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Posted: 09 April 2012 at 6:16am | IP Logged
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[QUOTE=sunflower52]Well hello she had the chance to let the family know Shaym held her during sangeet and the way he talked to her. She should have let them know and could have told Asr then.

When all this happened he was not even a family member.

Do you even understand the character of Asr. He is under the impression that Khushi loves Shaym. So why would he protect from her own lover.

I just said what I believed was right.
I still believe the Gupta's should have let the Raizada's know about Shaym whether they believed it not. At least in the future when they will find the truth about him, they will not point the finger at them and say you knew and did not tell us.

I have said my piece and I am not going to discuss this further.

In this world lies never stay hidden forever and the truth comes out when you least expect.[/QUO
 
 
and i am never going to stop discussing this. the truth should have been told and truth can never been hidden. but sometimes truth is hid for a reason and i laid out all the reasons. in my eyes khushi is not lying for her own sake but for others which makes her great to me

That does not make me see as greatness but foolishness. 

That is why she is facing all the trouble, you are only helpless when you make yourself one.

No one will come and fight the battles for you. You have to fight for your own rights and demand justice.

You want justice and freedom for women. do not blame the system when you do not have the courage to fight for yourself.

In the west the changes of women came because 100 years ago, some women showed courage to rise and fight for their freedom. Now the women there are seeing the fruits.

So the asian women should do the same, we will do the favor for the future generation of the women.
here you are bang on target. women should fight for themselves and not be a recipent. i am just explaining why she is quiet. but i am completely in agreement about her taking a stand against shyam. high time,

Unless and until she does not speak up, no one will be able to help her, esp regarding Shaym. He is way more dangerous then Asr. 

High time she stops acting like some Super Woman and think she can handle everything on her own.

Her ego is the one which is stopping from asking Payal's help or some others. 

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I liked your post explaining the rationale behind khushi's silence. Enjoyed reading it. I like to disagree and like to add my cents.

I am a ardent fan of khushi but I am strongly against her decision of keep mum on Shyam's advances. As I said before, that decision makes her vulnerable to criticism later that she is wrong in keeping the silence. I strongly oppose it and as per khushi's character it does not go well. If they are trying to portray a heroine as meek as the weepy girl in 'the other show' I agree, the four reasons go very well with khushi. But Khushi is khushi and being meek is not in her character. She is a fighter and that's it. Be it with arnav or be it with shyam. 

You remember the writers take about khushi "Darthi hai but karthi hai".
I think thats the khushi we all fell in love with. Not the meek fluttering khushi in front of shyam. 

1) Shame and social stigma - The fear of society never stopped khushi from doing the right thing in the past. She never even thought what society thinks when Shyam's truth was out in front of her. She was never portrayed as someone who is afraid to face the society for doing the right thing. This explanation goes well with payal's character. Not khushi. So this is not the reason for khushi's silence.

2) Fear of upsetting the apple cart - Agree on this lines. She may loose everything if she reveals about shyam . Quite possible. It will upset all equations she ever developed so far. May be it is the thing which is holding her back.

3)Optimistic hope - She has got enough signals that Shyam has not changed even after giving him multiple chances. So if she is still thinking that Shyam will change it is a foolishness from her part.

4) Physical harm - Confused. I am not sure on this. I don't think Khushi fears shyam on those levels. CVs has not shown anything on that sort.

So I believe #2 could be the only reason behind her silence. 

Why to Tell GH:-Now if you are in the shoes of khushi what would you do? Share Share Share! Isn't it? Khushi is shown as so much attached to her family especially Payal. Their relationship is shown as a close knit one. And Be it adopted or not, Payal and co do care for khushi and She was even ready to put her engagement at stake for letting the raizada's the truth. It was completely khushi's decision to hide the truth. She has a good reason for it. But nevertheless her family supported it. They know half the truth and how contrived shyam can be. So If khushi tells them about the physical abuse, they will trust her and support her. the only question is how much they can do about it?

Whom to tell in GH:-Payal-Khushi bond is strong enough (as shown in the pre marriage episodes) for her to share the truth with payal. Payal has made lot of interesting decisions in the past, don't think of her as a doormat sister who can not do anything for khushi. Remember the way she blasted ASR post GH? She will stand up for khushi no matter what. Buaji, a very good candidate - Remember how she blasted shyam, the peeping tom? Khushi knows her family very well and knows that they will support her. But why this silence? Not logical as per khushi's character, my take. Feel free to disagree.

Emotional non continuity! - The creepy dialogues Shyam has thrown at her, is enough to make any girl cringe and her basic self preservation instincts should be up. You will not go around and making smiling faces. You will react! either physically or emotionally. It is missing! She is not reacting to his advances. No pondering over the issue. No worrying. She is abused in one scene and in the next scene she is chirpy. Not accepted. Khushi is beyond that, she is logical. Where is that khushi?Confused

These are the reasons why I feel She should share the truth to someone. The logic of silence is missing for me! And that same Silence is Shyams motivation.


Edited by sree07 - 09 April 2012 at 7:03am
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Originally posted by sree07

I liked your post explaining the rationale behind khushi's silence. Enjoyed reading it. I like to disagree and like to add my cents.

I am a ardent fan of khushi but I am strongly against her decision of keep mum on Shyam's advances. As I said before, that decision makes her vulnerable to criticism later that she is wrong in keeping the silence. I strongly oppose it and as per khushi's character it does not go well. If they are trying to portray a heroine as meek as the weepy girl in 'the other show' I agree, the four reasons go very well with khushi. But Khushi is khushi and being meek is not in her character. She is a fighter and that's it. Be it with arnav or be it with shyam. 

You remember the writers take about khushi "Darthi hai but karthi hai".
I think thats the khushi we all fell in love with. Not the meek fluttering khushi in front of shyam. 

1) Shame and social stigma - The fear of society never stopped khushi from doing the right thing in the past. She never even thought what society thinks when Shyam's truth was out in front of her. She was never portrayed as someone who is afraid to face the society for doing the right thing. This explanation goes well with payal's character. Not khushi. So this is not the reason for khushi's silence.
In that casr it as breaking off an engagement. In this case it is an affair with a married man and that too the jeejaji of her husband and her sister's husband. so there is a vast difference

2) Fear of upsetting the apple cart - Agree on this lines. She may loose everything if she reveals about shyam . Quite possible. It will upset all equations she ever developed so far. May be it is the thing which is holding her back.

3)Optimistic hope - She has got enough signals that Shyam has not changed even after giving him multiple chances. So if she is still thinking that Shyam will change it is a foolishness from her part. She is fast losing hope with each attempt. You can see that. So I agree. Time to drop the optimism and see the real Shyam.

4) Physical harm - Confused. I am not sure on this. I don't think Khushi fears shyam on those levels. CVs has not shown anything on that sort. They haven't shown it doesn't mean it is there. All abuse victims and eve teaser victims fear it. May be the CVs should show it so that we know that this is also a reason. Right now I agree they haven't shown it.

So I believe #2 could be the only reason behind her silence. 

Why to Tell GH:-Now if you are in the shoes of khushi what would you do? Share Share Share! Isn't it? Khushi is shown as so much attached to her family especially Payal. Their relationship is shown as a close knit one. And Be it adopted or not, Payal and co do care for khushi and She was even ready to put her engagement at stake for letting the raizada's the truth. It was completely khushi's decision to hide the truth. She has a good reason for it. But nevertheless her family supported it. They know half the truth and how contrived shyam can be. So If khushi tells them about the physical abuse, they will trust her and support her. the only question is how much they can do about it? That's is the problem here. This is not real family but adopted and they rub it in every time. She has just been accepted back but she is hesitant to again cause trouble. Here I totally sympathise with her predicament. Payal is so sissy she always leans on Khushi. Perhaps she knows this. gARIMA CARES NOTHING BUT FOR pAYALIYA. bAUJI IS THE ONLY HOPE AND YES bUAJI TOO. She is protective about Khushi

Whom to tell in GH:-Payal-Khushi bond is strong enough (as shown in the pre marriage episodes) for her to share the truth with payal. Payal has made lot of interesting decisions in the past, don't think of her as a doormat sister who can not do anything for khushi. Remember the way she blasted ASR post GH? She will stand up for khushi no matter what. Buaji, a very good candidate - Remember how she blasted shyam, the peeping tom? Khushi knows her family very well and knows that they will support her. But why this silence? Not logical as per khushi's character, my take. Feel free to disagree. I disagree about her knowing that they will support her. She is afraid because she almost lost them just now. Payal may support her. But Payal is a weakling. Again Khushi knows that if she tells Payal she will try to do something about it and this may ruin her relationship with Akash. Having said that, I too believe her best bet is Payal. But it is because Payal is what she is that Khushi is mum.

Emotional non continuity! - The creepy dialogues Shyam has thrown at her, is enough to make any girl cringe and her basic self preservation instincts should be up. You will not go around and making smiling faces. You will react! either physically or emotionally. It is missing! She is not reacting to his advances. No pondering over the issue. No worrying. She is abused in one scene and in the next scene she is chirpy. Not accepted. Khushi is beyond that, she is logical. Where is that khushi?ConfusedAgree completely. They really need to focus more on this/
 
These are the reasons why I feel She should share the truth to someone. The logic of silence is missing for me! And that same Silence is Shyams  motivation. Disagree about the logic of silence because she is a typical non-reactive victim now because the agrressor is a close relative and he is still in some limits (though this itself is bad). There is going to be a time when Shyam does something worse and that will make her react. This is the sad case of most women in abusive sexual harassment cases.
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Posted: 09 April 2012 at 11:36am | IP Logged
Originally posted by rima

Originally posted by sree07

I liked your post explaining the rationale behind khushi's silence. Enjoyed reading it. I like to disagree and like to add my cents.

I am a ardent fan of khushi but I am strongly against her decision of keep mum on Shyam's advances. As I said before, that decision makes her vulnerable to criticism later that she is wrong in keeping the silence. I strongly oppose it and as per khushi's character it does not go well. If they are trying to portray a heroine as meek as the weepy girl in 'the other show' I agree, the four reasons go very well with khushi. But Khushi is khushi and being meek is not in her character. She is a fighter and that's it. Be it with arnav or be it with shyam. 

You remember the writers take about khushi "Darthi hai but karthi hai".
I think thats the khushi we all fell in love with. Not the meek fluttering khushi in front of shyam. 

1) Shame and social stigma - The fear of society never stopped khushi from doing the right thing in the past. She never even thought what society thinks when Shyam's truth was out in front of her. She was never portrayed as someone who is afraid to face the society for doing the right thing. This explanation goes well with payal's character. Not khushi. So this is not the reason for khushi's silence.
In that casr it as breaking off an engagement. In this case it is an affair with a married man and that too the jeejaji of her husband and her sister's husband. so there is a vast difference

- Even if it is jeejaji, I don't think khushi will back down from truth in fear of society. Her character will not do that. And the biggest point is, she is not at fault here, it is the advances of a mad person. So she knows she is not at fault. So why to fear? The girl, who went to a hotel to meet her future jeejaji at night to solve her jiji's prob, that girl was not scared of society. The same one who stayed uplate to finish of the ASR's punishment tasks was not scared of society. CVs had never ever shown a fear of social sigma trait in khushi and I love her for that. 

2) Fear of upsetting the apple cart - Agree on this lines. She may loose everything if she reveals about shyam . Quite possible. It will upset all equations she ever developed so far. May be it is the thing which is holding her back.

3)Optimistic hope - She has got enough signals that Shyam has not changed even after giving him multiple chances. So if she is still thinking that Shyam will change it is a foolishness from her part. She is fast losing hope with each attempt. You can see that. So I agree. Time to drop the optimism and see the real Shyam.


4) Physical harm - Confused. I am not sure on this. I don't think Khushi fears shyam on those levels. CVs has not shown anything on that sort. They haven't shown it doesn't mean it is there. All abuse victims and eve teaser victims fear it. May be the CVs should show it so that we know that this is also a reason. Right now I agree they haven't shown it.

So I believe #2 could be the only reason behind her silence. 

Why to Tell GH:-Now if you are in the shoes of khushi what would you do? Share Share Share! Isn't it? Khushi is shown as so much attached to her family especially Payal. Their relationship is shown as a close knit one. And Be it adopted or not, Payal and co do care for khushi and She was even ready to put her engagement at stake for letting the raizada's the truth. It was completely khushi's decision to hide the truth. She has a good reason for it. But nevertheless her family supported it. They know half the truth and how contrived shyam can be. So If khushi tells them about the physical abuse, they will trust her and support her. the only question is how much they can do about it? That's is the problem here. This is not real family but adopted and they rub it in every time. She has just been accepted back but she is hesitant to again cause trouble. Here I totally sympathise with her predicament. Payal is so sissy she always leans on Khushi. Perhaps she knows this. gARIMA CARES NOTHING BUT FOR pAYALIYA. bAUJI IS THE ONLY HOPE AND YES bUAJI TOO. She is protective about Khushi

Whom to tell in GH:-Payal-Khushi bond is strong enough (as shown in the pre marriage episodes) for her to share the truth with payal. Payal has made lot of interesting decisions in the past, don't think of her as a doormat sister who can not do anything for khushi. Remember the way she blasted ASR post GH? She will stand up for khushi no matter what. Buaji, a very good candidate - Remember how she blasted shyam, the peeping tom? Khushi knows her family very well and knows that they will support her. But why this silence? Not logical as per khushi's character, my take. Feel free to disagree. I disagree about her knowing that they will support her. She is afraid because she almost lost them just now. Payal may support her. But Payal is a weakling. Again Khushi knows that if she tells Payal she will try to do something about it and this may ruin her relationship with Akash. Having said that, I too believe her best bet is Payal. But it is because Payal is what she is that Khushi is mum.

Why to tell and whom to tell:- I somehow respect G parivaar a lot, because they treat khushi really well even though she is an orphan. Garima is concerned about payal more, to a limit. But she is equally protective about khushi. There was never a step mom attitude from her except for the initial few episodes. But the bond CVs have shown in the soap is very much stable and strong. In fact I have full faith in all the members of GH. When in despair, they might have taunted khushi with her step-d status. But they are good enough to support her in her predicament. GH people are shown as good hearted. Not a single mean entity over there.

Adding one more point.. garima is khushi's blood relative. her maternal aunt and payal is not a blood relation to garima. Payal is babuji's daughter and garima's step daughter. So I kind of respect her for being partial to payal. Love that trait

If at all khushi has taken a decision not to share the truth with GH members, it is definitely not because of the fear of loosing them. It might be because of her need to protect them from hurt and sadness. So as they say, GH is khushi's weakness as well as strength. But she opted to select GH as her weakness instead of strength in case of shyams truth.And she might have decided to protect them. I would say, it is a wrong decision because she has every reason to take GH members into confidence and confide the truth which she is not doing. She should turn them into her strength. It is a good move. 

Emotional non continuity! - The creepy dialogues Shyam has thrown at her, is enough to make any girl cringe and her basic self preservation instincts should be up. You will not go around and making smiling faces. You will react! either physically or emotionally. It is missing! She is not reacting to his advances. No pondering over the issue. No worrying. She is abused in one scene and in the next scene she is chirpy. Not accepted. Khushi is beyond that, she is logical. Where is that khushi?ConfusedAgree completely. They really need to focus more on this/
 
These are the reasons why I feel She should share the truth to someone. The logic of silence is missing for me! And that same Silence is Shyams  motivation. Disagree about the logic of silence because she is a typical non-reactive victim now because the agrressor is a close relative and he is still in some limits (though this itself is bad). There is going to be a time when Shyam does something worse and that will make her react. This is the sad case of most women in abusive sexual harassment cases.

---you just answered my point. Khushi is acting as a non-reactive victim and it is not in IPKKND khushi Kumari gupta's character. She is KKG and she will fight. I don't see the retaliation factor in her. Why are they portraying her as a meek butterfly fluttering under shyams grip?Totally unacceptable for me. The girl who poured hot tea over the might ASR for supposedly holding her dupatta is acting meek!!! What is this CVs?


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Edited by sree07 - 09 April 2012 at 11:39am
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- Even if it is jeejaji, I don't think khushi will back down from truth in fear of society. Her character will not do that. And the biggest point is, she is not at fault here, it is the advances of a mad person. So she knows she is not at fault. So why to fear? The girl, who went to a hotel to meet her future jeejaji at night to solve her jiji's prob, that girl was not scared of society. The same one who stayed uplate to finish of the ASR's punishment tasks was not scared of society. CVs had never ever shown a fear of social sigma trait in khushi and I love her for that. 
Those are small things compared to this.I still feel this is a massive issue involving many relationships and family ties. Attracting a married man is unthinkable to many girls. Just my PUV.

Why to tell and whom to tell:- I somehow respect G parivaar a lot, because they treat khushi really well even though she is an orphan. Garima is concerned about payal more, to a limit. But she is equally protective about khushi. There was never a step mom attitude from her except for the initial few episodes. But the bond CVs have shown in the soap is very much stable and strong. In fact I have full faith in all the members of GH. When in despair, they might have taunted khushi with her step-d status. But they are good enough to support her in her predicament. GH people are shown as good hearted. Not a single mean entity over there.Wrong. After the Shyam fiasco not a soul thought about what Khushi would go through. After her marriage too not a soul is bothered to find out why she really married arnav. I for one do not respect the gupta family except bauji and payal who truly love Khushi. The way they disowned her after marriage may be acceptable but not the dialogue that she is not their blood. They never bothered to check Shyam's background and forced Khushi into an engagement with Shyam and quickly forgot about it. They as elders were responsible for telling the Raizadas. But they simply neglected it. Khushi works for them day and night and the rest happily lives off her. You can always see in Khushi a desperation to please.

Adding one more point.. garima is khushi's blood relative. her maternal aunt and payal is not a blood relation to garima. Payal is babuji's daughter and garima's step daughter. So I kind of respect her for being partial to payal. Love that trait May be. But her attitude to Khushi is not the best. She needed to have been more careful about Shyam's background as said. Even after Holi no one came up to ask Khushi what happened and why Shyam is trying to touch her.
 
If at all khushi has taken a decision not to share the truth with GH members, it is definitely not because of the fear of loosing them. It might be because of her need to protect them from hurt and sadness. So as they say, GH is khushi's weakness as well as strength. But she opted to select GH as her weakness instead of strength in case of shyams truth.And she might have decided to protect them. I would say, it is a wrong decision because she has every reason to take GH members into confidence and confide the truth which she is not doing. She should turn them into her strength. It is a good move. 
 
My reasons are already explained. Khushi is emotionally insecure being orphaned and adopted. She wants to please people and stay out of causing trouble especially because she has been the cause of so much trouble, first Payal's broken wedding, then shyam badnami, then engagement break off. then her own marriage.
Emotional non continuity! - The creepy dialogues Shyam has thrown at her, is enough to make any girl cringe and her basic self preservation instincts should be up. You will not go around and making smiling faces. You will react! either physically or emotionally. It is missing! She is not reacting to his advances. No pondering over the issue. No worrying. She is abused in one scene and in the next scene she is chirpy. Not accepted. Khushi is beyond that, she is logical. Where is that khushi?ConfusedAgree completely. They really need to focus more on this/
 
These are the reasons why I feel She should share the truth to someone. The logic of silence is missing for me! And that same Silence is Shyams  motivation. Disagree about the logic of silence because she is a typical non-reactive victim now because the agrressor is a close relative and he is still in some limits (though this itself is bad). There is going to be a time when Shyam does something worse and that will make her react. This is the sad case of most women in abusive sexual harassment cases.

---you just answered my point. Khushi is acting as a non-reactive victim and it is not in IPKKND khushi Kumari gupta's character. She is KKG and she will fight. I don't see the retaliation factor in her. Why are they portraying her as a meek butterfly fluttering under shyams grip?Totally unacceptable for me. The girl who poured hot tea over the might ASR for supposedly holding her dupatta is acting meek!!! What is this CVs?
Agree. I would want her to pour hotter something on that Shyam. But then instinctively she knows Arnav is good and Shyam is evil.

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