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Posted: 10 April 2012 at 9:45pm | IP Logged
@satya... Loved your analysis... beautiful words like always..
 
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@Doodle..  I loved your post today... it was one of the BEST... the way you describe ASR was just superb... I will Love to see Khushi's repentance...!  
 
Doodle.. you should post this as sticky on the first page for people to understand ASR...and Arnav,,!!! Wonderful..
 
Today I was taking to my kindergardner..  He is very emotional.. such a lovable boy. but never express his feelings.. also he is very clumsy.. and NOT at all a smarty pant ( kinda geeky..)
 
He was telling me that all the girls in his class  ( 6yrs old..:)  are SOOO mean.. they tease him all the time.. and the bully boys are much better than GIRLS... LOL He was questiong if all the girls in world are meanie...LOL 
I just remembered  Khushi and Arnav equation at that time.. and how Khushi troubled poor Arnav... :) .
 
I wish he get someone like doodle to decode him once he grow up...:)
 
 


Edited by nema123 - 10 April 2012 at 9:58pm

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Posted: 10 April 2012 at 9:46pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by tanthya

Originally posted by --Anna--

Originally posted by tanthya


Sweethearts,

Anna, Prathima, Riya..

It was a loaded epi...Just watch it again, the clue is in the dialogs and if u remember our discussions, u will notice  a vital  action has begun today Smile


Sathya U will have to explain to us! I am just too messed up with the lack of story moving! See my analysis and you will know the frustration I have! LOL

And Dad is on tour that is why I am here Tongue


I'll not take away tha Joy of discovering ...I have given u hints..now run it along with  what U have seen today and u will get it ..WinkBig smile

I'll tell u this..This was not a complete filler..there was something in it..ab dhoondo Big smile
Okay Satya :) :) will watch it episode again today :)

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Posted: 10 April 2012 at 9:49pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by garima_IPKKND

Sathuuu babes and Anna, lovely analysis ClapClapClapClap

girls...i pheel proud of u...LOL

n wat??????? story progressed? n tht too Sathu is saying??Shocked i have to gather all my bulbs so tht they glow n guide me the path to tht HIDDEN HINT..LOL
Anna & Garima like Satya said i wil watch the episode again today :) will try to get the hidden meaning .. If i fail u girls help me out Tongue

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Posted: 10 April 2012 at 9:52pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by doodleberry

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better will be for all of us.  A word of advice to the PH here; see for some viewers you need to spoon-feed them and that is why I say use monologues or FBs so that they can connect the storyline. You narrate the story in an Aesthetic form but some viewers need it straight forward. Just understand your demographics and then you all can figure out the process. That faith I have in you.


I actually liked today's episode and as I said the treatment was a big problem today but the message of today's episode was BRILLIANT. Yes, the entire message of today's episode was Anjali's "Talk about her chote's character trait". As usual, Khushi didn't pick up at the moment but she will when the time will come. This is where the treatment fits in. Yes, the treatment was pathetic no doubt and the serious knowledge that she received from Anjali didn't even occur in her mind to ponder over it but as they say ' when we work towards our goal then in the process we get some very valuable information that leads us to a completely different avenue and here also it will be the same. Khushi's gameplan right now is to irritate ASR with excessive love in a very unemotional way but what she is not understanding that this gameplan will lead her to discover the most important attribute or character trait of ASR, that is -  "His Heart and his definition of Love".


I guess till date I have explained many attributes of ASR's characteristics ' "reverse psychology, Opportunist, Schizophrenic, Just' etc" but today, Anjali have opened another layer of Arnav Singh Raizada, and that is his "fear of love or being loved". NO. This is where Anjali is wrong and this is where Khushi is also wrong. This is where they both have been wrong all along to read the mind of Arnav Singh Raizada. It is not about his lack of expressing his love but it is all about "his way of expressing his love". Yes, when I say this, then I will prove you also that all the people in IPK family (in serial) have not understood what "Actual ASR" is.  Allow me.


The only continuation with B&B story from Monday was when Arnav had a calm look at Khushi before sleeping and it showed that he recollected the words of Khushi defining him as the beast and the prince; then again Khushi's look at him after he slept from the bed was also her recollecting his emotions from the Heer-Ranjha act. This is what is called as "Arnav-Khushi" Equation. Now today's message will be solidified in the future with the help of the above established Arnav-Khushi equation. This is where the story forward fits in. Only thing is the creative team should be able to portray the episodes coming forward properly.


Now Khushi changing "Ranneeti" - this is an innuendo. PH confirming they are changing their "Strategies" and also at the same time the "Triangle" theory been acknowledged by the CVs with Khushi's declaration to change her "Gameplan" with Arnav. So far we have seen the gameplan started between Arnav and Shyaam; the gameplan started between Shyaam and Khushi; today we saw Khushi started move and entered the War with her latest gameplan, "Ranneeti" for Arnav.See the connection to the center??? All the three players started their gameplan with the help of Anjali and triggered by Anjali, directly or indirectly. Today also there was no exception.

1.     Arnav - Shyaam fight - because of Anjali and for Anjali

2.     Shyaam - Khushi fight - because of Anjali and for Anjali

3.     Khushi - Arnav fight - because of Anjali and for Anjali

I have already explained the "Triangle" theory about the game before in my earlier analysis so now will not talk about it. 


"Love takes off masks that we fear we cannot live without and know we cannot live within" ~ James A. Baldwin


"Love". This is one word that has no specific definition. Right??? There are many kinds of love - parental love, siblings' love, spouse love, friendly love, lover's love, etc. but when a person is defined with this specific emotion then we also need to understand the material that this specific person is made of. If you ask me then I will define Arnav Singh Raizada in the words of John Keats ~ "Love is my religion - I could die for it". Yes, this is the actual Arnav Singh Raizada, a person who devoid himself from the most coveted feeling in the world but within himself he is filled with the same emotion. Do you ever realize from where his "Reverse Psychology" comes from??? Do you ever wonder why he wears the Schizo mask??? Do you ever think why he keeps himself away from expressing??? This is all NOT because he lacks in expressing his emotions BUT because his way of expressing his emotions is completely different. This is where Anjali and Khushi are different than Arnav. This is where the two most important women in his life have failed to understand their "Arnav" in their own respective brains. I will now narrate some of the events just to prove how Arnav is and why I say so and why this message will lead to Khushi's "Repentance" as well as Anjali's Repentance. Yes, you read it right - Khushi's Repentance.


Let me take you to the day when Anjali and Arnav were remembering their Mom's letter and her message to her daughter-in-law. She wrote in that - "Gussa bardasht kar lena, aur pyaar sood saumet lautana". That was not the whole attribute of ASR's character but a very important message. Today's FB made me think, it was much before the death of their Mom and Arnav was always like this since his childhood. The problem is not with his past but it is in his persona. Every human being is different and their way of expressing is also different. Just look at Raizada family - All the members are different in their attitude and behaviors; even in expressing their love. Some people can express their love easily but for some people it becomes a very big problem. For them it's their actions that speak and not their words.



It was that day of Bhaidooj when Anjali was hurt by Arnav's words and left home to be alone for some time. That day when Arnav searched her all over and finally found her at the temple at a corner, it was a relief of a brother, a brother for whom his sister is the world; a brother for whom this world exists just because his sister exists; for a brother who fears of losing her and that is why he said - "Di, aap hi meri duniya ho". Arnav Singh Raizada, who never is vocal about his love was vocal that day and verbalized his fear of losing his only Di. When in Teej, Anjali was feeling dizzy because of fast then it was Arnav who even though never believes in God, accompanies her to the Temple all the time just to be sure that his Di is safe. That is Arnav. Yes, every time there was a single fear of losing Anjali, Arnav jumped in to express his feelings that exists deep within his heart. Who say, he fears from love or to be loved??? No he doesn't but he is a man who never expresses it 'coz he deosn't know how to express it. Period. Love is one emotion that defines Arnav Singh Raizada to the T. When Arnav learnt that Shyaam and Khushi were betraying Anjali and that Anjali's life needs to be saved, he didn't hide himself behind the mask of illusion but rather decided to face it and disclose it in front of Anjali. The moment he learnt about her pregnancy, he backed off and sacrificed his image, his dreams, his life, his principles, his fear, his love everything for Anjali within a fraction of a second.  Did anyone ever realize that the person who never was vocal about his love have buried his entire emotions for the sake of his sister??? No naa. Let me take you to the other side of the coin what he did before.


It was that day, when Arnav and Lavanya were about to be engaged and in the midst of all the preparations he realized that the woman he is supposed to be engaged to is not even in his thought process. He realized that he feels for Khushi, that Khushi is always involved in his thoughts; he realized that Khushi is one person who he feels for; he realized Khushi is one person that his heart beats for. The moment he realized he didn't even waste a single moment to inform Lavanya; he didn't betray her. He should have because as per his knowledge, Khushi is engaged and soon will be someone else's wife. He also knew that he and Khushi can never be together and Lavanya is already here in love with him. If he would have thought this angle, then he could have got engaged with her but instead he didn't want to sabotage Lavanya's life by giving her a life that will never make her happy. At the same time, Arnav knew, it is impossible for him to claim his love for Khushi. What this man did??? He "Sacrificed" both the options for the sake of both the girls' future. When he broke off the engagement he didn't have the knowledge about Khushi's broken engagement but he did, because neither he can stop loving Khushi nor he can do justice with Lavanya. This is Arnav Singh Raizada and this is what his principles are made of. Did he gloat or express his love when he learnt that Khushi's engagement was broken off??? No he didn't. Khushi has no idea that Arnav had actually helped Lavanya to lead a better life and to have a perfect match for herself in future and he actually rescued her from sabotaging her entire life. At the same time Arnav didn't voice the reason and his feelings for Khushi when they had the confrontation by the pool even though he could. This is Arnav Singh Raizada and this is how his expressive nature all about. He cannot express and that is why he hides himself behind the mask of "Anger".One needs to judge him with his actions and not his words.

Now see the connection. The man who decided to live his life alone and devoid himself from love and didn't even let himself have a chance with Lavanya in future as that is against his principle has sacrificed his "this love for Khushi" when he heard about Anjali's pregnancy. What he did??? He sabotaged all the future prospects and his image and risked his "only meaningful relationship" with Anjali for the sake of that very "Anjali". Can anyone imagine the extent of his love???  


Then comes the episode where Khushi went MIA. That day we all have witnessed how Arnav was worried, horrified, restless when there were signs that Khushi might be injured. But the moment love took off the mask of fear that he cannot live without Khushi, what he did??? He almost declared in the middle of the road that he loves her. Yes, there comes his expressions and it's very rare in the curious case of ASR; for him it is always only when the fear of losing comes into the picture. Like he did in the Heer Ranjha act. Didn't he??? Who says he cannot express??? He can. He may not be like Aakash or Shyaam, who showers their lady loves with gifts or memorabilia but he has his own way of expressing. That is how his expression of love his.

Wait for the day he learns that Khushi is innocent, he will crawl from the middle of the road to the same Temple where he humiliated her and married her for the sake of his sister and will never be able to forgive himself for sabotaging his love for Khushi and Khushi's love for him that was never actually lost. Like I just said above in the words of John Keats - Love is his religion and he will die for it.

This is the actual message that was delivered in today's episode - "his way of expressing his love".


This message will lead to understanding "Arnav's heart and his definition of love" to both Anjali and Khushi and this is where Tant's Triangle fits in. These two ladies at the base with Arnav at the apex.  Love cannot be measured but one thing I can say, when it is about Love then Arnav will always be at the Apex. Today's this message will lead to Khushi and Anjali's repentance. First it will be Khushi who will repent and then it will be Anjali when she will realize the extent of her bother's love. Yeah Khushi will connect the dots once this "Gopi Bahu" comedy track in humiliating ASR will be over she will realize how she had mocked Arnav's fear of love and being loved. The moment she will remember Lavanya's words - "Tum samajh jaogi" and why did Arnav break the engagement with Lavanya even without knowing Khushi's broken engagement and how he freed Lavanya from an unnecessary relationship, she will repent. She has to. When she will realize that the wedding that Arnav was forced to do with her for Anjali was actually because of her own mistake in hiding the major truth from Arnav, Khushi will repent. She has to. She has NO other option. I have always said, they are equals and if Arnav has to repent then Khushi also has to repent.


Today's track of humiliation of Arnav's love will definitely make Khushi Kumari Gupta Singh Raizada regret one day for she failed to understand the only person that mattered to her heart for this man knows to love and his way of expressing love is through sacrificing his own happiness and living life for others for he is truthful and just. 




today i liked ur post more than ever. it doesnot mean that i liked less other time. ur are always good.

one particular reason i always loved arnav right from the beginning  is, he is mature, dignified personality. he is always in right mind. as most of the people put it, he is ruthless...beast... It is not so. he loves his family... not to forget his di.
i always liked their relationship. barun and db compliment each other as bro-sis...

 their scene always remained top notch scenes.

It caught my attention, when anjali narrated the childhood incident. i felt it is odd. because i always felt arnav is capable of love ...unconditional love. his ways of expressing love is subtle. ...not giving  importance to words, rather to actions.

Because arnav doesnot have much dialogues, we have to understand by his expressions which brun is doing greatly. as u said most people dont understand these kind of story telling.( is  not it obvious that fights always goes on bet a-k gps)

want to write more, but cant. restriction of time. reading all the post takes so much time ...where the time left to writeLOL.Wink..bye...

loved ur post very,very much.



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Posted: 10 April 2012 at 9:55pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by doodleberry

It was that day of Bhaidooj when Anjali was hurt by Arnav's words and left home to be alone for some time. That day when Arnav searched her all over and finally found her at the temple at a corner, it was a relief of a brother, a brother for whom his sister is the world; a brother for whom this world exists just because his sister exists; for a brother who fears of losing her and that is why he said - "Di, aap hi meri duniya ho". Arnav Singh Raizada, who never is vocal about his love was vocal that day and verbalized his fear of losing his only Di. When in Teej, Anjali was feeling dizzy because of fast then it was Arnav who even though never believes in God, accompanies her to the Temple all the time just to be sure that his Di is safe. That is Arnav. Yes, every time there was a single fear of losing Anjali, Arnav jumped in to express his feelings that exists deep within his heart. Who say, he fears from love or to be loved??? No he doesn't but he is a man who never expresses it 'coz he deosn't know how to express it. Period. Love is one emotion that defines Arnav Singh Raizada to the T. When Arnav learnt that Shyaam and Khushi were betraying Anjali and that Anjali's life needs to be saved, he didn't hide himself behind the mask of illusion but rather decided to face it and disclose it in front of Anjali. The moment he learnt about her pregnancy, he backed off and sacrificed his image, his dreams, his life, his principles, his fear, his love everything for Anjali within a fraction of a second.  Did anyone ever realize that the person who never was vocal about his love have buried his entire emotions for the sake of his sister??? No naa. Let me take you to the other side of the coin what he did before.


It was that day, when Arnav and Lavanya were about to be engaged and in the midst of all the preparations he realized that the woman he is supposed to be engaged to is not even in his thought process. He realized that he feels for Khushi, that Khushi is always involved in his thoughts; he realized that Khushi is one person who he feels for; he realized Khushi is one person that his heart beats for. The moment he realized he didn't even waste a single moment to inform Lavanya; he didn't betray her. He should have because as per his knowledge, Khushi is engaged and soon will be someone else's wife. He also knew that he and Khushi can never be together and Lavanya is already here in love with him. If he would have thought this angle, then he could have got engaged with her but instead he didn't want to sabotage Lavanya's life by giving her a life that will never make her happy. At the same time, Arnav knew, it is impossible for him to claim his love for Khushi. What this man did??? He "Sacrificed" both the options for the sake of both the girls' future. When he broke off the engagement he didn't have the knowledge about Khushi's broken engagement but he did, because neither he can stop loving Khushi nor he can do justice with Lavanya. This is Arnav Singh Raizada and this is what his principles are made of. Did he gloat or express his love when he learnt that Khushi's engagement was broken off??? No he didn't. Khushi has no idea that Arnav had actually helped Lavanya to lead a better life and to have a perfect match for herself in future and he actually rescued her from sabotaging her entire life. At the same time Arnav didn't voice the reason and his feelings for Khushi when they had the confrontation by the pool even though he could. This is Arnav Singh Raizada and this is how his expressive nature all about. He cannot express and that is why he hides himself behind the mask of "Anger".One needs to judge him with his actions and not his words.

Now see the connection. The man who decided to live his life alone and devoid himself from love and didn't even let himself have a chance with Lavanya in future as that is against his principle has sacrificed his "this love for Khushi" when he heard about Anjali's pregnancy. What he did??? He sabotaged all the future prospects and his image and risked his "only meaningful relationship" with Anjali for the sake of that very "Anjali". Can anyone imagine the extent of his love???  


Then comes the episode where Khushi went MIA. That day we all have witnessed how Arnav was worried, horrified, restless when there were signs that Khushi might be injured. But the moment love took off the mask of fear that he cannot live without Khushi, what he did??? He almost declared in the middle of the road that he loves her. Yes, there comes his expressions and it's very rare in the curious case of ASR; for him it is always only when the fear of losing comes into the picture. Like he did in the Heer Ranjha act. Didn't he??? Who says he cannot express??? He can. He may not be like Aakash or Shyaam, who showers their lady loves with gifts or memorabilia but he has his own way of expressing. That is how his expression of love his.

Wait for the day he learns that Khushi is innocent, he will crawl from the middle of the road to the same Temple where he humiliated her and married her for the sake of his sister and will never be able to forgive himself for sabotaging his love for Khushi and Khushi's love for him that was never actually lost. Like I just said above in the words of John Keats - Love is his religion and he will die for it.

This is the actual message that was delivered in today's episode - "his way of expressing his love".

 
What a wonderful analysis of who Arnav Singh Raizada is and oh so true! Just reminded me why the Redux thread makes me revisit my opinions / impressions of the serial!


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Awesome analysis, as usual, ladies. Clap

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Awesome and supperb Analysis sathya as usuealClap

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@Doodles, you nailed it! This is exactly why some are unhappy, while the CVs delivered their message it was the treatment of it that upset many.
 
Yes, Anjali and Khushi both fail to understand Arnav but that will change especially with Khushi. The day will come where she will have a firm grasp of the person Arnav is, there will be no need to question his actions or why he is the way he is. Khushi will just know. It will happen just like its been shown to slowly happen to Arnav, like today he didn't get angry at Khushi or lose his temper instead he took the time to try to figure out what was going on in her mind. Arnav was trying to understand the reasoning behind her actions. Khushi will be shown doing the same in the future, she just needs that push to connect all the dots and when that happens there will be no stopping her.

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