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Posted: 29 March 2012 at 10:02am | IP Logged
Great thread Varaali! It's been awhile since I was back in this forum.
 
In answer to Vrish's question...was the warrior who killed Abhimanyu (after he was basically mutilated by all those other kauravas) Dushashan's son? I don't know his name, but it was either him or Lakshmankumar, Duryodhan's son, I think.

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Posted: 29 March 2012 at 12:26pm | IP Logged
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Welcome here.  It was indeed Dushashan's son.  His name was Shrutakarna.

Actually, after Abhimanyu's other weapons and chariot were all destroyed, he picked up a mace that was lying around and fought Shrutakarna, and this was just a duel b/w them.  Both of them fell unconscious during the fight, but Shrutakarna was the first to recover.  He brought his mace down on Abhimanyu's head killing him b4 the latter could recover.

Lakshmana was killed by Abhimanyu earlier in battle, which was what enraged Duryodhan and got him to demand that Abhimanyu be killed no matter how.  Drona then came up w/ the idea of surrounding him and attacking.  Karna broke his bow from behind, Drona killed his charioteer Sumitra, and other warriors destroyed his chariot and his other weapons, like sword & shield.

After killing Lakshmana, the last warrior Abhimanyu killed was Brihadbala, the ruler of Ayodhya and descendent of Kush.

As for Shrutakarna, he was later killed by Bhima, but I'd have to find out which day he was slain.

Anyway, congratulations.  Next question is yours.

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Posted: 29 March 2012 at 12:45pm | IP Logged
Thanks Vrish!
 
If this is the version that is found in Vyasa's MB, then which version has that all the warriors killed Abhimanyu together? It can't be a story that one person has made up, because many shows and movies use this version of the story...is it from SB by any chance?
 
My question: What was the first vyuha in which Dronacharya arranged the army when he became commander-in-chief?

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Posted: 29 March 2012 at 12:54pm | IP Logged
I don't know this answer, and in any case, I'd like others to try it, so that it's interesting.  So for now at least, I'll pass.

To your question, I think a lot of people did a partial reading of the story, and then showed him getting killed by everyone who surrounded him.  BRC, for instance, showed Karna putting his sword thru him, and Shakuni then stabbing him, but that's not what happened.  I haven't seen how RS SK showed it - I tend to avoid Abhimanyu vadh scenes, since he's one of my favorite characters Cry  

I'm not aware on whether SB describes his killing - in fact, there is a great deal that SB misses about Krishna's Mahabharata activities.  As an example, the only place Satyaki is mentioned, IIRC, is the Yadava fratricide.  The Mahabharata describes in detail the relationship b/w Satyaki's grandfather Sini and Somadatta and how the former defeated the latter and prevented him from marrying Devaki.  But there is nothing in SB about it.

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Posted: 29 March 2012 at 1:00pm | IP Logged
I think SB is more about Krishna himself than Mahabharata, so it focuses more on Krishna's story during his early years and then in Dwaraka.
 
Oh, RSK's Abhimanyu death was the most gruesome one I ever saw by far!Dead It did show all six warriors killing him at once, before Karna finished the deed in the end by driving a sword through him...or maybe it was Duryodhan, I don't remember, but there's this one telugu movie called Daana Veera Soora Karna that is Karna-centered, and it showed Karna killing him upon Duryodhan's orders. I guess people have their own perception of the death, or want to show it as gruesome as possible to show the Kauravas in a worse light.
 
But if Abhimanyu's death wasn't unjust and it was one warrior to on warrior as per war ethics, then why was Arjun so infuriated upon hearing it, and made a vow to destroy Jayadrath and all the Kauravas for their unethical fighting?

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Oh, it was unjust all right - first of all, Jayadrath cut off all his allies so that Abhimanyu was trapped alone in that vyuha.  And then, the way he was disarmed was completely against the rules.  Had Shrutakarna not killed him while he was unconscious, they may well have killed him the way it is shown.

Had the Pandavas and the rest of the forces accompanied Abhimanyu, he'd have been safe - warriors like Satyaki & Bhima would have seen to it.  Both of them saved Dhrishtadyumna from Drona and Ashwatthama umpteen number of times, so here too, they'd have prevented Abhimanyu from getting disarmed, much less killed.

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Posted: 29 March 2012 at 7:09pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by .Vrish.

Oh, it was unjust all right - first of all, Jayadrath cut off all his allies so that Abhimanyu was trapped alone in that vyuha.  And then, the way he was disarmed was completely against the rules.  Had Shrutakarna not killed him while he was unconscious, they may well have killed him the way it is shown.

Had the Pandavas and the rest of the forces accompanied Abhimanyu, he'd have been safe - warriors like Satyaki & Bhima would have seen to it.  Both of them saved Dhrishtadyumna from Drona and Ashwatthama umpteen number of times, so here too, they'd have prevented Abhimanyu from getting disarmed, much less killed.


Oh okay, so they did disarm him together...I guess serials and movies take it a notch higher and show them all killing him together. It's a deviation I don't mind actually, because even had they not killed him together, they pretty much made him incapable of defending himself, which is the same.Censored

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Posted: 29 March 2012 at 8:15pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by .Vrish.

I'm not aware on whether SB describes his killing - in fact, there is a great deal that SB misses about Krishna's Mahabharata activities.  As an example, the only place Satyaki is mentioned, IIRC, is the Yadava fratricide.  The Mahabharata describes in detail the relationship b/w Satyaki's grandfather Sini and Somadatta and how the former defeated the latter and prevented him from marrying Devaki.  But there is nothing in SB about it.

In fact Srimad Bhagavatham skips the entire War, since it was written after Vyasa composed Mahabharata. SB records those incidents of Krishna's life which had not been covered in Mahabharata.  Same with Hari Vamsa.




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