parent? Somebody you are supposed to consider the source of your existance and not your sexual partner?

You were previously arguing that ANY morality is a social construct, a rule of the majority. That argument alone nullifies the point of "conscience".And no sir, "ethics", "right" and "wrong" are social teachings. People don't know right from wrong unless they are taught by people who surround them from childhood. And the definition of Right and Wrong has evolved through ages. Finally, you just contradicted yourself. You had initially stated that you would be 'Ok' with an incestuous person, but later you claim, "..I find it dirty too. I cannot imagine how anybody would want to have sex with their mother". Confused much? LOL Yup, you definitely need a shrink.

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Posted: 16 August 2012 at 3:51am | IP Logged
Originally posted by krystal_watz

So, I guess "conscience" dosen't come into play while banging your own parents, is it? Yup, you definitely need a shrink.

Again, for some people, not me. I don't know how or why, but some people don't find it wrong. I am NOT one of them. But, I can tolerate them.
Told you already, they were all busy servicing you. And I think you need a crash course regarding comprehension also. You seem to be having a problem understanding that I don't like incest, merely tolerate it.

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Posted: 16 August 2012 at 4:22am | IP Logged
Originally posted by Freethinker112

Originally posted by krystal_watz

So, I guess "conscience" dosen't come into play while banging your own parents, is it? Yup, you definitely need a shrink.


Again, for some people, not me. I don't know how or why, but some people don't find it wrong. I am NOT one of them. But, I can tolerate them.
Told you already, they were all busy servicing you. And I think you need a crash course regarding comprehension also. You seem to be having a problem understanding that I don't like incest, merely tolerate it.

YOU are the one that has a comprehension problem. How much does one session with the shrink cost you? A lot, I believe.
Going into a corner now, are you? Didn't you just say that, "just because a parent and a child has sex, it doesn't make their relation impure"?. And, YOU compared a mother-child relationship with a husband-wife one on the point of sexuality. You were moving hell to justify it. Not to mention, you kept on contradicting your points with every alternate post you made. "UTTERLY Confused" is the key term for your entire presence in this thread.
I understand your parents' plight though. Must cost em a lot. It's THEM who has to pay for your sessions, after all.

Edited by krystal_watz - 16 August 2012 at 5:11am

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P.S. If anybody has the right to *tolerate* incest, anybody has the right to be intolerant towards it. But it seems to complicated for a dumbed-down-by-overt-theoretisation brain to comprehend.

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Posted: 16 August 2012 at 5:19am | IP Logged
Originally posted by krystal_watz

Didn't you just say that, "just because a parent and a child has sex, it doesn't make their relation impure"?. And, YOU compared a mother-child relationship with a husband-wife one on the point of sexuality.

My point was that sex does not degrade a relation if consensual. Though it is not the norm, if a mother son wants to have sex with mutual consent, it will  not make their relation impure.

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