veg vs non-veg (Page 4)

zorrro

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Posted: 28 June 2012 at 2:08am | IP Logged

Originally posted by jonnybgood

all animals dont regrow

Leaves, plants, fruit,and grain dont have Heart or Brain

Animals species keep multiplying. Do not eat up to the point of extinction. same with plants .

Plants may have no heart or brain but it has been proved that they have life and also feel pain and probably fear too. Some experiments demonstarated that plants responded to people's thoughts about burning a leaf in a different way than to harmless thoughts!

Plucking off parts of a living being like plants causing continued pain could be more cruel than eating an animal that was killed instantly IMO.

But we got to eat something to live, right! Its all a part of food chain.

zorrro

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Posted: 28 June 2012 at 2:11am | IP Logged

Originally posted by Rehanism

Originally posted by zorrro

Does non vegetarianism get translated as cruelty to animals and vegetarianism as kindness Confused

I have seen many vegetarians who are quite aggressive and also indifferent to animals plight, inspite of all that holier than thou show.

True, but there are many veggies, like Brahmins, Vaishnavas etc, who are simply following their caste or religious traditions and not any humanistic ideal. But I guess there are many people who voluntarily quit non-veg out of compassion for animals...

BTW, I don't believe in those pseudo-scientific explanations of religious apologists about vegetarianism making one more spiritual or non-veg making you bestial..Read this..

A Pseudo-scientific Case For Vegetarianism

Vegetarianism is a lifestyle choice and I respect that. There are a variety of reasons given for being a vegetarian, like empathy for animals. But there are some vegetarians who use religion to justify their choice and argue that it is a superior choice which everyone should follow. Had there been some rational basis in their argument, I could concede their argument is sound. But predictably, religious vegetarianism is based on irrational ideas. It makes copious use of pseudoscience.

"You are what you eat"

That is one common premise of religious vegetarianism. Sites like these give a good explanation for that premise. To sum it up, the human body is composed of different levels of energy, with the mind and consciousness having the highest energy level. Different food sources have different energy levels and effect the body differently. Somehow meat has a negative energy level and affects that body negatively. Vegetables and fruits have optimum energy levels that help the mind vibrate at maximum potential.

There are other similar forms of justifications of vegetarianism, but central to all of them are energy and vibrations of food. Now onto why such justifications are plain stupid.

Retard Arguments

Energy is a word that has been raped through all of its orifices by pseudoscience peddlers (I'll abbreviate them as PPs). They have no basic understanding of how energy works, but pepper their arguments with it.

The human body gets it fix of energy by way of chemicals like carbohydrates, fats and proteins. Those chemicals are broken down in our cells and release chemical energy. It is that energy which drives the human body and not things as energy levels or vibrations (whatever the crap they mean in a pseudo-scientific context. Pseudoscience rarely gives precise definitions of terms).

Also, the human body doesn't care what the sources of those chemicals are - vegetables, fruits, leaves or meat. There's a reason why humans are omnivores.

Willful Ignorance

Processes of life are complex to understand. It requires knowledge of physics, chemistry and biology and considerable investment of time. PPs can't be expected to put in that kind of effort when there are people to be hoodwinked. They have an easy way out. They use fictional ideas of energy levels and vibrations to explain life. When using fiction, you are not restricted by those pesky laws of the Universe. Anything goes!

Ancient Nonsense

A chemical molecule is the same regardless of whether it comes from a plant source or animal source. That is fact which was unknown to the authors of ancient texts like the Upanishads. They didn't know the composition of matter. That is why they have invalid arguments like the food we eat has a direct correlation to the composition of the mind. But for PPs, ancient equals truth. Evidence doesn't matter. PPs piggyback on religious credulity to spread nonsense from ancient texts.
http://inversesquared.blogspot.in/2010/08/pseudo-scientific-case-for.html

Wow that was some research

Tradition plays an important role

zorrro

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Posted: 28 June 2012 at 2:15am | IP Logged

Originally posted by jonnybgood

Originally posted by zorrro

Originally posted by sharontheangel

ohhh killing plants is also wrong then even plants have life why do u eat them??? if plants can regrow then animals also increase in number by giving birth...

remember a lion never thinks about you before eating you and it only needs food...

exactly the point I was trying to make

so are you saying an Apple, and other fruits have and Heart and brain ??? People dont cut entire plant

The idea that only those who have a heart and brain are living is quite ancient

Entire plants get cut very often. Most of the leafy veg and even the acsh crops are good examples.

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Posted: 28 June 2012 at 7:40am | IP Logged

its up who wants to eat meat chicken or Veggie

boredsoul

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@ rehanism - agree with most of your points except upanishads & ancient nonsense . Our vedas & upanishads are far more advanced than modern science. A panchangam literally translated as a hindu calendar predicts exactly the date & time of solar eclipse or lunar eclipse which will happen 100s of years later . This is just an example . To understand them you should not stop at skimming the surface , one lifetime is not enough to gather & analyse all the wealth our vedas & upanishads offer
I completely beleive in what you eat is what you are
this doesnt mean people who eat animals are animals , just means our food is partly responsible for our behaviour & attitude
it has been proven that onion & garlic induces harmonal & mood changes , some spices acts aphrodisiac which were the reason some communities avoided them
just my opinion , no offence

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Originally posted by boredsoul

@ rehanism - agree with most of your points except upanishads & ancient nonsense . Our vedas & upanishads are far more advanced than modern science. A panchangam literally translated as a hindu calendar predicts exactly the date & time of solar eclipse or lunar eclipse which will happen 100s of years later . This is just an example . To understand them you should not stop at skimming the surface , one lifetime is not enough to gather & analyse all the wealth our vedas & upanishads offer
I completely beleive in what you eat is what you are
this doesnt mean people who eat animals are animals , just means our food is partly responsible for our behaviour & attitude
it has been proven that onion & garlic induces harmonal & mood changes , some spices acts aphrodisiac which were the reason some communities avoided them
just my opinion , no offence

That article was not written by me though, but I suggest you go through these articles and discussions to know how much Vedas and Upanishads are rich in science or are more advanced than modern science..

http://nirmukta.net/Thread-The-Science-of-Hindu-Cosmology
http://nirmukta.net/Thread-The-pseudo-science-of-Gayatri-Mantra
http://nirmukta.net/Thread-Vedic-ritual-Athirathram-in-Panjal-Kerala-Pseudoscientific-claims
http://nirmukta.net/Thread-Absurd-claims-of-Ayurveda
http://nirmukta.net/Thread-The-Fraud-of-Vedic-Maths
http://nirmukta.com/2008/11/25/vibhuti-rudraksha-mahatmayam-a-wellness-guide-from-times-of-india/
http://www.carvaka4india.com/2012/05/were-our-ancient-ancestors.html
https://twitscope.wordpress.com/2008/07/12/evidence-of-nuclear-explosion-in-ancient-india/
http://inversesquared.blogspot.in/2011/02/primitive-science-of-vedas-introduction.html
http://inversesquared.blogspot.in/2011/02/primitive-science-of-vedas-garbha.html

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zorrro

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Posted: 30 June 2012 at 6:03am | IP Logged

Originally posted by Rehanism

Originally posted by boredsoul

@ rehanism - agree with most of your points except upanishads & ancient nonsense . Our vedas & upanishads are far more advanced than modern science. A panchangam literally translated as a hindu calendar predicts exactly the date & time of solar eclipse or lunar eclipse which will happen 100s of years later . This is just an example . To understand them you should not stop at skimming the surface , one lifetime is not enough to gather & analyse all the wealth our vedas & upanishads offer
I completely beleive in what you eat is what you are
this doesnt mean people who eat animals are animals , just means our food is partly responsible for our behaviour & attitude
it has been proven that onion & garlic induces harmonal & mood changes , some spices acts aphrodisiac which were the reason some communities avoided them
just my opinion , no offence

That article was not written by me though, but I suggest you go through these articles and discussions to know how much Vedas and Upanishads are rich in science or are more advanced than modern science..

http://nirmukta.net/Thread-The-Science-of-Hindu-Cosmology
http://nirmukta.net/Thread-The-pseudo-science-of-Gayatri-Mantra
http://nirmukta.net/Thread-Vedic-ritual-Athirathram-in-Panjal-Kerala-Pseudoscientific-claims
http://nirmukta.net/Thread-Absurd-claims-of-Ayurveda
http://nirmukta.net/Thread-The-Fraud-of-Vedic-Maths
http://nirmukta.com/2008/11/25/vibhuti-rudraksha-mahatmayam-a-wellness-guide-from-times-of-india/
http://www.carvaka4india.com/2012/05/were-our-ancient-ancestors.html
https://twitscope.wordpress.com/2008/07/12/evidence-of-nuclear-explosion-in-ancient-india/
http://inversesquared.blogspot.in/2011/02/primitive-science-of-vedas-introduction.html
http://inversesquared.blogspot.in/2011/02/primitive-science-of-vedas-garbha.html

havent gone through all those links but on going through the -absurd ayurveda claims- thread I couldnt help noticing that the posters did not mention the source of those claims. I mean there is a lot of heresay but were those claims from some auhenticated book of ayurveda or just Granny's nuskas:

-Aarya-

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Is eating meat considered as a sin?

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A Pseudo-scientific Case For Vegetarianism

"You are what you eat"

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