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Originally posted by Freethinker112

Then the prediction is meaningless. Everyone knows the world is going to end some day. I can tell you that without all those "signs".

Yaa... obviously its going to end we all know that.

but these signs were not before many ages. right?

so these signs signify that its near.

actually it also depends on every individual that they believe it or not.

personally I have a strong belief in these signs.

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Originally posted by Freethinker112

Originally posted by Love_Kunwar

Actually its the beginning of the end... it will continue like this till the last age.

and if we would really know the exact dates then we would have been no less than God. Ashtagfirullah.

Then the prediction is meaningless. Everyone knows the world is going to end some day. I can tell you that without all those "signs".

These are the minor signs, there are still many more to go. The prediction of theses signs was made over 1400 years ago, making them significant. We take these for granted now, because they have already come to pass but at the time that they were made, they were beyond imagination.

Eg. People will compete with each other in the building of tall structures.

Skyscrapers of the kind we have today were inconceivable 1400 years ago.

The point to ponder is not what the exact time of the end is but how the Prophet (SAW) knew these things would come to pass in the future, all those years ago.

There are still more signs that have not yet come to pass. When they do, the final hour will be upon us. Like Love_Kunwar said, it is the beginning of the end.

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Originally posted by RainbowWarrior

These are the minor signs, there are still many more to go. The prediction of theses signs was made over 1400 years ago, making them significant. We take these for granted now, because they have already come to pass but at the time that they were made, they were beyond imagination.

Eg. People will compete with each other in the building of tall structures.

Skyscrapers of the kind we have today were inconceivable 1400 years ago.

The point to ponder is not what the exact time of the end is but how the Prophet (SAW) knew these things would come to pass in the future, all those years ago.

There are still more signs that have not yet come to pass. When they do, the final hour will be upon us. Like Love_Kunwar said, it is the beginning of the end.

Pyramids were there, right? And just tall structure is kid of vague, and that is the translation. I bet it was more vague in the original verse. Just tall structure doesn't mean skyscrapers. You are attaching the meaning because that's what you see.

And I can say that the world will end too. Remember it or better write a book about it and ponder on its significance centuries later. LOL

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Originally posted by Freethinker112

Originally posted by RainbowWarrior

These are the minor signs, there are still many more to go. The prediction of theses signs was made over 1400 years ago, making them significant. We take these for granted now, because they have already come to pass but at the time that they were made, they were beyond imagination.

Eg. People will compete with each other in the building of tall structures.

Skyscrapers of the kind we have today were inconceivable 1400 years ago.

The point to ponder is not what the exact time of the end is but how the Prophet (SAW) knew these things would come to pass in the future, all those years ago.

There are still more signs that have not yet come to pass. When they do, the final hour will be upon us. Like Love_Kunwar said, it is the beginning of the end.

Pyramids were there, right? And just tall structure is kid of vague, and that is the translation. I bet it was more vague in the original verse. Just tall structure doesn't mean skyscrapers. You are attaching the meaning because that's what you see.

And I can say that the world will end too. Remember it or better write a book about it and ponder on its significance centuries later. LOL

You know, I can adopt the same line and say that you do not see that which you don't want to see.

The world will end, not because I'm saying so, not because you are and not even because the Prophet (SAW) said so. He got the divine information from the Creater Himself. The world will end because Allah has said it will, so it will.

Everyone will know it on that day, whatever their level of belief may be. It will be too late to repent however which is why the signs are important. They are a constant reminder to strengthen our belief, turn to the Creator in repentance, increase our good deeds, social services and change ourselves for the better.

We may not live to see all the signs fulfilled in our lifetimes but really the Day of Judgement begins for all of us as soon as we die. So the end, is only a heart beat away. Heart fails, person dies, preliminary judgement begins.

The text that you haven't read... is vague? The translation which you haven't read... is also vague? You are so sure? Then by all means, stick to your convictions, I'll adhere to mine, in-sha'Allah.

"For you is your religion, and for me is my religion." [109:6, Quran]

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Originally posted by RainbowWarrior

You know, I can adopt the same line and say that you do not see that which you don't want to see.

Oh, I would definitely like to see. Show me.

Originally posted by RainbowWarrior

The world will end, not because I'm saying so, not because you are and not even because the Prophet (SAW) said so. He got the divine information from the Creater Himself. The world will end because Allah has said it will, so it will.

Two things. If God knows everything, then he could have done a better job of warning, you know? Like telling the exact date and time. And second, if God has the power to do everything, that means he is the one ending the world. That is evil.

Originally posted by RainbowWarrior

Everyone will know it on that day, whatever their level of belief may be. It will be too late to repent however which is why the signs are important. They are a constant reminder to strengthen our belief, turn to the Creator in repentance, increase our good deeds, social services and change ourselves for the better.

First of all, I am already doing good deeds and social services, not because out of greed of heaven or fear of hell. So I am good.

Originally posted by RainbowWarrior

We may not live to see all the signs fulfilled in our lifetimes but really the Day of Judgement begins for all of us as soon as we die. So the end, is only a heart beat away. Heart fails, person dies, preliminary judgement begins.

Let the judgement come.

Originally posted by RainbowWarrior

The text that you haven't read... is vague? The translation which you haven't read... is also vague? You are so sure? Then by all means, stick to your convictions, I'll adhere to mine, in-sha'Allah.

I don't think people would have given a vague translation for a precise verse.

Originally posted by RainbowWarrior

"For you is your religion, and for me is my religion." [109:6, Quran]

Definitely. It is the absence of religion in my case but never mind. Smile

Edited by Freethinker112 - 08 October 2012 at 4:35am

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Originally posted by Freethinker112

Originally posted by RainbowWarrior

You know, I can adopt the same line and say that you do not see that which you don't want to see.

Oh, I would definitely like to see. Show me.

Everything around us is a sign. The changing of day to night, the seasons... there is so much order and purpose to everything in the world. To believe a single random moment in space was the cause? No, we are created with purpose, like the world around us.

Originally posted by Freethinker112

Originally posted by RainbowWarrior

The world will end, not because I'm saying so, not because you are and not even because the Prophet (SAW) said so. He got the divine information from the Creater Himself. The world will end because Allah has said it will, so it will.

Two things. If God knows everything, then he could have done a better job of warning, you know? Like telling the exact date and time. And second, if God has the power to do everything, that means he is the one ending the world. That is evil.

Messengers have been sent throughout history to all nations on the planet. Prophet Muhammad (SAW) was sent with the final message which will remain with us till the end. The Quran in itself is a warning and guidance.

Since we (humans) have never created a world, nor are we capable of doing so, to tell the All-mighty Creator of how He should be doing is His 'job' is absurd to say the least. I do not claim to understand the wisdom behind his actions.

- God created us and the world, we like it here, so He is good.

- He will destroy that which he created, this doesn't work in our favour, we don't like it, therefore God is bad.

- Just like when something bad comes our way in life and some folks curse God and if something good happens, we praise Him.

Pretty convenient. We, humans, are so fickle.

Evil/Bad is pretty subjective. A fish bone forms the spine of a fish and it is exceptionally good for the fish but if I were to swallow that bone whole, it's going to be evil for me. There are folks that see no evil in rape and murder, so who's to say that they have the worst idea? I don't need to depend on human perceptions which change from time to time and nation to nation to define good and bad. The Creator has laid it out all clearly for us in the Quran. His judgement is above and beyond our's.

Originally posted by Freethinker112

Originally posted by RainbowWarrior

Everyone will know it on that day, whatever their level of belief may be. It will be too late to repent however which is why the signs are important. They are a constant reminder to strengthen our belief, turn to the Creator in repentance, increase our good deeds, social services and change ourselves for the better.

First of all, I am already doing good deeds and social services, not because out of greed of heaven or fear of hell. So I am good.

What's the best way to show someone that you appreciate what they have given you? How do you show true gratitude? Through actions, not just words. Eg. Thanking the creator for food by not wasting it and sharing it with the needy.

I will be answerable for all the bounties I have been given. Did I use them to benefit others or just me? Did I at least try even if my efforts were fruitless?

Greed? No, Muslims do (and should do) good deeds to please Allah. Heaven is an added incentive, way better than going to hell, so why not? Is wanting a good reward, bad? Is not wanting a bad reward, bad?

Life is an exam and I want a really good grade, in-sha'Allah Smile

Originally posted by Freethinker112

Originally posted by RainbowWarrior

We may not live to see all the signs fulfilled in our lifetimes but really the Day of Judgement begins for all of us as soon as we die. So the end, is only a heart beat away. Heart fails, person dies, preliminary judgement begins.

Let the judgement come.

Indeed it will, my friend.

"But those who disbelieve say, "The Hour will not come to us." Say, "Yes, by my Lord, it will surely come to you. [ Allah is] the Knower of the unseen."' [34:3, Quran]

*Edited because I messed up the quotes Confused

Adding colour to differentiate...

Edited by RainbowWarrior - 08 October 2012 at 6:04am

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Originally posted by RainbowWarrior

Everything around us is a sign. The changing of day to night, the seasons... there is so much order and purpose to everything in the world. To believe a single random moment in space was the cause? No, we are created with purpose, like the world around us.

Day and night are caused due to Earth's rotation. Seasons change due to revolution. Order is a matter of debate, what exactly do you mean by so much order. And no, I can't seem t find any purpose.

Originally posted by RainbowWarrior

Messengers have been sent throughout history to all nations on the planet. Prophet Muhammad (SAW) was sent with the final message which will remain with us till the end. The Quran in itself is a warning and guidance.

Then why doesn't it contain the exact date instead of vague predictions? If God knows it, why not put the exact date?

Originally posted by RainbowWarrior

Since we (humans) have never created a world, nor are we capable of doing so, to tell the All-mighty Creator of how He should be doing is His 'job' is absurd to say the least. I do not claim to understand the wisdom behind his actions.

I have never made a computer but I can read about how it is made and I can make one if I want. If there is a God, I won't make an exception for him. He would have to rationalize his actions and I will question it if I found it absurd.

Originally posted by RainbowWarrior

- God created us and the world, we like it here, so He is good.

- He will destroy that which he created, this doesn't work in our favour, we don't like it, therefore God is bad.

- Just like when something bad comes our way in life and some folks curse God and if something good happens, we praise Him.

Pretty convenient. We, humans, are so fickle.

-God created humans and if they worship him, they are good for him.

-They choose not to worship because of free will, this doesn't work in favor of God, he doesn't like it, therefore humans are bad.

-Just like if a human believe in him he is good and goes to heaven, if one does not he is bad and goes to hell.

Pretty convenient. God is so fickle.

Originally posted by RainbowWarrior

Evil/Bad is pretty subjective. A fish bone forms the spine of a fish and it is exceptionally good for the fish but if I were to swallow that bone whole, it's going to be evil for me. There are folks that see no evil in rape and murder, so who's to say that they have the worst idea? I don't need to depend on human perceptions which change from time to time and nation to nation to define good and bad. The Creator has laid it out all clearly for us in the Quran. His judgement is above and beyond our's.

He will have to explain his judgement. I am not gonna accept it blindly.

Originally posted by RainbowWarrior

What's the best way to show someone that you appreciate what they have given you? How do you show true gratitude? Through actions, not just words. Eg. Thanking the creator for food by not wasting it and sharing it with the needy.

I will be answerable for all the bounties I have been given. Did I use them to benefit others or just me? Did I at least try even if my efforts were fruitless?

I have been doing good actions, helping those in need. But i don't believe in God. Does that mean I am bad and deserve to go to hell?

Originally posted by RainbowWarrior

Greed? No, Muslims do (and should do) good deeds to please Allah. Heaven is an added incentive, way better than going to hell, so why not? Is wanting a good reward, bad? Is not wanting a bad reward, bad?

Life is an exam and I want a really good grade, in-sha'Allah Smile

And why are you pleasing him? So that you can earn a seat in heaven. Why not do good for good's sake?

How is this an exam when you are not allowed to decide your answers? Everything is laid out for you and if you don't exactly write those answers, you will be failed. This exam is rigged.

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Indeed it will, my friend.

"But those who disbelieve say, "The Hour will not come to us." Say, "Yes, by my Lord, it will surely come to you. [ Allah is] the Knower of the unseen."' [34:3, Quran]

Let it come. If it does, God will have much more to answer than me. LOL

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Originally posted by Freethinker112

Order is a matter of debate, what exactly do you mean by so much order. And no, I can't seem t find any purpose.

Why are you here? What is your purpose Freethinker112?

Tons of chemical and biological processes are at work inside my body right now, keeping me whole and healthy, unaided by any conscious effort on my part. Is this by random chance? All the order in my very being came forth from a single random cataclysmic event? What's the mathematical probability of so much design, harmony and order coming out of chaos? Two random atoms colliding by chance? I find it hard to believe.

"Sir Fred Hoyle, gave this analogy. He said that if you believe the universe was created purely by chance, it's like saying, a tornado can tear its way through a junkyard, and as it passes, it leaves a complete Boeing 747 assembled and ready for take-off!"

No, it is more rational and reasonable to say that we are a conscious, deliberate act of creation.

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I have been doing good actions, helping those in need. But i don't believe in God. Does that mean I am bad and deserve to go to hell?

I can't make that judgement, but I can tell you that the first criteria to enter paradise is to believe in Allah (SWT) and his last Messenger (SAW).

A believer who have been disobedient, sinful, discriminatory, foul etc will also have to face true Justice. They will be answerable for their actions, will go to hell for a time, before they can enter paradise.

Whether a person truly believes or not, or is simply following norms, society, heritage etc, I can't tell. Only Allah can decide because he knows what the true intentions in our heart/mind are. I can't make that kind of judgement call. I don't have all the information about your situation and for sure, know nothing about what you truly feel inside and why.

Originally posted by Freethinker112

And why are you pleasing him? So that you can earn a seat in heaven. Why not do good for good's sake?

How is this an exam when you are not allowed to decide your answers? Everything is laid out for you and if you don't exactly write those answers, you will be failed. This exam is rigged.

Like I said, how does one say thank you? My good actions show Allah (SWT) that I am truly thankful for everything He has given me. I want to please him first and foremost as a show of gratitude. If my gracious actions also make me a good person, great.

Who decides what is good and what is bad? Perceptions of these things differ from person to person. Your good may be my bad. By following the guidelines laid out by our Creator however, I know what is truly good and what to refrain from. I know what good will lead to more good and benefit everyone, not just me. I love doing good things but I never know if I might exceed the limits and the good goes bad. Laughing is good, yes? But a joke gone to far is not. How do I know the limits? From the Quran. It is a guidance for all situations and all times.

You might say that I should be able to decide for myself what is good and what is bad. That is true but not for everyone. Many people, if not all, struggle from time to time over doing the right thing, but with following the Divine laws, you can't go wrong because you already know what to do.

Like you said, we already have the answers, so if someone still fails, in-spite of this fact, that would truly be a sad shame.

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