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Posted: 09 October 2012 at 12:28am | IP Logged

Originally posted by RainbowWarrior

Why are you here? What is your purpose Freethinker112?

Tons of chemical and biological processes are at work inside my body right now, keeping me whole and healthy, unaided by any conscious effort on my part. Is this by random chance? All the order in my very being came forth from a single random cataclysmic event? What's the mathematical probability of so much design, harmony and order coming out of chaos? Two random atoms colliding by chance? I find it hard to believe.

"Sir Fred Hoyle, gave this analogy. He said that if you believe the universe was created purely by chance, it's like saying, a tornado can tear its way through a junkyard, and as it passes, it leaves a complete Boeing 747 assembled and ready for take-off!"

No, it is more rational and reasonable to say that we are a conscious, deliberate act of creation.

Because I was born. And there is no purpose, I can do whatever I want with my life.

And I find what you are saying hard to believe. If humans can't come randomly then most definitely God can't come randomly. So, who created God?

I don't think it is rational to say we are an act of creation unless we have more knowledge.

Originally posted by RainbowWarrior

I can't make that judgement, but I can tell you that the first criteria to enter paradise is to believe in Allah (SWT) and his last Messenger (SAW).

A believer who have been disobedient, sinful, discriminatory, foul etc will also have to face true Justice. They will be answerable for their actions, will go to hell for a time, before they can enter paradise.

Whether a person truly believes or not, or is simply following norms, society, heritage etc, I can't tell. Only Allah can decide because he knows what the true intentions in our heart/mind are. I can't make that kind of judgement call. I don't have all the information about your situation and for sure, know nothing about what you truly feel inside and why.

So, a sinful person, who might have committed rape and murder, will also get to go to heaven after some time and a person who did good all his life will directly go to hell for not believing in God? Dead

If there is a God like that, he can go to hell for all I care. I will never bow before a sadist like that.

Originally posted by RainbowWarrior

Like I said, how does one say thank you? My good actions show Allah (SWT) that I am truly thankful for everything He has given me. I want to please him first and foremost as a show of gratitude. If my gracious actions also make me a good person, great.

Who decides what is good and what is bad? Perceptions of these things differ from person to person. Your good may be my bad. By following the guidelines laid out by our Creator however, I know what is truly good and what to refrain from. I know what good will lead to more good and benefit everyone, not just me. I love doing good things but I never know if I might exceed the limits and the good goes bad. Laughing is good, yes? But a joke gone to far is not. How do I know the limits? From the Quran. It is a guidance for all situations and all times.

You might say that I should be able to decide for myself what is good and what is bad. That is true but not for everyone. Many people, if not all, struggle from time to time over doing the right thing, but with following the Divine laws, you can't go wrong because you already know what to do.

Like you said, we already have the answers, so if someone still fails, in-spite of this fact, that would truly be a sad shame.

No, I am not gonna take his word for granted when i know they are stupid. He will have to rationalize them. And this is not a test then, it is blind slavery. You either follow me or go to hell, literally. Then he is not an intelligent man and there is no judgement on merit. Just a child who can't take different point of views.

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Posted: 09 October 2012 at 4:49am | IP Logged

Originally posted by Freethinker112

Because I was born. And there is no purpose, I can do whatever I want with my life.

And I find what you are saying hard to believe. If humans can't come randomly then most definitely God can't come randomly. So, who created God?

I don't think it is rational to say we are an act of creation unless we have more knowledge.

So the only purpose for your being here is to do whatever you please? I don't know about you, but that's far too limited for my liking. Anyways...

Hypothetically, if I were to tell you who created God, would you not then ask, who created the creator of God, and so on. Infinite loop right there.

All of creation goes back to the Creator Who created all things. No one created Him; He created everything other than Himself. I believe in Allaah.

Originally posted by Freethinker112

If there is a God like that, he can go to hell for all I care.

You're making a judgement call here. You're assuming what God will do.

And here's the thing about hell, even a second in it will be worse than any punishment you can think of. What's the highest level of punishment our courts give rapists? 7 years... or even freedom for lack of evidence? That will not be the case on the Day of Judgement. All the murderers who got away, all the crimes that were never revealed will be laid bare and everyone will be called to account. Even the smaller things like hurting a plant without just cause.

So the family who lived their whole lives not knowing what happened to their missing child, will get answers. The girl child who was smothered to death as soon as she was born will ask why and she will get justice.

Heaven and Hell are not going to be gained by some easy-peasy shortcut path. There are several steps that go between doing the good deed and heaven; and doing the bad deed and hell.

@bold,

I thought you did not believe in hell?

This discussion is increasingly turning in to an 'argument for the sake of argument' sorts, IMO. Cease and desist, I guess. Was nice though Smile

Alhumdulillah.

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Posted: 09 October 2012 at 7:55pm | IP Logged

Yeah, I have already answered all your questions, but seems like you do not want to recognize them. So, let's just agree to disagree. Smile

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Aren't all these going around us rightnow??!

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Originally posted by darkrose3

Aren't all these going around us rightnow??!

Yea. It's the end of the world. Lol !

Hi Rain & Freethinker ! :D

We clash again ! Lol !

Edited by Aya. - 01 November 2012 at 12:52am

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Originally posted by Aya.

Originally posted by darkrose3

Aren't all these going around us rightnow??!

Yea. It's the end of the world. Lol !

Hi Rain & Freethinker ! :D

We clash again ! Lol !

HI Aya!

You know we don't have to clash every time we meet. LOL

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Originally posted by Freethinker112

Originally posted by Aya.

Originally posted by darkrose3

Aren't all these going around us rightnow??!

Yea. It's the end of the world. Lol !

Hi Rain & Freethinker ! :D

We clash again ! Lol !

HI Aya!

You know we don't have to clash every time we meet. LOL

Hmm...

I think clash wasn't the right word. I looked up the exact meaning of clash & it said to clash in a violent way. I meant to say, "& we meet again". LOL

Would you say we are Rivals ? LOL

Edited by Aya. - 01 November 2012 at 7:40pm

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Originally posted by Aya.

Hmm...

I think clash wasn't the right word. I looked up the exact meaning of clash & it said to clash in a violent way. I meant to say, "& we meet again". LOL

Would you say we are Rivals ? LOL

Yep, clash is like tussle, a negative thing.

Rivals in what exactly? LOL

Just two people with opposing viewpoints. I don't have a personal problem with that, unless you start hurting others. Tongue

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