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Heavy lifting : Monday : About Arnav's redemption (Page 2)

ipkkndholic IF-Rockerz

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Posted: 23 July 2012 at 12:59pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by Princyrose000

You are absolutely right.Its really painful to see our dear ones in redemption. Forgiveness is better to make our dears suffer and Khushi can do that. Not only Khushi,I feel God has given that ability to all the women.
Forgiveness, him saying sorry for what he has done - is all fine and needed. But I think redemption sounds very heavy.. harsh to me..
Every woman having the ability to forgive - I think its to risky to generalize that. Women may forgive easily - but in their own ways LOL which may not look like forgiveness to everyone LOLLOL
I mean - we hear all Saas - bahu stories right.. woman to woman.. do you still wanna generalize that?? Wink

ipkkndholic IF-Rockerz

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Posted: 23 July 2012 at 1:04pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by PCdublin

 A lovely know its funny I too compare Khushi's situation to stuff between my hubby and me..
Isn"t it funny how we women tend to forgive so easily...I think once we see the realization of their mistake in their eyes and know that they love us we look past the fights and move on...
Nobody said loving or being married is easy!!!
Blue - It just feels so natural to do that too.. isn't it? Tongue
Red - don't know if its always forgiveness or if it means accepting defeat / compromises ..
Green - Very well said !!! ClapClapClap
simran04 IF-Dazzler

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Posted: 23 July 2012 at 1:07pm | IP Logged
well said...Thumbs Up truly agree wid u!!!

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OmNaMaSteOm IF-Sizzlerz

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Posted: 23 July 2012 at 1:09pm | IP Logged
u have a point but i would still like to see arnav repenting its a treat to me & i dont like being deprived of such a lovely treat

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ipkkndholic IF-Rockerz

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Posted: 23 July 2012 at 1:23pm | IP Logged
First things first -
I am always happy to discuss different views.. your and everyone's opinion is respected.
I truely believe in my mind that - there is nothing right or wrong in this world.. its just what frame of reference you use to decide matters.. So what is right for me could be totally wrong / unacceptable for you and vice versa..
Everyone is invited with their opinions.. Please share freely..
Originally posted by RamnVij

Hmmm...I get what you are trying to say- but I would like to partially disagree with you here. Yes, seeing a Loved one in pain causes us hurt as well. But if Arnav does not really repent and redeem himself for all the harsh words and actions he has inflicted on Khushi, will that not somewhere cay use a barrier between them? And will it not encourage similar behavior from him in future? Or at least make him feel that Khushi is a pushover for such behavior?

If he doesn't truely love her - then yes... coz then Khushi will be a means for him to get the feeling of achievement that he is right all the time.. but here we know he loves her and suffers everytime he hurts her.. He is reflecting on his behaviour everytime.. If Khushi blocks him too, he will feel that she likes him when he is nice.. but that's not what he can be ALL THE TIME.. he will have the whole range of emotions..
I think its important for him to realize that the right emotion comes out for the right situation.. and doesn't have to be anger all the time..
His anger is really his own struggle with himself.. Khushi is just at receiving end.. she is actually letting him be.. and gradually when he observes himself - coz he is so expressive with her - he realizes where he is wrong.. She is his mirror... he knows when he is wrong by just looking into her eyes..
I think Khushi has got the right balance of agreement and rebellion for ASR.. that's what will keep him on track...
I am not saying, that Khushi has to hold the past against him and make him grovel for the rest of their lives together. But in my opinion, he just HAS to make a genuine heartfelt apology for what he has done. It does not matter that she's already forgiven him, at least he needs to acknowledge that his actions were terrible?
Indeed,he must... and I think he did that when he said it to her on phone that he can't forgive himself for what he has done to her... I think we want a more explicit one

Yes, marrying her forcefully was an act of desperation to protect his sister, and Khushi had erred in not having told him the full truth of Shyam beforehand. But didn't Arnav do wrong in not believing her when she did tell him everything? 
In Arnav's shoes - imagine the girl you think is having an affair with your husband - is telling you that its not her but its your husband who is making the advances.. will you believe.. and if you are pregnant at that time.. hell no.. BTW - I don't mean "you" "you".. but a role-play here.. I think situation was such that he just lost all faith - again (mind you the again part... it has played a very important role in making or ASR)
And after knowing the full truth of Khushi's innocence, Arnav still accusing her, (even if in a rage) of causing Shyam's cheating on his Di- that was a HUGE no-no.
This one I agree.. this is just losing his temper.. and hurting the person who is probably remotely responsible for what your loved ones are suffering.. I can't approve of it.. but sadly wanna say - someone with ASR's temper - its easy to say those words.. just getting it off the chest..
Fixing responsibility on the victim of a crazed obsessive maniac- in a small way, this is similar to people telling victims of molestation that what they wore, or how they behaved, invited the attack. I am sorry if that sounds harsh, I know its not the same thing, or in the same scale, but I do feel this blaming of Khushi, is a minor step in that way of thinking.
I understand where you are coming from... And had Arnav not shown any improvements, I would have said he doesn't deserve Khushi.. but that's not so right? It was unveiling of real Arnav - hidden behind ASR's facade.. Hence I feel these two are different.. Don't you?
For that, if not for anything else, Arnav has to express his guilt and shame. But anyway- this is just what I feel, not meant as a personal attack on your opinion or the characters on the show for that matter.

Do we want Arnav to suffer because Khushi suffered?
Khushi knows how bad it feels to suffer right? Then why would she want the same for her loved ones? Won't she be happy to see them happy?? Isn't that kind of their redemption - that they keep her happy???..

I would like to feel that Arnav now has a conscience and know right from wrong and will make a better judgement next time..
Just my opinion though Big smile

Edited by ipkkndholic - 23 July 2012 at 1:24pm

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westindian IF-Sizzlerz

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Posted: 23 July 2012 at 1:33pm | IP Logged
Absolutely agree.  Plus I have always believed that a person's actions peak louder than their words. He is starting to show her he cares and I think if he continues this way there is no need for a HUGE, DRAMATIC redemption track. She will see he means what he says by his actions.

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princessunara IF-Stunnerz

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Posted: 23 July 2012 at 1:45pm | IP Logged
@RamnVi:   i think u pretty much wrote what i was about to write after i read the 1st post...:-)

i don't want Khushi to be the one to hold the redemption demand! cz she loves him so much that she will forgive him even if he had tried to kill her!!

but if he loved her just as much, Arnav will find it hard to forgive himself!! and it will be khushi's job to make him realize they have to move on and she has forgiven and the best way forward is for him to forgive himself too!!

but for that he has to truly feel regret and self loathing for hurting the poor soul who had done nothing wrong other than loving him more than life itself.. that is the point they need to show!

So i honestly NEED (not want to see) a if he loved her as much as he claims it would be physically impossible to brush aside how much he has hurt her, be it forcefully marrying her and sullying her character in the eyes of the society and the whole family, or hurting her physically mentally and emotionally all these months, calling her characterless, telling her parents were lucky to be dead than see her, to finally telling her that she was responsible for enticing shyam..
and the icing on the cake him wishing he never met her as she was the one who was responsible for every wrong thing that went on in his life..

these are not little trifles...they have to deal with them..give Khushi the comfort and security that he is there for her and will not lash out at her when the going gets tough again...
have u noticed how khushi blames everything that goes wrong as her own fault whether it is actually so or not? Arnav needs to get her out of this mentality cz it is he himself who has contributed mostly to make her believe in this!! so the 1st step is to accept he was wrong and the EXTENT he was wrong and then repent!

@Tm: in ur marriage i guess before things went wrong there was a base right? where trust was built..
but in ArHi's case the trust never got to build up in the first place! for that to happen only, redemption has to happen!:-)
for an example, khushi loves Arnav dearly..but she doesn't trust him one bit not to hurt her again!! she almost expects him to!!
remember her words last week 'i am used to getting hurt from u!' when he asked her how her hand is after seeing his finger marks on her! this has to get over!!
for that they will need to show redemption!!

Edited by princessunara - 23 July 2012 at 1:48pm

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Posted: 24 July 2012 at 12:06am | IP Logged
Originally posted by AyeReKhushi

I agree with you in terms of real life but for the show, hell yes I want to see Arnav's redemption because it will be good drama as opposed to the Anjali crap we are seeing now.
Now that's a totally different angle.. Fiction - can be anything!!! Wink

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