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Posted: 30 June 2012 at 3:45pm | IP Logged
Lord Shvia and Devi Parvathi are both the parents of Lord Kartikeya and Lord Ganesha. They are both the forms of Devi Lalitha who created this entire universe. Brahma, Vishnu, and Mahesh were born from her, and Saraswati, Lakshmi, and Parvathi were also born from her. Just as Lord Shiva is the father of Ganesha, Devi Parvathi is also the mother of Kartikeya. Though legend has it that he has six mothers, since Devi Parvathi is the eternal consort of Mahadev, she is the supreme mother of Kartikeya.

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Hi!  There are so many versions of the story of Kartikeya's birth, but that is what makes these things so interesting, hai na?  So i know I can't be saying - here is the "right" one, but the version in the Shiv Puran is very layered and interesting, and shows the complexity of creation in this universe.

You know when Shivji and Mata Parvati finally are married and go back to Kailash they are absorbed in their physical union for very long time. The devtas become increasingly nervous as Tarkasur is still running free and no one can stop his atrocities.  They are waiting and waiting for the divine couple to produce a son but no son has arrived as Shiv is a supremely self-controlled yogin and does not allow his seed (sorryConfused) to flow downward.  He is able to control all this.

So finally the devtas decide they must do something to encourage the couple to produce a son.. They go to Vishnu, who is the only one who is willing to approach Shivji on Kailash.   A full kalpa had passed and no one had seen or heard from him!  Vishnu comes up and shouts at the door, breaking the loving trance of Shivji ad Parvati.  Shivji, in stirring himself to answer Vishnu's call, loses his concentration and spills his seed (again, sorry).  This is a catastrophe as it was meant to be spent into Parvati's womb, so now how will there be a son?  In this puranic version of the story, Agnidev turns into a bird and swallows this seed, but it burns him horribly, such is its power. It is the fire that can even consume fire. 

When Agnidev can no longer keep this seed within himself, he ejects it (vomits it) and its heat is absorbed by the wives of the saptarishis - all except Arundhati, who had not come near the holy fire for warmth and so was not impregnated. They too cannot bear the pain and burning of this holy power and are tortured by trying to bear it.  In the end, rejected by their husbands (as they are looking pregnant), they all vomit up this seed as well and it all flows together into a single womb-child.  There it lay for a while, but even Himalaya could not bear its weight, so he flings it into the sara grass along the banks of Ganga.

This womb-child lays on the banks of Ganga for another kalpa, and then, with  thunderous rumble, there is all of a sudden there a beautiful boy.

He begs Visvamitra to perform auspicious rites over him.  And then the Krittikas, attracted by his glow, come to earth and fall in love with this boy at first sight.  they each one give him milk form their breast. He even produces six heads so he can drink from all at once and they will not argue over him!  These krittikas take him to the stars and care for him and raise him lovingly.

Meanwhile, Shivji and Parvati after long want to know what has become of this seed, which cannot ever fail - so what has become of its creative power? Arrey - now the whole story coes out.  Bhoomi tells that the seed has fallen upon her and she could not bear it.  Then Agni explains, then he too tells of the rishis wives.  Himalaya tells his part, and Ganga explains she could not bear this heat and it stayed in the grass on her banks.  And they tell that, in this grass, it became a wonderful boy. The devtas know that the krittikas have this boy.

The shivgans go to the krittikas and beg for the boy.  They explain to Kartikeya who he really is.  He agrees to go, but his dhai-maas are so heartbroken that he brings them along.

Shiv greets him and kisses him and brings him to Kailash, where Parvati, taking him in her lap, gives him milk from her own breast.

He is installed thus as their true son.  But, in a way, he was raised by the whole universe, which in turn make sense as that is exactly who Shivji and Parvati really are.

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So many people involved in he birth of one KartikeyaLOL...i wonder honestly how they will portray the *ahem* seed partLOL...after all its a family audience that they cater too...
The Saptarishis wifes mean-Khyai,Additi,Anusuya etc??
even Himavan may be involved as he is a personification of the Himalayas...
geez...thats a whole ton of people...but never the less it will be a very intresting sequence to see!
but i guess we will have to wait for long to see that!

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Originally posted by shruthi2010

i dont know about the scriptures, but my granny used to say this story like this. since rati cursed parvati, she could not carry a child in her womb. so shiva collected all his energy force through his third eye and processed it to agni, bcos only he can handle it. but even agni could not manage so he left the pot containing shiva's energy into a river (in tamil nadu it is called sharvanapoigai). parvati took the form of the water and channeled the pot into the forest were the child in born not as a single one but in six forms who is found and taken by six kartigai women. they bring him up and at the age of 12, maa parvati unites the six children into a single boy kartigeya. basically he is shiva's son. and Ganesha was formed from parvati's energy so he is her son.
so that story does exist???...thanks for the infoBig smile

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Posted: 30 June 2012 at 9:09pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by shruti.nil

So many people involved in he birth of one KartikeyaLOL...i wonder honestly how they will portray the *ahem* seed partLOL...after all its a family audience that they cater too...
The Saptarishis wifes mean-Khyai,Additi,Anusuya etc??
even Himavan may be involved as he is a personification of the Himalayas...
geez...thats a whole ton of people...but never the less it will be a very intresting sequence to see!
but i guess we will have to wait for long to see that!

I bet you anything they'll duck out of it with some sanitized version.

Amar Chitra Katha, has pretty much the same version (Agni, Ganga etc), except that Agni approaches Shiva and Parvati and reminds them of the need for their son and Shiva places a seed on Agni's palm...

totally harmless for children...LOL they'll do something similar here...

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There r so many versions of lord kartitya's birth they all have one thing common he was not born like a normal human baby with 9 months gestation period.mata parvati is a godess its not required for her to carry her child like mortals.
 kartikeya was born by combination of shiv and parvati's Tej or power.he is def shiv and parvati's son but he had divine birth instead of normal birth through a womb.even lord ganesha had divine birth.so in a way rati's curse came true parvati didnt carry her kids in her womb both her sons had divine birth


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If the child of one spouse was not considered the child of other then Pandava wouldnt have had a claim on the throne. Even Kauravs wouldn't have had a claim . Hastinapur throne would have been vacant and no Mahabharat would have occurredLOL

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            after Siva's first wife Sati dies at Daksha's yagyna(homam),  siva was dejected from worldy affairs and went into deep samadhi (meditation).

             Sati re-incarnated as parvati was born to HImavat-Mena couple.

Mean while  a demon named tarakasur pleased Brahma and gained a boon that no one except Siva's son should kill him
Tarakasur thought that siva would never marry again because his first wife was dead and he lost in worldly affairs.

Tarakasur later dethroned Indra and other gods and drove them out of heaven.
   so Indra and other gods wanted to have Siva marry Parvati and have a son who could kill tarakasur.

  But Siva was in deep meditation. No one has courage to break siva's deep meditation.  At last Indra sent Kama dev to Siva's abode.

at that time parvati was present near Siva. kama dev thought this was right opportunity and threw love arrows at Siva' s heart but Siva enraged at this act burnt down Kama dev to ashes with his third-eye

         Later after performing penance, parvati married Siva.

parvati and siva enjoyed for thousand celestial years. Indra was very much worried ,he was always thinking when would siva's child would be born and kill that demon.

So Indra along with other gods including Brahma went to kailash ,but nobody dared to enter siva's cave.

At last agni dev in the form of dove went into the chamber and it made a noise as kuh-kuhu

parvati felt someone disturbed their privacy. at that time siva was about to ejacuate his semen but parvati got up from bed.

so semen which was in form of fire fell and agni in the form of dove
ate that semen(because agni eats everything). parvati was enraged at this act of agni and cursed agni dev to bear the consequences of that act.

Siva's semen was so powerful that agni dev could not bear it so threwed that semen into Ganga river. But even ganga was unable to bear that heat so she threw that semen into saravan river.

Six kritiikas(or karthikas) who were bathing in saravana river each swallowed a little bit of semen and became pregnant and gave birth to six babies. parvati later took all these six babies into her lap and joined all these six babies  into one baby with six faces.  So, he is called Shan-mukha(a child with six faces). so lord karthikeya or Shan-mukha is always shown as a child sitting in the lap of Mother Parvati along with Ganesha sitting on father Siva's Lap.

since he was born to six kritiikas (or karthiks) he was called karthikeya(or kritiikeya) .his other names are Lord subrahmanyam, Lord Murugan(famous In Tamil Nadu)

Indra came to know that siva's son was born as shan-mukha. Siva and  parvati made him as commander of Deva-ganas(Mahasena --meaning commander of gods) and finally he killed Tarakasur. Finally, Indra regained his heaven.Karthikeya is sometimes also called Mahasena.

since agni had  in his stomach the semen of siva and in-directly responsible for karthik's birth ,he is also sometimes called father of skanda.




Edited by sujitchaituredd - 05 September 2012 at 6:45am

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