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Posted: 18 January 2013 at 2:48pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by rasyafan

[QUOTE=princessofkesar]so exactly wat i mean is taps rape case was turned into favour of rathore by cvs.
wat is shown in ut was not correct
and there is no fault of taps here
she never told rathore that she wants to sleep wid him.
she had lost her senses , and could not say no .

so rathore escaped punishment but yuvi got,

that does not mean rathore is not a rapist .


imagine if it was reality , all guys would do that.

take  ur frn to party , intoxicate her , rape her and  than blackmail her to marry.


rape against consent even done on one's wife is rape
rape on prostitute is rape

i don't understand wat u mean by tapu 's fault here?

so basically ut never showed logical things no wonder i never liked it.
watching only for sree n saurabh.

if they create a scenario where mukta herself bails him out , to save meethi n iccha and marries him. later on yuvi turns positive 
there should be no problem ,
coz   worse than this are accepted by audience.

i m  just supporting  a pair of my fav actors wid awesome chemistry.



you answered that correctly Tapu lost her sudh coz she was drunk which she knowingly had from rathor even asked for more and which is why she slept with rathor and did not report to the police which is why Raghu never got declared Rapist that menas he was not

whereas Yuvraj attempted to rape mukta which mukta reported to the police she was not drunk that is why he got jailed and declared rapist


you answered that yourself

.lol wat is this if mukta had lost case yuvi will be not termed as attempt to rapist,
if so than every1 would have prayed mukta to loose as yuvi would never got blot on his character.
btw yuvi has attempted rape , he did not rape mukta

whereas rathore raped taps , and escaped punishment from law.

still he is rapist
he should have told jogi to turn him upside down and punch him too.
b4 wat he did to yuvi.

yuvi got all the punishment wat he deserved , infact much more for attempt

and in ut murders like vishnu n tej are free

rathore rape case is turned into his favour by increasing negativity of taps
\nani never gets punishment.


so y u think yuvi got punishment?

it is just to start his reformation , his character was scarificed just make his mom mahaan
otherwise yuvi has not done a severe  crime. other than stupid mistakes.
nothing compared to taps.
if people have accepted taps after all this,

no probs to accept yuvi.


Edited by princessofkesar - 18 January 2013 at 2:52pm

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Posted: 18 January 2013 at 3:09pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by princessofkesar

i don't want other illogical things to discuss

so wat if  taps drank alcohol?
u mean if modern girl drinks  alcohol wid her frn and looses her sense and than  her male frn takes her advantage it is justifiable?


illogical part was taps did not complained.


wrong mentality , oh she wears moderns dress , she drinks alcohol , she gave me frnly  hug , she invited me at her house , she had many boyfrn , she is cheap girl  this r lame excuses by man to justify rape.


i support yukta but never supported wrong doing of yuvi.


even if taps was gf of rathore , he had no ethical right to have intimcy wid her as basic factor consent was lacking here.


she could not resist coz she was not in her sense

otherwise raping mental retarded child , disabled people , small children will be not considered rape as they are not aware of wat is happening to them or unable to resist.




what if Tapu seduced him and brought him in her bed what if he resisted what if Tapu raped him just because he is a man then he will pay why if tapu forced him raped him then it would be her who raped him so she shud also go to jail .


if tapu did not complain then why is raghu a rapist


here the point is Mukta complained and yuvraj went to jail

I am not talking about general things I am talking about what happned in uttaran


if girl is moderen or not if she says no to sex that means no but if she is drunk and gets involved with a man then she is also responsible till that point when she says no after words if her partner forces her then it is rape which was not the case with Tapu and Raghu

Uttaran never showed consent or no consent in Raghu or Tapu's case so they never showed if it was actually Raghu's fault my dear

so I am not discussing anything about which did not happen in Uttaran

through out I am saying things which actually happeend in Uttaran why Raghu is not at fault as both Raghu and Tapu both are clearly at fault and why mukta is not at fault whereas Yuvraj is at fault

Mukta's fault was also that she went to meet yuvraj alone in that hotel room but how was she supposed to know what he would do to her here she is a modern girl she shud be free to go anywhere esp to meet someone whom she knows v well but then everyone should take care of their own security and safety here Tapu's fault was that she invited Raghu in her room and received alcohole asked for more where was her sense of security and safety she is also a modern woman

But my dear simply a veil of modernity does not prevent anyone from danger or death today everyone likes freedom but still there lurks a danger at every corner and alley we have to decide the limit of modernity and freedom

example why a girl alone can move around in Bombay at 2 am or three am but a girl in delhi would rather stay at home after 7 pm and would think twice before leaving at 6 or 7 am she usually thinks a little bit of more light in the morning and more people then only I would go out because of her own safety

price we all are paying my dear for causing so many hurdles in life of our own making

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Posted: 18 January 2013 at 3:31pm | IP Logged
i m also not talking general now


tapu did not complaint , as she realized it late , 

my point is just coz there was no case n evidence against him , he can't be labelled clean.

mukta is not born out of air and tapu accepted him out of majboori.
and u only said na  that she accused  him and  was angry wid him.

did they show tapu seducing him?

i have faint memory
where she is totally unconscious , he makes her lie down on bed.

wen she gave consent?


ok best for me will be to enumerate the cases where accused got punishment


there r cases where , a man was charged of rape as he had raped women and she did not resisted him as she thought he was her hubby due to dark.
this case occured in jhopad patti where houses r congested and man usually come drunk late nite to harasser their wife


than there is clause in ipc where if women resist initially , but later on gives no resistance to his advance , still he will be charged .

major point against him
is 

taps was not in sense to give consent
she does not even remembered incident.
she never expressed her desire to sleep wid him prior to it.
was not ready to marry but was blackmailed initially and later on married him in majboori.

a responsible man will never do it.

if he is man of principal , would have never taken advantage even if she gave him hints as she was drunk .[ which taps never gave] 
so rathore is not dhud ka dhula

u r just giving him benefit of doubt where as circumstantial evidence are against him.


  

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Posted: 18 January 2013 at 3:34pm | IP Logged
Princess You know uttaran's biggest illogical fault is that the manner in which they portrayed Yuvraj by making him characterless they wanted to shock viewers but it made sense also in a way the way Yuvraj turned out to be just coz mai brought him up like mai like vansh like Yuvraj but their illogicalness can be seen here in that that why is veer so different why not veer is like mai vansh or yuvraj

Since Yuvraj is also Ichchhas son then why did he not become like Ichchha and Yuvraj does not have any qualities of either Veer or Ichchha but has all the qualities of Mai and vansh

It is really sad the way you people feel like Yuvraj he was made to act like the way he did

This is the point of whole game to portray the upbringing of Mai especially in the absense of his mother Ichchcha

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Posted: 18 January 2013 at 3:54pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by princessofkesar

i m also not talking general now


tapu did not complaint , as she realized it late , 

my point is just coz there was no case n evidence against him , he can't be labelled clean.

mukta is not born out of air and tapu accepted him out of majboori.
and u only said na  that she accused  him and  was angry wid him.

did they show tapu seducing him?

i have faint memory
where she is totally unconscious , he makes her lie down on bed.

wen she gave consent?


ok best for me will be to enumerate the cases where accused got punishment


there r cases where , a man was charged of rape as he had raped women and she did not resisted him as she thought he was her hubby due to dark.
this case occured in jhopad patti where houses r congested and man usually come drunk late nite to harasser their wife


than there is clause in ipc where if women resist initially , but later on gives no resistance to his advance , still he will be charged .

major point against him
is 

taps was not in sense to give consent
she does not even remembered incident.
she never expressed her desire to sleep wid him prior to it.
was not ready to marry but was blackmailed initially and later on married him in majboori.

a responsible man will never do it.

if he is man of principal , would have never taken advantage even if she gave him hints as she was drunk .[ which taps never gave] 
so rathore is not dhud ka dhula

u r just giving him benefit of doubt where as circumstantial evidence are against him.
  


if they did not show tapu seducing then they also not showed her being seduced also she did not complain that does not make Raghu a rapist

he does not make her llie down she goes to bed on her own

consent given or not given is also not shown

no such thing shown in uttaran

even after that had tapu complained then yes Raghu would have been declared a rapist BUT TAPU DID NOT COMPLAIN at that time...or any time in uttaran...they got married out of majboori or not is not reevent here


but Mukta clearly declares Yuvraj a criminal due to which he got jail

to conduct self one should be responsible it applies both to a man and a woman tell me a woman does want to sleep with her boy friend then her boy friend should not make love to her to keep her honor why this is double standard these are modern times she shud be ready to sleep with him and be responcible for what she is doing

you are saying tapu is modern enough to invite a man in her room modern enough to accept a drink from him but when both of them sleeps together then a man should be only responcible to take care of her honor why she is modern she can say no she should also be conscious why a man alone shud pay for her carelessness these are modern times both the parties involved shud be responcible of what they are doing both of them were drunk is it not double standard it is okay if tapu is drunk and unconscious to say no but at the same position a man a drunk at that should be consciou7s and responcible to take care of honor of that woman for sex with a woman who did not say no when she was drunk sorry a judge would also look at the case from the point of man otherwise injustice would prevail

Princess for a modern point of view that sounds pretty much outdated


Edited by rasyafan - 18 January 2013 at 3:57pm

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i m never supporting his short cumings, he is bad boy.

never supported his revenge plan being  biggest fan of yukta 
wen almost  whole forum was rejoicing over it just coz they thought it will teach mukta lesson. as she had neg shades.


but y i feel for him
i feel his pain of motherless child hood
the way he adored torn photo's of iccha
the way he cried for his mom in jail
the way he accused her in court
the way he said that wen he used to fall down on ground and get hurt  no one was there to lift him up.

mai just covered his mistakes n gave him money, so he felt she cares for him
nether veer nor amla took care of him.

so only women he cares is mai.


coming to yukta equation
i just like this pair not only due to their chemistry but  due to difficulty level in their relationship.

both were exchanged n raised by opp parents for sum tym

so they were bound by destiny,

mai n jogi r toh rivals , jogi has vowed that no gal from his house will be given to that family.


and now this case, 

wen he will be released  situation will again n again make them face eachother,
both r connected to center point iccha one loves her one hates her.


he has soft side too
he is the same guy who mixes drug in mukta's drink and same tym he makes meethi aware of spiked drink  wen she seks advice for him.

he falls for same mukta in dance party  whom he used to tease n fight wid, just by one makeover.

so b4 revenge he had attraction towards her , more of physical though.


he gets angry wen she used to not pick his calls, or would speak about aman. even  wen he was planing revenge at one point he actually yearned for her frnship, but was disappointed as he thought she was just using him . [which was not true , she actually cared for him. but only as frn]

so i feel it worth to see their equation , if this  two individuals polar opposite , from rival family sharing love hate relation, once upon tym best frn and enemies too, linked to iccha in different way  are united.

three results


no 3 [which i m not interested ] yuvi will remain neg , n die like vansh
no 2 will turn positive and go away like taps to do remorse , become baba of sum ashram. 
[ i don't think peps will njoy  n cvs will give justice to this track]


no1 my fav
- love story the way beauty n beast had.

making this beast  , who has tendency to do evil things into just a perfect man , coz i felt a softness inside  his  stony heart which is yet to be resurfaced by true love.

more entertaining to watch , specially wid gus actor like srj

so i support it , for option no1 





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Posted: 18 January 2013 at 4:14pm | IP Logged
lol taps was not responsible i agree, but she was not so down to sleep wid any random guy.
clearly  rathore took advantage , ut cvs just made in his fav by not showing incident properly.
so there was no sympathy for her.

it was upto audience to decide whom to blame

for me , it is important that she never gave consent and watever happened to her was against her wish.

wat reason u pointed against taps na , if court had to consider than his punishment would have decreased but he would have been  punished.

unfortunately ut cvs never showed it, coz they make pairs i weird ways.
.double standards for both cases
coz in other case to prove iccha's mahanta it was necessary.
i m sure if iccha was there wen rathore was about to get close to taps,
outcome of this case would have been different.


i will always blame rathore in this case ,.
 

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Posted: 18 January 2013 at 4:34pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by princessofkesar

i m never supporting his short cumings, he is bad boy.

never supported his revenge plan being  biggest fan of yukta 
wen almost  whole forum was rejoicing over it just coz they thought it will teach mukta lesson. as she had neg shades.

sadist

today i cant sleep because just now I saw real pik of Damini I am scared Cry


but y i feel for him
i feel his pain of motherless child hood
the way he adored torn photo's of iccha
the way he cried for his mom in jail
the way he accused her in court
the way he said that wen he used to fall down on ground and get hurt  no one was there to lift him up.

i can understand he went thrugh the same thing tapu went thru

mai just covered his mistakes n gave him money, so he felt she cares for him
nether veer nor amla took care of him.

mai = nani
veer amla = jogi divya


hisotry repeating itslef

so only women he cares is mai.

as tapu did nani


coming to yukta equation
i just like this pair not only due to their chemistry but  due to difficulty level in their relationship.

both were exchanged n raised by opp parents for sum tym

so they were bound by destiny,

but I wud have liked it if as siblings

mai n jogi r toh rivals , jogi has vowed that no gal from his house will be given to that family.


and now this case, 

wen he will be released  situation will again n again make them face eachother,
both r connected to center point iccha one loves her one hates her.

u hve a point here

he has soft side too
he is the same guy who mixes drug in mukta's drink and same tym he makes meethi aware of spiked drink  wen she seks advice for him.

he falls for same mukta in dance party  whom he used to tease n fight wid, just by one makeover.

so b4 revenge he had attraction towards her , more of physical though.

okay hmmm actually uttaran cvs twisted his character Dead

he gets angry wen she used to not pick his calls, or would speak about aman. even  wen he was planing revenge at one point he actually yearned for her frnship, but was disappointed as he thought she was just using him . [which was not true , she actually cared for him. but only as frn]

so i feel it worth to see their equation , if this  two individuals polar opposite , from rival family sharing love hate relation, once upon tym best frn and enemies too, linked to iccha in different way  are united.

three results


no 3 [which i m not interested ] yuvi will remain neg , n die like vansh Shocked no her young larke ko yeh maar kyon dete hen
no 2 will turn positive and go away like taps to do remorse , become baba of sum ashram. much better option
[ i don't think peps will njoy  n cvs will give justice to this track]


no1 my fav
- love story the way beauty n beast had.LOL

making this beast  , who has tendency to do evil things into just a perfect man , coz i felt a softness inside  his  stony heart which is yet to be resurfaced by true love.LOL

more entertaining to watch , specially wid gus actor like srj

so i support it , for option no1
i like your point off view here but what about aman where did he go mukta loved him i guess actually i had forgotn at him





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