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Posted: 08 April 2012 at 7:23pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by gheeshakkar

Originally posted by aparnam

[ OH REALLY???? PLS...wat abt the innumerous posts of ASR being a criminal,khushi should find some other guy,shyam better than arnav???
I haven't come across many such posts (but then I only wade through posts that are grammatically sound, so perhaps you are right). And I am not even saying bias is wrong. Hell, there is bias every where. Even my mom loves my sister more than she loves me (don't blame her!). But I am just saying that based on what I see, I find that Arnav supporters in this forum seem to believe that he is gravely wronged and pick on the slightest of misstep from Khushi. Khushi has to constantly take some redemption path to please Arnav fans. I find that strange, that is all. Though as a heterosexual woman, I kinda get it. Anyway my point was that, I hate being condescended to and told something like, you won't understand, so I won't explain this to you. What are we? Arnav and Khushi - two people incapable of conversation. No, I am sure unlike those two, the rest of us in this forum can meet each other halfway and not shut each other out with big, fat egos.

ok i understand ur feelings...first of all i think most of the people who stand for arnav "understands" his character than "justify" his actions..n ur statement of the forum being"supremely biased" is hard to intake..n abt my fat big ego..ya my ego refrains me frm commenting in arnav bashing posts n i clearly ignore..we have our on POVs..i have supported khushi wen she was right..n dont hav to do tat wen she is not..just because v both are women..

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Posted: 08 April 2012 at 7:32pm | IP Logged
i would just add one thing here. Khushi did not ask Arnav to marry her, he forced her to marry him.

there is a saying in my language, paraphrasing here.
if you pick a venomous snake and decide to put it in your pocket, how do you not expect to be bitten by it?

so if arnav dragged khushi into his sphere of influence, he cannot expect to be not hurt by her reactions.

khushi is flawed no doubt, but what arnav has done to her is nothing short of criminal under any court of law.

now, i understand this is drama, so I will take it for the sake of drama to allow the story to move forward. But in reality, what Arnav has done to khushi is a grave injustice of massive proportions and not at all comparable to the fact that khushi hid shyam's truth from him.

Had he not dragged her into his house, she would not be in danger of facing shyam day in and day out. right now, she has no one to protect her, in her own house she had atleast buaji.

so lets not mix reality and fiction. in fiction, i will watch this for the sake of drama. But in reality, khushi's faults pale in comparison and ASR's forced marriage is criminal under Indian Penal Court and Hindu Marriage Act. Lets not gloss it.

No offence meant, zoha, I hope you understand. you know i am a sensible and reasonable person, but i dont want the fictional comparisons, understanding and/or justification of ASR's actions to gloss over the reality of it.

Here is an excerpt from Human Rights commission :-

JUST FYI - For drama's sake we can ignore the following but lets not forget what human rights laws have to say about it

http://www.forcedmarriage.net/media/images/FMGuidance-for-PoliceOfficers_108.pdf

Forced marriage is an abuse of human rights. "Marriage shall be entered into only with the free and full consent of the intending spouses."
(Universal Declaration of Human Rights, Article 16 (2))

"A woman's right to choose a spouse and enter freely into marriage is central to her life and her dignity and equality as a human being."
(General Recommendation No. 21, UN Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination Against Women)



Edited by serialjunkie - 08 April 2012 at 7:58pm

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Posted: 08 April 2012 at 10:15pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by serialjunkie

i would just add one thing here. Khushi did not ask Arnav to marry her, he forced her to marry him.

there is a saying in my language, paraphrasing here.
if you pick a venomous snake and decide to put it in your pocket, how do you not expect to be bitten by it?

so if arnav dragged khushi into his sphere of influence, he cannot expect to be not hurt by her reactions.

khushi is flawed no doubt, but what arnav has done to her is nothing short of criminal under any court of law.

now, i understand this is drama, so I will take it for the sake of drama to allow the story to move forward. But in reality, what Arnav has done to khushi is a grave injustice of massive proportions and not at all comparable to the fact that khushi hid shyam's truth from him.

Had he not dragged her into his house, she would not be in danger of facing shyam day in and day out. right now, she has no one to protect her, in her own house she had atleast buaji.

so lets not mix reality and fiction. in fiction, i will watch this for the sake of drama. But in reality, khushi's faults pale in comparison and ASR's forced marriage is criminal under Indian Penal Court and Hindu Marriage Act. Lets not gloss it.

No offence meant, zoha, I hope you understand. you know i am a sensible and reasonable person, but i dont want the fictional comparisons, understanding and/or justification of ASR's actions to gloss over the reality of it.

Here is an excerpt from Human Rights commission :-

JUST FYI - For drama's sake we can ignore the following but lets not forget what human rights laws have to say about it

http://www.forcedmarriage.net/media/images/FMGuidance-for-PoliceOfficers_108.pdf

Forced marriage is an abuse of human rights. "Marriage shall be entered into only with the free and full consent of the intending spouses."
(Universal Declaration of Human Rights, Article 16 (2))

"A woman's right to choose a spouse and enter freely into marriage is central to her life and her dignity and equality as a human being."
(General Recommendation No. 21, UN Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination Against Women)

Hey there, well everyone has right to there opinion..so are you..but I disagree with one fact..khushi was blackmailed for this marriage fine..but she did have her choices..it was not as arnav didnt give her any choice...yes what he did was not correct..but i dont think it was crime..she chose to marry arnav in full senses... he gave her choice to either marry or he will not let payash wedding take place.. I agree she was blackmailed..but she could have let him do what he wanted...if she really didnt want to get into this marriage...here I dont say arnav was not at bigger fault..yes he was...ofcourse he was..I just want to say...khushi did have a choice...

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Posted: 08 April 2012 at 10:25pm | IP Logged
Smriti - you are right and Arnav Singh Raizada should be jailed . Khushi should have the guts to get out of Raizada mansion and go to police station and complain against ASR - that she was forced to marry him. She should actually take help of Shyam the lawyer and do that .
 
Another actor  should get entry and pair with Khushi . A nice sweet man who is always smiling and looks cuddly, e.g.  someone like Naitik would be great.
 
I would love to watch Barun Sobti in ail striped prisoner  attire and render the performance never seen on TV before .Day Dreaming
 
Please do not complain if he again sweeps all the awards in SPA 2013  LOL

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Posted: 08 April 2012 at 10:26pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by riti4u

Hey there, well everyone has right to there opinion..so are you..but I disagree with one fact..khushi was blackmailed for this marriage fine..but she did have her choices..it was not as arnav didnt give her any choice...yes what he did was not correct..but i dont think it was crime..she chose to marry arnav in full senses... he gave her choice to either marry or he will not let payash wedding take place.. I agree she was blackmailed..but she could have let him do what he wanted...if she really didnt want to get into this marriage...here I dont say arnav was not at bigger fault..yes he was...ofcourse he was..I just want to say...khushi did have a choice...


its called a Hobson's choice or a Dilemma. ie between a rock and a hard place, ie. you kill yourself or i kill you.

in short, a choice that was not a choice at all.

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Posted: 08 April 2012 at 10:29pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by sunaina02

Smriti - you are right and Arnav Singh Raizada should be jailed . Khushi should have the guts to get out of Raizada mansion and go to police station and complain against ASR - that she was forced to marry him. She should actually take help of Shyam the lawyer and do that .
 
Another actor  should get entry and pair with Khushi . A nice sweet man who is always smiling and looks cuddly, e.g.  someone like Naitik would be great.
 
I would love to watch Barun Sobti in ail striped prisoner  attire and render the performance never seen on TV before .Day Dreaming
 
Please do not complain if he again sweeps all the awards in SPA 2013  LOL

su - you need to separate fact and fiction. i am very clear in my post that you can enjoy the drama as is and let the makers show what they want.

but lets not gloss over the fact that in reality what the character ASR did is indeed considered criminal and what he did is NOT EQUAL to khushi's idiocy.

As for your tone of sarcasm, i don't care to comment on that.


Edited by serialjunkie - 08 April 2012 at 10:31pm

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Posted: 08 April 2012 at 10:29pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by riti4u

Originally posted by serialjunkie

i would just add one thing here. Khushi did not ask Arnav to marry her, he forced her to marry him.

there is a saying in my language, paraphrasing here.
if you pick a venomous snake and decide to put it in your pocket, how do you not expect to be bitten by it?

so if arnav dragged khushi into his sphere of influence, he cannot expect to be not hurt by her reactions.

khushi is flawed no doubt, but what arnav has done to her is nothing short of criminal under any court of law.

now, i understand this is drama, so I will take it for the sake of drama to allow the story to move forward. But in reality, what Arnav has done to khushi is a grave injustice of massive proportions and not at all comparable to the fact that khushi hid shyam's truth from him.

Had he not dragged her into his house, she would not be in danger of facing shyam day in and day out. right now, she has no one to protect her, in her own house she had atleast buaji.

so lets not mix reality and fiction. in fiction, i will watch this for the sake of drama. But in reality, khushi's faults pale in comparison and ASR's forced marriage is criminal under Indian Penal Court and Hindu Marriage Act. Lets not gloss it.

No offence meant, zoha, I hope you understand. you know i am a sensible and reasonable person, but i dont want the fictional comparisons, understanding and/or justification of ASR's actions to gloss over the reality of it.

Here is an excerpt from Human Rights commission :-

JUST FYI - For drama's sake we can ignore the following but lets not forget what human rights laws have to say about it

http://www.forcedmarriage.net/media/images/FMGuidance-for-PoliceOfficers_108.pdf

Forced marriage is an abuse of human rights. "Marriage shall be entered into only with the free and full consent of the intending spouses."
(Universal Declaration of Human Rights, Article 16 (2))

"A woman's right to choose a spouse and enter freely into marriage is central to her life and her dignity and equality as a human being."
(General Recommendation No. 21, UN Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination Against Women)

Hey there, well everyone has right to there opinion..so are you..but I disagree with one fact..khushi was blackmailed for this marriage fine..but she did have her choices..it was not as arnav didnt give her any choice...yes what he did was not correct..but i dont think it was crime..she chose to marry arnav in full senses... he gave her choice to either marry or he will not let payash wedding take place.. I agree she was blackmailed..but she could have let him do what he wanted...if she really didnt want to get into this marriage...here I dont say arnav was not at bigger fault..yes he was...ofcourse he was..I just want to say...khushi did have a choice...
 
Exactly - Khushi had the choice to break Payals marriage and not be forced into her wedlock. She need not carry the responsibility of making Payal happy on her "18 -year" shoulders.


Edited by sunaina02 - 08 April 2012 at 10:29pm

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Posted: 08 April 2012 at 10:32pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by serialjunkie

Originally posted by riti4u

Hey there, well everyone has right to there opinion..so are you..but I disagree with one fact..khushi was blackmailed for this marriage fine..but she did have her choices..it was not as arnav didnt give her any choice...yes what he did was not correct..but i dont think it was crime..she chose to marry arnav in full senses... he gave her choice to either marry or he will not let payash wedding take place.. I agree she was blackmailed..but she could have let him do what he wanted...if she really didnt want to get into this marriage...here I dont say arnav was not at bigger fault..yes he was...ofcourse he was..I just want to say...khushi did have a choice...


its called a Hobson's choice or a Dilemma. ie between a rock and a hard place, ie. you kill yourself or i kill you.

in short, a choice that was not a choice at all.
Tongue Hey buddy... she could have trusted akash enough to stand by payal or she could have atleast thought how will arnav stop wedding and confront his family...but here she trusted arnav enough that he could have ruined wedding... I agree she was blackmailed..she took an emotional step..but I am just saying that she could have thought about herself at that point..thats just my POV... respect your opinion...Smile

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