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Posted: 08 June 2012 at 5:23pm | IP Logged
We are talking about cancer right? Today was supposed to be an important doctors appointment but do we get to see?

- Manvi getting jealous all of a sudden when couple of days back she had joked about Virat's love life. I don't deny that she is in love with Virat but why was this scene necessary just before a serious scene? For goodness sake Manvi, you must feel some sort of nervousness?!
- The doctors scene itself was probably something I've seen in any other average Desi drama where I hear the typical dialogues. Where are these new reports coming from now? Is Manvi getting more tests done? I guess we will never know because tests just randomly pop out of the hospital records .
-Jeevika: Why isn't she taking charge? Or is it just to show how Virat cares for Manvi? I thought the whole point of Jeevika finding out is so she can take charge but she was quiet most of the time. Plus no reaction on the bruises? No questions to Manvi as to where they are? I maybe the only one but I was gobsmacked when they put in a Vireka 'romantic' conversation at that point. Dude you've just come out from what should have been a very serious conversation with the Doctor regarding your sisters CANCER and what do you? Blush over the phone with your husband. As a standalone scene it would have been fine but the timing was wrong and it's about time Vireka go past this honeymoon stage.
-This isn't a cold, it's cancer. Recently they've taken entire seriousness away from the illness! I remember I used to get goosebumps even at the mention of the symptoms but instead of giving it the attention it should, the cancer is being treated way too lightly!

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Posted: 08 June 2012 at 6:05pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by *Reemz*

We are talking about cancer right? Today was supposed to be an important doctors appointment but do we get to see?

Hahahahaha, the CVs are too delusional in this particular show. They've gotten away with it for the last eight months, God only knows how much longer they'll keep this 'cancer' farce going. As much as I like the Virman LS, it needs to take a back seat in terms when the show needs to get serious. Deary me, at this rate I think I'd rather go watch some Eastenders coz at least they treated cancer with some sort of dignity...

- Manvi getting jealous all of a sudden when couple of days back she had joked about Virat's love life. I don't deny that she is in love with Virat but why was this scene necessary just before a serious scene? For goodness sake Manvi, you must feel some sort of nervousness?!

CVs have deffo got a screw loose. Trying to handle three parallel tracks at one go will never ever work because like today, trying to give the Virman LS space to grow has only sidelines the doctors appointment, which correct me if I'm wrong, but was the reason of the whole Mumbai trip...

- The doctors scene itself was probably something I've seen in any other average Desi drama where I hear the typical dialogues. Where are these new reports coming from now? Is Manvi getting more tests done? I guess we will never know because tests just randomly pop out of the hospital records .

Okay, the actual scene for me was half and half. Manvi's reluctance at admitting the symptoms was understandable but dear God, you are a cancer patient, CANCER, there is no freaking point in hiding things like this just coz Jeevika might get worried. She knows what she's dealing with and to some extent she has accepted that from now on, things will just get harder so what is the whole point in Manvi making out her condition is better than it actually is. And flipping Virat just sitting there like a mute when he has witnessed some of her attacks - thank you for speaking up about the birthday incident but you could ELABORATE coz Manvi deffo won't.

Shows like these are a real sense of pride for the Indian health sector rofl. This is another thing I really didn't understand: if someone needs an emergency surgery, I wouldn't be ticked off if the doctor didn't see me, on the reverse, I'd be happier that someone's life is potentially being saved so why so much irritance from Virat and Jeevika on the cancelled appointment? Also, why would any doctor in their right mind take up a new case in the middle of getting ready for a emergency surgery?!?

And they say that this show has a medical specialist on board behind the scenes...

-Jeevika: Why isn't she taking charge? Or is it just to show how Virat cares for Manvi? I thought the whole point of Jeevika finding out is so she can take charge but she was quiet most of the time. Plus no reaction on the bruises? No questions to Manvi as to where they are? I maybe the only one but I was gobsmacked when they put in a Vireka 'romantic' conversation at that point. Dude you've just come out from what should have been a very serious conversation with the Doctor regarding your sisters CANCER and what do you? Blush over the phone with your husband. As a standalone scene it would have been fine but the timing was wrong and it's about time Vireka go past this honeymoon stage.

This really really really irritated me. The frickin' Doctor - Manvi stare off was ridiculous, yeesh talk about tacky. Jeevika finds out about the dizziness, the gum bleeding, the attacks, etc etc etc and all we see are a few shocked expressions then end of. I mean seriously? That's all you are gonna give us after building this up for five months? The Virika scene, as cute as it was, it was the wrong timing completely! You've just come out of finding that Manvi's cancer is far more serious than you ever could comprehend or realise and then you're romancing on the phone straight away? And then the cherry on the bloody cake: nobody mentions the appointment once they've come back home! Jeevika what happened to your minute by minute updates? No questions, no answers: I think Jeevika is relapsing back into her Ghajinism...

-This isn't a cold, it's cancer. Recently they've taken entire seriousness away from the illness! I remember I used to get goosebumps even at the mention of the symptoms but instead of giving it the attention it should, the cancer is being treated way too lightly!

They just don't care, I mean that's the only logical explanation. The last time we actually saw a proper attack/episode was too long ago. When are these CVs gonna realise that they can't handle multiple tracks together? Focus on one thing then at least you might make some people happy. This constant pulling and pushing between Virika/Virman/Jeeman is just chaotic. It's just making the show a mess. The more importance is put on one aspect, the other sides are being pushed into the waves of ludicrousness. Deary me, when will they sit up and realise that this show is about Jeeman and that the main track is the cancer track which they can't treat like this. It's been far too long, and the CVs are just coming up with utter rubbish to placate the different fan groups so that people still continue to watch.

I haven't replied to one of your topics in ages Reema so I thought I would but oh, heck, it's just turned into a 'Bash the CVs' topic on my side :L

Hate what the CVs are doing and I think 'nuff said.

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Posted: 08 June 2012 at 6:28pm | IP Logged
I wrote the post out of anger so didn't even think of covering the points you made LOL! Another stupidity right...why was Jeevika shown sitting far away like an alien? Instead of planning their day out, why couldn't we have a scene where Jeevika asks to look at Manvi's bruises? Why couldn't we have tender Behna moments after Jeevika found out about the symptoms? Instead we get half hearted scenes which do nothing for the main story!

My initial doubt turned out right. This Mumbai trip wasn't really for the illness after all! Why bother using it as an excuse?

I don't watch eastenders but I remember when I saw one of my
Favourite characters in Hollyoaks die of cancer, it was handled so realistically! But in our Indian shows, we are too eager to please certain fan groups! But there is a timing for everything and unfortunately cvs arent getting that ATM :/

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Posted: 08 June 2012 at 6:53pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by *Reemz*

I wrote the post out of anger so didn't even think of covering the points you made LOL! Another stupidity right...why was Jeevika shown sitting far away like an alien? Instead of planning their day out, why couldn't we have a scene where Jeevika asks to look at Manvi's bruises? Why couldn't we have tender Behna moments after Jeevika found out about the symptoms? Instead we get half hearted scenes which do nothing for the main story!

My initial doubt turned out right. This Mumbai trip wasn't really for the illness after all! Why bother using it as an excuse?

I don't watch eastenders but I remember when I saw one of my
Favourite characters in Hollyoaks die of cancer, it was handled so realistically! But in our Indian shows, we are too eager to please certain fan groups! But there is a timing for everything and unfortunately cvs arent getting that ATM :/

I can rant and rave about the looney CVs and their half assed script all day :L

It's all in the pursuit of fleshing out the characters is what I'm putting it down too. The mistake the CVs initially made about delaying the cancer truth three months is coming back to bite them in the butt. It's just messed up ALL the timings - like really it's been a full year since the Virika marriage which means Manvi's had cancer for more than that and in that amount of time only TWO chemo sessions... Wow, that's gonna do her a WHOLE lotta good. 

So I'm not gonna complain about the irrelevancy of the JeeMan-ess of this week and what will be next week because at the end of the day the CVs here have shot themselves in their own foot for the whole 'Virman LS 2014' thing. There's no escaping it now, it will happen and in that process, I fear that the essence of this show and the core issue is lost which most likely will happen. - PS: This isn't having a go at Virman shippers but more the incompitance of CVs; i.e. there's nothing wrong in wanting your couple to get together but in the big picture, yup everythings totally messed up.

I mean you said it there; what's the importance of Jeevika gonna be the next week other than a social commentary on Manvi's growing love for Virat and possibly opening her eyes to it all. Surely there must be something else? Heres hoping they actually have some sort of meaningful scenes next week.

Btw, are you on about Steph's cancer? That literally was a tear jerker. I wish some realism was kept in Indian TV coz it would just bring it to a whole new level. Like the 'Satyamev Jayate' is kicking off in India and it to some extent reminds me of Jezza Kyle. If something like that could be a real cultural milestone, why can't a show like this be where the storyline is not so unique but where the story is told so emotionally and accurately be a turning point for Indian TV?

Your last sentence says it all: TIMING! They've messed it up too much for it to actually fall back onto track. I really wanted to make a post about the timings of EHMMBH but haven't found the time (ironic much). Everythings too out of sync which means everythings really out of place hence to some degree the cancer seems too fanciful to seem real and the Virman LS seems to be happening to quickly and Virika are still stuck in honeymoon stage... Weird :S

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Rofl...So I wasn't the only one who felt the whole hospital scene was lame!! ROFL Seemed like the trio came to hospital like a picnic or somethng!!No nervousness..No tension..Nothng!!

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I have to say, I was a little disgruntled by the lack of care in the hospital scenes...though I love the show to bits, there are times when its glaringly obvious that the scenes have not been worked through or thought out very much...the whole cancer track itself, is almost like a premise or foundation for the love story rather than the main track itself...

I would like to support Maanvi's characterization in that, she has never taken anything serious in life...besides her sister, nothing else has been serious to her...even her own cancer so how her mannerisms and characterization was portrayed in these scenes was to par because in essence, she's always been mellow, carefree and nonchalant about how sick she really is.

I was disappointed in how they showed Jeevika's character...she should have been more agitated, perhaps showing a scene of her pacing around in the doctors office or lobby would have been better...better yet, maybe showing the doctor all her research would have been active...but it almost seemed like the 3 were taking everything at face value...

I'm curious to see how much they enhance the cancer track now that they are at a cancer institute, i hope it goes deeper...i understand they're trying to bring out Maanvi's love as well...and I think what the CV's are trying to go for here is "a young girl with a terminal illness falls in love, but will she be able to love?" - i don't think CV's are concerned with the mechanics of cancer and are rather giving us those technicalities simply because we are asking...they're more interested in how a girl with a terminal illness deals with love and yes, I am interested in that too however I agree that viewers need a balance between filler scenes, love scenes and real scenes that are important to the illness.


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Reemz, I never reply to your posts...but believe me, I make sure to read all of them.Smile

You are very sensitive with your words. Personally, I am not a Behna fan...but your posts make me love the JeeMan bondEmbarrassed


Originally posted by *Reemz*

We are talking about cancer right? Today was supposed to be an important doctors appointment but do we get to see? 

- Manvi getting jealous all of a sudden when couple of days back she had joked about Virat's love life. I don't deny that she is in love with Virat but why was this scene necessary just before a serious scene? For goodness sake Manvi, you must feel some sort of nervousness?!
I have been harping about this for God knows how long! Okay we get she is a lively person and wants to live every moment. But she is a human after all, surely she must have some doubts about CANCER. She is bound to have some recurring thoughts about the possible turn-of-events?? What if she does not make it??? If you are not bothered about yourself, at least show her fear for Jeevika and rest of family. What will happen to them once she is gone??? Do the CV's say a cancer patient never thinks about her death???


- The doctors scene itself was probably something I've seen in any other average Desi drama where I hear the typical dialogues. Where are these new reports coming from now? Is Manvi getting more tests done? I guess we will never know because tests just randomly pop out of the hospital records.
Maanvi's treatment has been going downhill ever since she came to Chandigarh. I still don't know what exactly have Viren and Jeevika done to exactly take care of her??? I don't consider the juice, medicine and boiled food as taking care. Swamini Bua had said M will get better medical facilities in Chandigarh as compared to Rishikesh...which is true, But have they ever taken Mannu to a hospital there??? We saw J asking Dr. M to give contact details of Dr.Bakshi...but has she done a follow-up on that???  There are too many loopholes in thereConfused


-Jeevika: Why isn't she taking charge? Or is it just to show how Virat cares for Manvi? I thought the whole point of Jeevika finding out is so she can take charge but she was quiet most of the time. Plus no reaction on the bruises? No questions to Manvi as to where they are? I maybe the only one but I was gobsmacked when they put in a Vireka 'romantic' conversation at that point. Dude you've just come out from what should have been a very serious conversation with the Doctor regarding your sisters CANCER and what do you? Blush over the phone with your husband. As a standalone scene it would have been fine but the timing was wrong and it's about time Vireka go past this honeymoon stage.
I adored that conversation...but definetly the timing was wrong! Also, in Ayesha's thread...someone had mentioned Why is Jeevika not worried about M's treament when she was going all star-struck on seeing Mumbai???? Instead of laughing away in the car, she should have had fearful thoughts about the impending doctor appointment.

You may not like this, But I have been highly pissed at Jeevika for very long now. Putting Mannu on bed-arrest, loosing all focus on Viren and family, hurting yourself to take care for her, waking up all night to gather info...but don't take any action on the info u have got - there have been some major butchering of her character. J has always had an assertive character...yes she was soft-spoken but she took steps when it matterd. Case in point, The necklace fiasco with Swaimin, Mannu attending her marriage...I do not get why she has been suddenly turned into such a weak character.


-This isn't a cold, it's cancer. Recently they've taken entire seriousness away from the illness! I remember I used to get goosebumps even at the mention of the symptoms but instead of giving it the attention it should, the cancer is being treated way too lightly!
Remember what J said...bas thode dino ki baat hai, ek baar Mannu thik ho jaaye, phir mera pura waqt aapke aur humaare parivaar ke liye hoga Virenji.  That iself shows what the CV's think about this Cancer track...thode dino ki baatOuch





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The way cancer is being treated pisses me off !! @ the same time it makes me Laugh ! Reason why it pisses me off ! I have Seen many people suffer from Cancer in my family ! I have seen people go thru worst in 1st stage it self ! the weakness !! but here its like Cancer is a flu Confused !! 

and reason it pisses me off ! is the Way her treatment is happening n HOW even after every1 knows about her cancer, she is still hiding things tht she is going thru ! like y-day in hospital ! WHO hides things from their doctor who is treating thm !! 


No im not liking anything about this track ! CVs have made Cancer sound like some flu !! AYA / CHALA GAYA !! 

No cv's we not bunch of idiots ! we have seen people go thru cancer ! !we have seen how tht person is !! 

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