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Sushpective: Amazing Performances!!! (Page 3)

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Posted: 03 April 2012 at 7:07pm | IP Logged
Hugs all... Hug The good feelings from yesterday seem very much in evidence, only at an elevated pitch. Always great to walk into a party! Dancing


How many different ways can you say W*F-ery? Too many to count... so I decided to take Sari's 
and Sush's advice from yesterday's epi discussion and abandon rationality and accept it's silly 
season... Silly


Instead, let's try this. At the heart of it, what really worked for me? The final confrontation in the green room - it was true to how I see Khushi and Arnav. Whether that moves the story forward 
or not, I can't say. Based on the evidence of the Holi confession probably not. But at least what 
it reveals of their characters is the reason for me to keep watching. That Sanaya and Barun 
executed the scene flawlessly, certainly helped make it memorable. 


Yet again as with the Holi confession, we see a Khushi who is emotionally fearless taking the bull by the horns, confronting her tortured and complex pati. She backs him down (as only she can!) to stand his ground and give her some answers. With his back against the wall, true to his nature he reveals yet again that he is an emotional coward. The truth of his feelings is only revealed under duress/extreme conditions (whether by intoxication of bhaang or emotional blackmail by a beloved nani to be part of the playact). Yet when he commits to the role, however reluctantly, he comes tantalizingly close to spilling his guts. When the external pressure eases, he scurries back and hides behind his bitter, emotionally closed persona all too easily. Khushi is angry, unhappy and hurt and she lets him off the hook but both pati and patni know he is in full cowardly flight. 


The scene, no matter how stupid the contrivances before it, felt honest and I connected with it 
big time. It leads me to expect that Arnav's confession will not come unless it's virtually a matter of life and death - Khushi's. We've seen how emotional Arnav gets when his Di talks of her mortality. At some point, we'll see that happen with Khushi. They've already set us up for that with the OTT ambulance scene which felt a bit false at that point. I figure When it does happen for real, it'll be an outpouring. For all the times he's bottled this up and denied his feelings, Arnav's closely guarded emotional dam will burst in spectacular fashion. 


So, what's my final analysis? The creators know Khushi and Arnav - warts and all. That these are layered characters is what keeps it interesting. We've seen from the start that Arnav is complex 
but now we're starting to see a lot more nuance to Khushi as well. When the show delivers the 
emotional core of these two honestly, it resonates big time and keeps me coming back for more. But the creators struggle with how to situate that emotional core, how to package it and I mean that both literally in terms of wardrobe (although Arnav Raanjha cut a fine figure today!) and in 
story/screenplay terms. I figure the key to my staying the course with the story, is to try to discard /ignore the trappings and focus on the character sketches. The show doesn't make that easy --- I'm bludgeoned with crappy and repetitive contrivances and the glacial pace can be frustrating as hell. But all told, armed with my new insight, this was a good episode. Smile The final scene packed a punch and the wallop was worth the nonsense that preceded it!


Tailpiece- Neat execution: Khushi who's a braveheart needs the words and Arnav who believes in evidence won't trust his instincts! Perhaps they should listen more closely to themselves. 
K: Jisko jee jaan say chahte hain, jab usey nazaron kay saamney paatey hain toh aankhein bolti hain, zubaan nahin. Yeh hum jaante hain, yeh aap jaante hain, aise mein sawaal wahi karte hain 
jinhe pyaar kya hai iski hawa tak nahin. 
A: Stop believing everything you see. 


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Posted: 03 April 2012 at 7:08pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by premparbat

Originally posted by -Sush-

Originally posted by jamba111

Originally posted by --Sari--


"Jab jo bura kaha, uska koi matlab nahin. Jab jo bura kiya uska koi matlab nahin..." 

Beautiful words but they could have saved these lines for another day? When he confessed as ASR not as Ranjha! Does this even mean a thing?



Sari - my thoughts exactly! Perfectly chosen words...used in haste! Confused 
 
Arnie will never confess without a guard Sari...That is not him...Thats the way he is...When that happens...that will be the end of Arnie's charcter  as we know him...
Sari , Jamba
 
  But the fact is  taht he KNOWS that he bahves badly and says mean things. I am glad he acknowledged it to her unlike the las time when he said it to La unknowlingly.  He has more to go coz when he gets to know the truth about teh MU.  I hope the cvs dont short change u sthere.  I need to see some good repentance there.

I think theres still a lot of layers to this man. Right now he still beleives what his eyes have seen! He sees things as black and white and this grey area that is the matter of his heart has him confused. I am waiting for the revelation that will be the defining moment of Arnav Singh Raizada in my opinion. 

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Posted: 03 April 2012 at 7:13pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by --Sari--

Originally posted by -Sush-

Originally posted by jamba111

Originally posted by --Sari--


"Jab jo bura kaha, uska koi matlab nahin. Jab jo bura kiya uska koi matlab nahin..." 

Beautiful words but they could have saved these lines for another day? When he confessed as ASR not as Ranjha! Does this even mean a thing?



Sari - my thoughts exactly! Perfectly chosen words...used in haste! Confused 
 
Arnie will never confess without a guard Sari...That is not him...Thats the way he is...When that happens...that will be the end of Arnie's charcter  as we know him...


Never say never Sush...Wink
  • We thought we would never see him in Sherwani/patani?
  • Did we ever imagine him as Ranjha or in the teri meri dance?
  • Did we ever think he would run behind the ambulance?
  • Ever think he would watch her wearing bangles?
The mushy Arnav comes out of his hiding...It's rare but he is there somewhere...Embarrassed

 
 
Point taken Sari...Yes, one should never say never...But what I mean is this...
 
Remember the 4th promo? Arnie agonizing over not confessing IS a main part of this story...That is woven in his cgaracter...and yes...episodes may some and go...and mushy Arnie may come and go...but what I mean is really owning up to his feelings for her ...That kind of confession...
Not under the influence of Bhang or
Not running after an ambulance when no one was there to watch him...
Not being a part of a show...
 
None of that...The real confession...when all gurads are down...There is no pretense...and that is the way it is ...
 
That will come a lot later in the show...
 
 


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Posted: 03 April 2012 at 7:13pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by --Sari--

Originally posted by -Sush-

Originally posted by jamba111

Originally posted by --Sari--


"Jab jo bura kaha, uska koi matlab nahin. Jab jo bura kiya uska koi matlab nahin..." 

Beautiful words but they could have saved these lines for another day? When he confessed as ASR not as Ranjha! Does this even mean a thing?



Sari - my thoughts exactly! Perfectly chosen words...used in haste! Confused 
 
Arnie will never confess without a guard Sari...That is not him...Thats the way he is...When that happens...that will be the end of Arnie's charcter  as we know him...


Never say never Sush...Wink
  • We thought we would never see him in Sherwani/patani?
  • Did we ever imagine him as Ranjha or in the teri meri dance?
  • Did we ever think he would run behind the ambulance?
  • Ever think he would watch her wearing bangles?
The mushy Arnav comes out of his hiding...It's rare but he is there somewhere...Embarrassed

 

So true Sari! Behind that facade there is a very very very innocent and caring heart! Getting to it though is like finding water in the desert!


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Posted: 03 April 2012 at 7:14pm | IP Logged
Hiya Sush Hug

Nice episode...I skipped the first few minutes and went on to the main part.

Today I noticed Arnav more than Khushi...his expressions when she was saying her lines...affected by it all as if they were Khushi's words, not Heer's.
Later his soliloquy was fantastic...it wasn't Ranjha!!! This was Arnav pouring out his heart like never before...and this time thank heavens Khushi caught on!! She did not question why he said all that...because now she knows and now it is up to her to prod him more and more...enough of the denials and excuses.

I loved the dressing room confrontation too...the way she takes her earring gently from his hand, telling him silently she knows, even though he's hiding his emotions, by hiding that earring.

Sadly, with this stupid MU hanging unresolved, the only way he will openly admit, without denying it later is when she's either dying or gone from his life D'oh

I want this MU gone!!! I'm at my wit's end now...no more patience left for anymore trust building and slowly and surely!!!





@ Sari: Loved your post and fully agree with it Thumbs Up
 


Edited by sbk2 - 03 April 2012 at 7:21pm

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Posted: 03 April 2012 at 7:29pm | IP Logged
@Sari
  • We thought we would never see him in Sherwani/patani?
  • Did we ever imagine him as Ranjha or in the teri meri dance?
  • Did we ever think he would run behind the ambulance?
  • Ever think he would watch her wearing bangles?

Thsi was one of my wishes BUT really this does not count coz I could not see him full length.  Not fair at all.

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Posted: 03 April 2012 at 7:31pm | IP Logged
 So a couple of additional thoughts: 

1. Arnav has a Khushi jewelry fetish, but what's with the obsession with her jhumkas? 
2. No good ever comes of precaps - either they reveal too much and spoil the epi, or they're edited to give the wrong impression like the Friday precap. Yes, Arnav was a big fat meanie on Monday's epi, but the creative team handled that rather deftly. Today's precap may see a similar fate. For some reason it seems to have created uthal puthal on the forum. 

The term dhokebaaz is loaded. Given that Khushi seems to use it to describe her pati it seems logical to expect that he'll blow a fuse when he thinks it's galling that the ultimate dhokebaaz trying to ruin his Di's life is leveling that charge at him. See, this is why precaps are dangerous. Wink . The show may take us on entirely different path altogether. 

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Posted: 03 April 2012 at 7:34pm | IP Logged
sush so you changed the profile name Big smile
me to loved the epi  a  continuation of the epi which was basically to air the promo for upcoming SP show (monday) turned out to be IPK trade mark romantic epi on Tuesday.  
Indeed a well done by whole team for concept to acting to final editing Clap

haha agree i loved it when he said i just do not know anything please give clue and you take it further,  his ego did not come in the middle will this really happen sometime in future how i wish Day Dreaming

also agree that farq padtha hai was give away LOL

she just wants once oral confirmation.  is it too much to ask for looks like Cry

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