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Posted: 07 April 2012 at 7:45pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by bee5


  I don't get hassled by differing view points. Anyway, more the people form teams, gang up against each other about Archana, Manav, the more good it is for the show. LOL That means the story is being talked-out, discussed, and kept in circulation. What more can the show makers ask for... LOL
 
 
 
Oh it's a good thig about the forum that people have different opinions and they can discuss it with each other ...Jai and I have different opinions but we always have such a good time ...
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Tanyaz, you are so right about the special relationship in 'Amar Prem'. I have watched 'Amar Prem' long time back when I was young, must have watched till Sharmila's character doting on  the neighbor's child  and dozed off there after. Next day morning my mom told me the rest of the story and I remember having tears in my eyes knowing how the boy grows up (Vinod Mehra) and comes back to take care of the stranger who had showered him with all the motherly love she had. Very very beautiful relationship. 

This also reminds me of a real-story that they showed on Crime-Patrol a few months back about how an unmarried Hindu guy who makes his living selling tea in small town in UP decides to take care of a 3 yr old Muslim boy he once finds in a park barely in a survival state. The guy with his meager earnings took care of his medical expenses and later took care of all his needs, gave all his love, educated him both from regular school and from a maulvi so that the kids religious faith is intact, even decided against his own marriage. When the boy was 12, a journalist visiting his tea stall comes to know of this unusual relationship, was so impressed that she ran a story on National TV. That is when the real parents came out claiming the child causing heart-breaks to the child, to the man and the real-parents ecstatic about finally finding their long lost child. DNA test proved the fact that they were in fact the real parents. To win the case, they even slapped a kid-napping case against the man and brought in the religious angle, but the best thing was the court's ruling due to the real-parent's background and the good upbringing the man gave the child. Court refused to displace the child from his foster father. The real parents lost the case even in high court and now they have appealed with the Supreme Court. Yes, it is a devastating fact for the real-parents, the boy and the man, but I was happy with the outcome. I cried loads watching that story. Smile

 

OMG, what a story ...
There are angels on earth , that's for sure .May God bless this man and his son gives him so much joy and happiness and takes really good care of him ...I hope they are always together ...

Okay, I wouldn't give all the credit of that to Archana alone, the same way a parent alone cannot be blamed if a child does something untoward or the parent can't claim all as their credit when the child is successful. The effort has to be from both sides. The giver has to give and the receiver has to receive, only then it would survive. What Purvi is today is equally because of the good foundation she was given and also her own effort to stay in that path. 
 
 
 No no, I am not saying that give the credit to Archana alone but she wil ltake some of that credit as she is the link between them ..She could have done what Savita and Manav did ...told  the girl how the ugly end happeneed but she chose to only remember the good parts of the relationship .She is a selfless woman , she did not think  about her but what was good for her daughter and she knows very well that a child who has no one , only her , could definitely need a daddy like Manav ( in her eyes Manv has the making of the best daddy in the world ) ..That is why she always made her daughter love him so that one day when he comes back ...he would become part of Purvi's life ..
Of course Purvi should be given credit and even more to Manav ..It is not easy to do what he did .He was not even there when the adoption took place but his heart always melts when Purvi is there .Manav and Purvi scenes are just beautiful ...

 
Archana did a great job raising Purvi. She did instill good things about everyone and everything while her real daughter's innocent minds were being poisoned by their grand-mother. I wouldn't blame Manav either for this because, he might have been hardly there for them and he himself believed the lies his mother told, so there was no chance he could tell anything good about his wife to his children. That is understandable for me, the same way it is understandable for me when she thinks she can sacrifice Manav for Sachin, because I do not see selfish-ness in this act of hers. 
 
This is the only place where I beg to differ ...
I blame Manav first for the hatred that is there in his daughter's heart and then Savita ..I hold him responsible and the  reason is because I feel he got selfish ...his own hate for Archana was stronger  than his daughters wellfare ...
How could he not remember one single good thing by Archana .. She was the one who was with him in his time of need ...when even his own mother threw him out of the house and he slept on the streets with his new bride ...
How could he not find one single good about Archana any more ...and so quickly believed the worst of her ...
 
Go to  this site  called  ehow ( my fav website ) .. You can ask how to do anythign here ...Put in the question ' how to be a good daddy ?' and look at the no. 1 answer ...
 
If you are married, let your children witness that you sincerely love and respect their mother: your wife. This teaches your children that love should be in a home. It also prepares them to be a loving and affectionate mate in their future relationships.
 
 

http://www.ehow.com/how_2175177_be-good-father.html

 
 
No matter what his problems , he should not have taught his children ( Teju's words ) to hate their mother and even  worse , allow them to get close to another woman enough for them to want her as their mother and not the mother who gave them life ...
The kids were in Manav's care , this happened in his supervision ..
 
This is one thing of Manav that is the worst he has eevr done to Archana ...
I agree with Jai that both Manav and Archana have hurt each other ...but making kids hate the parents is something  that only Manav has done and that is the worse thing anyone could have even done to Archana ...
This is the reason why I say now that he does not really love her or else he would have never done this to her ...
In my eyes , there is no excuse for what he has done here ..For this he will have to face some sort of a very severe punishment in life ...or else it will not be fair  , he should not get her back ..
can't forgive him for this Bee...sorry ...Ouch



 
Now, you see, I can stand-up for both Manav and Archana and also for Hiten and Ankita LOL I definitely commend Hiten for taking up the role of Manav which was taken to the heights of popularity by a different actor. Doing that is not easy, more over most of the time Manav is barking at Archana for his own mistake of believing his mother. At the same time I commend Ankita for carrying on as Archana. There are actors who exited out if they have to play mothers of grown-up children. So, her younger look is something I can overlook in the bargain.
 
Hiten and Ankita are both doing a great job ...
Most of the time  manav is screaming and shouting but somehow  he does manage to show his frustration more than his anger ...as if somewhere he knows that there is something  wrong somewhere ...
Ankita is just getting better and better ...
I love the way she is looking  .Don't want her  to look old at all ...
 
 

 
Okay, which dumb girl in the real world doesn't understand that a guy is having some feelings for her from the way Arjun looks at Purvi? Okay, okay, Purvi, I understand you are a belongs-to-the-middle-class-and-does-not-look-for-a-guy-herself kinda girl. I wonder if there are anymore such girls left in Mumbai these days LOL

While at it, let me get off 1 more thing from my chest - i would like to give a big shout-out to Meghana Amal, the creative-head of PR.The way you and your team have been developing Arjun-Purvi's story is very good. These days when heroines jump and prop themselves in hero's arms, the subtle love-story developed for Arjun-Purvi keeping them within their limits is commendable. Yes, as a viewer there are things like wanting Arjun to come clean about Ovi etc, but I understand it is required for the story telling. There are times where I have left the show getting bored, but when there is substance in the script (R.M Joshi), the screenplay that is developed is very good and worth mentioning is the Direction. I especially like the camera angles they get for the scenes (I have mentioned this a long time back too). The innovative camera angles that are there is this show are exceptional compared to other shows I have seen. I am not a film-making student and my profession is far far away from any creative field, but I think for a film-making student the direction that is in PR is resource-ful. One can learn a lot from it. Not sure what is going to happen tomorrow content-wise, but appreciation for the team was long overdue from me. Not easy to keep the story going for 3 long years and yes, there would be lot of pressure of being the top show for a channel, so take a pat, Great job all of guys and good luck. Ekta should definitely be proud of the team she has. 

p.s: If someone reading this is associated with PR, please pass the message on.
 
 
Interesting to read  what  you have written  about the creative team ..there are a few things in the story  I am not happy with .I think the relationship between Manav and Archana has been spoiled beyond repair now ...They have stretched it too much ..Just like the Varsha  Soham thing ...resulting in fall in TRPs this week but definitely the love story of Arjun and Purvi is picking up ...I also want to see now how Arjun will handle Ovi ...
 
It was a lovely post Bee..please keep coming in and and giving your analysis ...
 
that story about the man adopting a little boy was so lovely ...


Edited by Tanyaz - 07 April 2012 at 8:15pm

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Posted: 07 April 2012 at 10:23pm | IP Logged
DK is the only SANE person in PR.!! SERIOUSLY!!.. 

ARJUN And PURVI track so far.. has been amazing.. The scenes have been subtle and they look fabulous!!..

Purvi is SOOO PRETTY!!!.. and ARJUN is dashing!! (Credit ASHA and RITHVIK) ;-) 

They have so much in store for them.. Imagine fighting against mentaly instable self-sacrifising family!! .. OH BOY!!!.. 


Well.. What I am worried about is .. that we are going to have to sit through the trauma of watching this insanity BLOW UP!! lolS!!

and .. I am so addicted to ARVI now.. that leaving PR now is impossible..

I watch the show now ONLY for them!. and so I am nervous because I dont want ARVI rishta to be so Pavitra!!..

Well.. I am just going to sit back relax and watch Arvi scenes with no expectation !!!! how abt that! ;-)

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Thank you Jai and Tanyaz,
Tanyaz, you are such a sweet person.Tongue If I were anywhere near you, I would pull both of your cheeks for being so sweet and innocent. Big smile

Okay, now on to the serious things - 

Originally posted by Tanyaz


OMG, what a story ...
There are angels on earth , that's for sure .May God bless this man and his son gives him so much joy and happiness and takes really good care of him ...I hope they are always together ...

The most important part that I forgot to mention was that even that boy did not wanted leave his foster father and go to his real family. That is the amount of love and care he got from his foster father.

Originally posted by Tanyaz

 ..She could have done what Savita and Manav did ...told  the girl how the ugly end happeneed but she chose to only remember the good parts of the relationship .She is a selfless woman , she did not think  about her but what was good for her daughter and she knows very well that a child who has no one , only her , could definitely need a daddy like Manav ( in her eyes Manv has the making of the best daddy in the world ) ..That is why she always made her daughter love him so that one day when he comes back ...he would become part of Purvi's life ..
Of course Purvi should be given credit and even more to Manav ..It is not easy to do what he did .He was not even there when the adoption took place but his heart always melts when Purvi is there .Manav and Purvi scenes are just beautiful ...

This is the only place where I beg to differ ...
I blame Manav first for the hatred that is there in his daughter's heart and then Savita ..I hold him responsible and the  reason is because I feel he got selfish ...his own hate for Archana was stronger  than his daughters wellfare ...
How could he not remember one single good thing by Archana .. She was the one who was with him in his time of need ...when even his own mother threw him out of the house and he slept on the streets with his new bride ...
How could he not find one single good about Archana any more ...and so quickly believed the worst of her ...

No matter what his problems , he should not have taught his children ( Teju's words ) to hate their mother and even  worse , allow them to get close to another woman enough for them to want her as their mother and not the mother who gave them life ...
The kids were in Manav's care , this happened in his supervision ..
 
This is one thing of Manav that is the worst he has eevr done to Archana ...
I agree with Jai that both Manav and Archana have hurt each other ...but making kids hate the parents is something  that only Manav has done and that is the worse thing anyone could have even done to Archana ...
This is the reason why I say now that he does not really love her or else he would have never done this to her ...
In my eyes , there is no excuse for what he has done here ..For this he will have to face some sort of a very severe punishment in life ...or else it will not be fair  , he should not get her back 

 

Tanyas, 
 The difference that you mentioned about Archana saying good things about Manav to Purvi and Manav not doing the same for Ovi and Teju, as I see it, there is a very big difference in the situations both were in. Manav was angry with Archana, Archana wasn't angry with Manav. That is a very big difference in my opinion and when a person is angry with the other, and is devastated at the thought that she left him, you cannot expect him to be reasonable. That is what has happened. 
  The main culprit here is Savita. She has told so much lies about Archana and brainwashed him so much and she has done it over and over again for several years that she has completely transformed him into an another human being. Manav isn't the same person now. (I see the glimpse of the real Manav only during his interactions with Purvi, not even with his interactions with Ovi or Teju. He might love them, but they remind him of Archana, who he thinks has played havoc in his life).  If Savita managed to do this to a grown man, imagine what has she done to Ovi and Teju!
  Manav's mistake is to believe his mother. Manav's mistake is to let him be controlled by his mother. Manav's mistake is to not think about how could Archana do such a thing to him. Manav's mistake is not putting an effort to try and find out what could be the real truth. When the man is not himself, what could he ever have done?  More over he was so far away in Canada removed from Archana that there was no way their paths could have crossed to have an opportunity for any discussion and reconciliation. That opportunity has come now and I hope it turns out positive. 18 yrs of hatred that was nurtured in his head by Savita is not something easy to be removed. As I mentioned earlier it is a small mis-understanding that could easily be solved, when he comes to know that Archana was actually given the Divorce papers instead of Air-tickets and she had infact come running after him till the airport and also when he knows that even this time, it is not Archana who sent the divorce papers and still agreeing to go along for Sachin's sake. 
  Archana has also done mistake of believing Ajit and her mother over Manav during the Satyanaraya Swamy pooja after their 1st marriage. Couldn't she think how could a person like Manav who saved her baba from suicide could do such a thing? Archana has always been the sacrificing person but there is a limit to it and distributing children is a big NO, however heart-broken your own sister is. It is simply not right for the child. She doesn't know the limits of sacrifice but when your sane husband has put his foot down and said NO, then she should agree to it. No arguments there whatsoever from her. Archana's mistake that she did not try to contact for 18 long years, I simply cannot hold it against her because Savita successfully managed to make her feel the guilty party and sentenced her for the crime she foolishly committed, moreover Savita had other intentions. For Savita giving Soham over to Varsha must not have been that big an issue, even that was goaded over by Savita. I wonder if  she ever cared about such things. Earlier she did the same by snatching Sachin from Shravani, That was very bad too.

So, the culprits here are Sulochana initially and Savita through-out (except briefly when she had turned positive in-between). Sulochana wanted the best for her daughter, but Savita just wanted to destroy both their lives.
  There is nothing drastically wrong between Manav-Archana and they should resolve their differences and get back together. More so, when they have so much love between them. Manav is incomplete without Archana and so is she.

And about Shravani, that again is Savita's doing to the innocent girls. I want to know how many times has Sachin really talked to Shravani in this 18 long years! I don't think Shravani was in the girl's life for 18 years. They might know about her and that's about that. I wonder if Shravani is aware of any of these things. If CVs want  to create more drama, they can bring in Shravani again now using Savita and making her fall into Savita's trap once again, but I don't think Shravani was in the picture this long.


Originally posted by Tanyaz


Most of the time  manav is screaming and shouting but somehow  he does manage to show his frustration more than his anger ...as if somewhere he knows that there is something  wrong somewhere ...

More than the frustration, I see pain in him. And as I stated in my previous post about Ankita's best scene's, I saw how much she wanted him, she waited patiently for 18 yrs listening to the order that her mother-in-law gave her - not to ever get in touch with him. She totally banished him from her. That is so wrong when they both love each other and are incomplete without each other. Which married couple doesn't have issues? His barking is just a farce. All coming from a solidly brain-washed brain.LOL That is the reason I want them to resolve their issues and know the truth and get back together.

 
Originally posted by Tanyaz

Interesting to read  what  you have written  about the creative team ..there are a few things in the story  I am not happy with .I think the relationship between Manav and Archana has been spoiled beyond repair now ...They have stretched it too much ..Just like the Varsha  Soham thing ...resulting in fall in TRPs this week but definitely the love story of Arjun and Purvi is picking up ...I also want to see now how Arjun will handle Ovi ...

If there were no mistakes and misunderstandings the story wouldn't have survived for 3 long years LOL
Arjun-Purvi's story will totally depend on when Zee decides to end this show, otherwise we have to brace ourselves for a roller-coaster ride OuchLOL

If any other Zee show could have surpassed PR in the TRP race, or TRP of PR dipped lowest than any other show, then Zee could have ended this one, but poor Zee and poor PR, they have to run this show for Zee's survival than their own! Ouch

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Edit: [Since no one else has replied, let me add 1 more thing. (I think it is obvious from what I have already written, but let me make it more obvious)]:

"The kids were in Manav's care , this happened in his supervision .."

"all happened in his supervision" - I would totally nullify that statement. When the man is not himself, "his supervision" does not exist.
He was a walking dead man, heart lost out to his Archana, brain in the control of his mother. (Yes, it was his mistake to let that happen to him.). He tried to be as human as possible for his children. He tried his best to provide everything for his family, while he himself was burning-out inside. He showered them with expensive stuff even before they could ever ask and as a human tried to provide love and care for his children, but other than that there was nothing. He was a great businessman but a failed person. One could see his helplessness with DK. Whenever he was with DK, initially he always spewed venom against Archana but DK always caught that farce and showed him what he had lost. There was nothing that was under "his supervision".
This is what Savita achieved - a breathing dead-man, she snuffed out all his happiness. Too bad and Shame on her that she does not recognize what she has done to her own child. 

Damodar and Vandita knew the fact but I wouldn't even count on them because these are 2 spineless and powerless people, they couldn't have achieved anything. 

Anyway, I am fine with the story that has shaped-up till now, would wait and watch what more twists and turns there are to it.Big smile



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Originally posted by bee5

Thank you Jai and Tanyaz,
Tanyaz, you are such a sweet person.Tongue If I were anywhere near you, I would pull both of your cheeks for being so sweet and innocent. Big smile

Okay, now on to the serious things - 
 
 
I would have pulled yours  too ...LOLHug


The most important part that I forgot to mention was that even that boy did not wanted leave his foster father and go to his real family. That is the amount of love and care he got from his foster father.
 
This is really a very touching story .I hope this boy always takes really good care of his daddy ...


Tanyas, 
 The difference that you mentioned about Archana saying good things about Manav to Purvi and Manav not doing the same for Ovi and Teju, as I see it, there is a very big difference in the situations both were in. Manav was angry with Archana, Archana wasn't angry with Manav. That is a very big difference in my opinion and when a person is angry with the other, and is devastated at the thought that she left him, you cannot expect him to be reasonable. That is what has happened. 
  The main culprit here is Savita. She has told so much lies about Archana and brainwashed him so much and she has done it over and over again for several years that she has completely transformed him into an another human being. Manav isn't the same person now. (I see the glimpse of the real Manav only during his interactions with Purvi, not even with his interactions with Ovi or Teju. He might love them, but they remind him of Archana, who he thinks has played havoc in his life).  If Savita managed to do this to a grown man, imagine what has she done to Ovi and Teju!
  Manav's mistake is to believe his mother. Manav's mistake is to let him be controlled by his mother. Manav's mistake is to not think about how could Archana do such a thing to him. Manav's mistake is not putting an effort to try and find out what could be the real truth. When the man is not himself, what could he ever have done?  More over he was so far away in Canada removed from Archana that there was no way their paths could have crossed to have an opportunity for any discussion and reconciliation. That opportunity has come now and I hope it turns out positive. 18 yrs of hatred that was nurtured in his head by Savita is not something easy to be removed. As I mentioned earlier it is a small mis-understanding that could easily be solved, when he comes to know that Archana was actually given the Divorce papers instead of Air-tickets and she had infact come running after him till the airport and also when he knows that even this time, it is not Archana who sent the divorce papers and still agreeing to go along for Sachin's sake. 
  Archana has also done mistake of believing Ajit and her mother over Manav during the Satyanaraya Swamy pooja after their 1st marriage. Couldn't she think how could a person like Manav who saved her baba from suicide could do such a thing? Archana has always been the sacrificing person but there is a limit to it and distributing children is a big NO, however heart-broken your own sister is. It is simply not right for the child. She doesn't know the limits of sacrifice but when your sane husband has put his foot down and said NO, then she should agree to it. No arguments there whatsoever from her. Archana's mistake that she did not try to contact for 18 long years, I simply cannot hold it against her because Savita successfully managed to make her feel the guilty party and sentenced her for the crime she foolishly committed, moreover Savita had other intentions. For Savita giving Soham over to Varsha must not have been that big an issue, even that was goaded over by Savita. I wonder if  she ever cared about such things. Earlier she did the same by snatching Sachin from Shravani, That was very bad too.

So, the culprits here are Sulochana initially and Savita through-out (except briefly when she had turned positive in-between). Sulochana wanted the best for her daughter, but Savita just wanted to destroy both their lives.
  There is nothing drastically wrong between Manav-Archana and they should resolve their differences and get back together. More so, when they have so much love between them. Manav is incomplete without Archana and so is she.

And about Shravani, that again is Savita's doing to the innocent girls. I want to know how many times has Sachin really talked to Shravani in this 18 long years! I don't think Shravani was in the girl's life for 18 years. They might know about her and that's about that. I wonder if Shravani is aware of any of these things. If CVs want  to create more drama, they can bring in Shravani again now using Savita and making her fall into Savita's trap once again, but I don't think Shravani was in the picture this long.
 
About Shravani, we don't know Bee. We will have to wait and watch ...
Sachin's words to Archana were ..' for the last 18 years , my mother is dying to get baba's love  and she has not smiled because he does not love her back ' .Now this is a strong statement ..If Sachin is right , then it means that Shravani is stil lin love with Manav and desperately wants him back ...
 
 why is she thinking like this ..She was never a bad or a mean person ...someone must have given her hope that stil lshe  has a chance with Manav ..She would not trust svita  alone after  what she went through with Savita ...
 
Maybe Manav , unconsciously led her again to believe that there could be chance that she would be part of his family ..Maybe he didn't mean it bu t by keeping her as a part of his daughters life , this was the indirect message he was giving her ...
 
Even Sachin firmly believes this that Manav and Shravani will be happy together after Archana leaves ...He is also a sensible mature fellow ..He cannot just believe this if he had not seen anything himself ...
 
Other than this , I agree with all the rest ..

Very well explained Bee...
I agree , his biggest mistake is to trust his mother .Bee , I wonder what  his reaction will be like when he finds out the truth .The man will be devastated ..I mean he trusted his mother so much ..From the age of 15 he has been working to give his mother and her children a good life , he eevn took responsibility of Sachin  ...and look what she did to him   and to his family ...

 
[If there were no mistakes and misunderstandings the story wouldn't have survived for 3 long years LOL
Arjun-Purvi's story will totally depend on when Zee decides to end this show, otherwise we have to brace ourselves for a roller-coaster ride OuchLOL

If any other Zee show could have surpassed PR in the TRP race, or TRP of PR dipped lowest than any other show, then Zee could have ended this one, but poor Zee and poor PR, they have to run this show for Zee's survival than their own! Ouch
 
Very true .This show needs conflicts and misunderstandings to survive ...I bet after this savita issue is resolved , we will see varsha and Soham coming back ...
Chalo ...let's see how things go from here ...Bee , I had a lovely time interacting with you and all your arguments  are very right  and some are bang on correct ...specially about Manav ...
 




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all happened in his supervision" - I would totally nullify that statement. When the man is not himself, "his supervision" does not exist.
He was a walking dead man, heart lost out to his Archana, brain in the control of his mother. (Yes, it was his mistake to let that happen to him.). He tried to be as human as possible for his children. He tried his best to provide everything for his family, while he himself was burning-out inside. He showered them with expensive stuff even before they could ever ask and as a human tried to provide love and care for his children, but other than that there was nothing. He was a great businessman but a failed person. One could see his helplessness with DK. Whenever he was with DK, initially he always spewed venom against Archana but DK always caught that farce and showed him what he had lost. There was nothing that was under "his supervision".
This is what Savita achieved - a breathing dead-man, she snuffed out all his happiness. Too bad and Shame on her that she does not recognize what she has done to her own child. 

Damodar and Vandita knew the fact but I wouldn't even count on them because these are 2 spineless and powerless people, they couldn't have achieved anything. 

Anyway, I am fine with the story that has shaped-up till now, would wait and watch what more twists and turns there are to it.Big smile
 
I agree with you that savita likes Manav best as a walking Zombie ...
She said that herself that she wants full control on his money , his children and even  his emotions ...
 
She does not want  him to think , or love or do anything that would make him do something  from his own heart and will ...
For her , Manav is a money making machine ...
 
There is nothing   Manav would not do to make his mother happy ...he trusts her , he is ready to live  like a zombie and this is the very reason why I think he has allowed Shraavni to be a part of his children's life ...not for himself  ( Archana is the only woman he feels attracted to , that is for sure ) but for his mother's happiness he has again allowed Shravani to come in his home and in his children's heart ..
 
This is what Savita wanted and he gave this to her again ...
He brought Shravani between him and his wife before...for Savita ...
 
I think he has done this again ...yet again for Savita ...
 
The story is good but I have a problem with Archana always talking about Manav as the perfect human being ...I would  prefer that she would not like him so much for one reason and that is that her daughters were taught to hate her ...
 
I don't want her to disrespect him ...he is the father of her children and even Purvi loves him so much ...
 
I agree with you that the only time we see the glimpse of the old , kind and thoughtful Manav is when he is with Purvi ...That was a very good observation ...That is when he is the Manav I used to adore so much ...Purvi brings out the best in him ...


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@Bee : You said: 
The difference that you mentioned about Archana saying good things about Manav to Purvi and Manav not doing the same for Ovi and Teju, as I see it, there is a very big difference in the situations both were in. Manav was angry with Archana, Archana wasn't angry with Manav. That is a very big difference in my opinion and when a person is angry with the other, and is devastated at the thought that she left him, you cannot expect him to be reasonable. That is what has happened. 
  The main culprit here is Savita. She has told so much lies about Archana and brainwashed him so much and she has done it over and over again for several years that she has completely transformed him into an another human being. Manav isn't the same person now. (I see the glimpse of the real Manav only during his interactions with Purvi, not even with his interactions with Ovi or Teju. He might love them, but they remind him of Archana, who he thinks has played havoc in his life).  If Savita managed to do this to a grown man, imagine what has she done to Ovi and Teju!

Hi Bee i hope you don't mind my jumping in for a comment.  i have been reading your dialogue with Tanya and wanted to say something about what you said above..about the difference between Archu and Manav's situations re: what they told their children. 
I disagree and think differently about their behaviour.  First of all, why wasn't Archana mad...she certainly should have been ! I know , it's not much in her nature (or the CVS' script) for her to be angry, but she actually should have been mad that Manav sent divorce papers, (of course it was Savita) that he took the girls from her with such rude and angry messages...from him not Savita who also sent her own bad message.  
But that aside - in any separation or divorce, (and there usually is some anger on both sides) to be a responsible parent means you ALWAYS, and i mean always must teach the child to love the parent, to respect the parent because he/she IS the parent, regardless of their actions. You don't have to teach or expect the child to love what the parent did or didn't do, but frankly, Manav really really failed as a parent in this.  Anger or no anger has nothing to do with it. If you love your child, you will do what Archana did, NOT what Manav did. HIs behaviour was totally selfish.

And yes, i know, Savita has made such a tragic mess of her family because she is fearful, selfish and controlling.  But, i have to agree with Tanya on this as well...Manav was/is Archana's husband. He was supposed to know her better than anyone. He KNOWS she is not like Savita portrays her. For crying out loud, DK knows her better than Manav.  No excuses imo LOL He is just as responsible, maybe more so, than Savita -- zombie or not.  Like every human being, he had an opportunity to sort out truth from lies. We have that choice in all areas of life.  He failed miserably on that score, and i like Manav a lot. I am not at all a Manav hater!  i want them to be together, but at some point he has to take responsibility for his actions, and so of course does Archana.  She failed in other areas. but i just had to jump in and say something. LOL sorry !

I like that you have posted a lot of your thoughts...about this silly serial..  You would think these characters are real people...I find myself thinking about them just like i do my friends and family... D'ohwe're the goofy ones i guess, not them.Silly Wink



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Originally posted by Tanyaz

I agree with you that savita likes Manav best as a walking Zombie ...
She said that herself that she wants full control on his money , his children and even  his emotions ...
 
She does not want  him to think , or love or do anything that would make him do something  from his own heart and will ...
For her , Manav is a money making machine ...
 

@bold: What a horrenduos thing to say about own child!Shocked


Originally posted by Tanyaz


 
About Shravani, we don't know Bee. We will have to wait and watch ...
Sachin's words to Archana were ..' for the last 18 years , my mother is dying to get baba's love  and she has not smiled because he does not love her back ' .Now this is a strong statement ..If Sachin is right , then it means that Shravani is stil lin love with Manav and desperately wants him back ...
 
 why is she thinking like this ..She was never a bad or a mean person ...someone must have given her hope that stil lshe  has a chance with Manav ..She would not trust svita  alone after  what she went through with Savita ...
 
Maybe Manav , unconsciously led her again to believe that there could be chance that she would be part of his family ..Maybe he didn't mean it bu t by keeping her as a part of his daughters life , this was the indirect message he was giving her ...
 
Even Sachin firmly believes this that Manav and Shravani will be happy together after Archana leaves ...He is also a sensible mature fellow ..He cannot just believe this if he had not seen anything himself ...
 

This again is Savita's doing.
Savita is a person who knows how to play her games. She will tell about a person to the other when that 1st person is not present. Like for e.g she will paint a pitiful story about Sharavni longing for Manav to Sachin when Shravani and Manav both are not present. She will tell evil things about Archana to all the 3 children when Archana or Manav is not present. So, when the other person is not there to either justify or defend that point, wouldn't the person hearing Savita believe what she says unless they use their own brains? And here we are talking about Savita doing that for 18 yrs.

When Sachin was a kid, she would tell "If you now ask for ice-cream, Archana will not give you. She is a bad person. Watch it out for yourself." Saying this, she would make Sachin ask Archana for ice-cream and for a genuine reason if Archana denied it, later Savita would say - "Didn't I tell you she will deny, she simply doesn't love you." This is how she has played with innocent minds.

Have you noticed whenever Sachin has told Archana why he wants her to divorce Manav so that Shravani can get him (atleast now), Manav is never present?

When Teju asks Manav to call Shravani and accept marriage to her, Manav doesn't say a word regarding that matter. All he does is talking about Archana and not Shravani. He explains why he is forced to live with Archana and nothing else?

She might have told the 3 kids that because of the evil Archana, Shravani, the good person, couldn't marry Manav and Shravani might not even be aware of any of these things? In all these we have no idea of Shravani's stand-point and hopefully CVs do show it. 

Everyone Archana, Manav, Sachin, Ovi, Teju everyone is a victim of Savita's viscous actions IMO. If anyone is not, then it is Damodar. There is no effect of Savita on him and hence she hates him so much and since Damodar doesn't use any of that information against her, she is saved and is carrying on the act for so many years.


Originally posted by Tanyaz

Chalo ...let's see how things go from here ...Bee , I had a lovely time interacting with you and all your arguments  are very right  and some are bang on correct ...specially about Manav ...
 



It was a pleasure discussing PR with you, Tanyaz. This was my 1st time having a back-n-forth discussion on this forum and it was easy for me because you stuck to the points rather than get personal. Thank you.

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I like that you have posted a lot of your thoughts...about this silly serial..  You would think these characters are real people...I find myself thinking about them just like i do my friends and family... D'ohwe're the goofy ones i guess, not them.Silly Wink
Naava dear, Glad! finally I found a person who thinks like me.Big smile 

Yet, about my presence here, let me just say I am here for the same reason you are here for, knowing fully well that it is a waste of time discussing afterall a "silly" serial. That is the reason I am not much in attendance here day-in day-out.
What happens is, once you come in and write, then it keeps continuing due to next point, and then next, then reply to that point, explanation to that point and more clarification  etc etc and that is what has happened. So once you get in, you as well finish everything and be done with it.Tongue

Originally posted by naava

@Bee : You said: 
The difference that you mentioned about Archana saying good things about Manav to Purvi and Manav not doing the same for Ovi and Teju, as I see it, there is a very big difference in the situations both were in. Manav was angry with Archana, Archana wasn't angry with Manav. That is a very big difference in my opinion and when a person is angry with the other, and is devastated at the thought that she left him, you cannot expect him to be reasonable. That is what has happened. 
  The main culprit here is Savita. She has told so much lies about Archana and brainwashed him so much and she has done it over and over again for several years that she has completely transformed him into an another human being. Manav isn't the same person now. (I see the glimpse of the real Manav only during his interactions with Purvi, not even with his interactions with Ovi or Teju. He might love them, but they remind him of Archana, who he thinks has played havoc in his life).  If Savita managed to do this to a grown man, imagine what has she done to Ovi and Teju!

Hi Bee i hope you don't mind my jumping in for a comment.  i have been reading your dialogue with Tanya and wanted to say something about what you said above..about the difference between Archu and Manav's situations re: what they told their children. 
I disagree and think differently about their behaviour.  First of all, why wasn't Archana mad...she certainly should have been ! I know , it's not much in her nature (or the CVS' script) for her to be angry, but she actually should have been mad that Manav sent divorce papers, (of course it was Savita) that he took the girls from her with such rude and angry messages...from him not Savita who also sent her own bad message.  
But that aside - in any separation or divorce, (and there usually is some anger on both sides) to be a responsible parent means you ALWAYS, and i mean always must teach the child to love the parent, to respect the parent because he/she IS the parent, regardless of their actions. You don't have to teach or expect the child to love what the parent did or didn't do, but frankly, Manav really really failed as a parent in this.  Anger or no anger has nothing to do with it. If you love your child, you will do what Archana did, NOT what Manav did. HIs behaviour was totally selfish.

And yes, i know, Savita has made such a tragic mess of her family because she is fearful, selfish and controlling.  But, i have to agree with Tanya on this as well...Manav was/is Archana's husband. He was supposed to know her better than anyone. He KNOWS she is not like Savita portrays her. For crying out loud, DK knows her better than Manav.  No excuses imo LOL He is just as responsible, maybe more so, than Savita -- zombie or not.  Like every human being, he had an opportunity to sort out truth from lies. We have that choice in all areas of life.  He failed miserably on that score, and i like Manav a lot. I am not at all a Manav hater!  i want them to be together, but at some point he has to take responsibility for his actions, and so of course does Archana.  She failed in other areas. but i just had to jump in and say something. LOL sorry !


Okay, looks like I am in serious trouble of getting slotted into a category where I justify Manav's actions of Manav's bad parenting. 
So, let me state that when I put my points far a point, that does not necessarily mean I condone those very actions. 

What should have been done, could have been done is different from what might have happened and what i have written is a probable cause of why it did not happen (good parenting). Apart from that neither me nor you have been shown what really had happened in the past 18 yrs.

What you have written about good parenting is to be expected from a normal person, not from a battered person, battered of Savita's actions for the past 18+ yrs and continuously; Especially when there are no positive counter actions to that battering. If one does expect then it is a tad unreasonable in my opinion, more so from a man who is not himself and who doesn't care if his life went to dogs. For a good parenting to flourish one of the important items is favorable-environment and Manav's house in Canada with Savita around was anything but that. 

In spite of such battering if one did provide good parenting, then more power to them. Since Manav didnot, that explains why we see him as a failed person. All we can do is understand that. The damage has been done, what remains to be done is rectify that and we have to wait and watch for that part. As the other part of the parent and that too to be the good one, hopefully Archana takes charge and rectifies that in her daughters because whether they respect her as a mother or not, the aim should 1st be to make them good human beings.

With that I rest my case.Sleepy

Naava, to my luck you came at the end of the discussion when I have said everything I had to, so, I will not be coming back to write a reply whether I agreed or not. If I had simply ignored your post without a reply it would have looked rude. I think everyone gets into a stage where they feel the urge to write and this was my turn and after having spent a Saturday and partial Sunday, I am done with my quota.LOL Take Care.Big smile



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