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sreevask

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Posted: 11 February 2012 at 3:41am | IP Logged
Its a good start for mohan to check the quality of materials..
There are other factors that lead to such catastrophe..
(1) designs are to b rechecked @ some iit.
(2) construction program(schedule of activities...in relation to whether proper curing has been done or not,prior to placement & next casting of decks...etc)
(3) the form work(supporting structure while casting/placing of slab panels)had bn properly braced or not..
(4) test reports of concrete slabs(whether they meet compressive strength requirements or not)
(5) collapsed samples might reveal whether the steel placed is as per the drawings or not..
(6) bridge piers(columns) must b redesigned for the actual load bearing capacity of the soil
(7) check whether a seismic activity was there on that date from geological survey department..
(8) water logging in the locality might also have affected the load bearing capacity of the soil.
(9) apart from the contractor side the prime accountability lies with the clientside...the in charge of the project on behalf of government should check all these as he/she is responsible for quality of the work...
(10) whether the site engineer's role is there or not...(that will b decided after investigation only) he must b immediately paid the compensation as per the work man's compensation act

Edited by sreevask - 11 February 2012 at 3:53am

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Posted: 11 February 2012 at 6:33am | IP Logged
Originally posted by sreevask

Its a good start for mohan to check the quality of materials..
There are other factors that lead to such catastrophe..
(1) designs are to b rechecked @ some iit.
(2) construction program(schedule of activities...in relation to whether proper curing has been done or not,prior to placement & next casting of decks...etc)
(3) the form work(supporting structure while casting/placing of slab panels)had bn properly braced or not..
(4) test reports of concrete slabs(whether they meet compressive strength requirements or not)
(5) collapsed samples might reveal whether the steel placed is as per the drawings or not..
(6) bridge piers(columns) must b redesigned for the actual load bearing capacity of the soil
(7) check whether a seismic activity was there on that date from geological survey department..
(8) water logging in the locality might also have affected the load bearing capacity of the soil.

(9) apart from the contractor side the prime accountability lies with the clientside...the in charge of the project on behalf of government should check all these as he/she is responsible for quality of the work...
(10) whether the site engineer's role is there or not...(that will b decided after investigation only) he must b immediately paid the compensation as per the work man's compensation act

@Bold: these points should have already been checked, i think, while charge of using low quality material being used in the construction was made. 

In the last episode, he checked the material used in mahananda flyover and also another recent sample from same dinanath's construction work. Only the Flyover material turned out to be bad. Now i think they have to prove that amar didn't not really order or pass the bad quality material. 

I don't know what all responsibilities Amar would have had in his position as the engineer there. 

Is there some way that they can prove that Amar was not involved as mohan got some signed evidences showing that Amar approved or bought those bad quality materials. How can this be proven that amar did not do it? 


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Posted: 11 February 2012 at 9:50am | IP Logged
The story will never b over even if amar Vyas(or deenalal might forgery the signature of amar Vyas)purchased the bad materials...
There will be third party agencies for QC (quality control) & PMC(project management consultant)along with clientside officials who are responsible for the quality of materials as well as the project...   
Hence amar Vyas cd never b the culprit...

Firstly,supply/purchase orders for the materials must b checked as they will b signed jointly by the project incharge,purchase department of the company,&accounts department,any employee cd tell the truth.
At site QA & QC lab incharge is the person directly responsible for the quality of materials...after obtaining the clearance from QUALITY CONTROL department(normally this wd b a third party like IIT/JNTU/NIT/local engineering college which should certify the materials & concrete mix quality.)
After receiving this certificate, the clientside incharge (govt official who is incharge of the project like executive engineer)will give written permission to take up construction work...hence the responsibility lies with (1) QA/QC department & (2) govt official...
Because the contractor side engineer (amar vyas)can never by himself do any alteration for his advantage...
Also for big projects govt appoints third party PMC(PROJECT MANAGEMENT CONSULTANT) who will b directly responsible for the quality of the materials used...
Also megha must b having with her the project diary of Amar Vyas ,which contains the valuable info...
Normally in bridges,the pre-cast slab panels will b cast at a very distant place & there will b an incharge from contractor side,QC lab, & a government official (junior engineer) who will b responsible for the quality output...construction site incharge will receive QC report & construction take-up permission letter from the govt official & then only he will go ahead...
Hence it is not easy to point @ the contractor side project incharge...   hence mohan shd check the puchase orders,QC reports& construction permission letters,...also the bank accounts/other financial/other transactions like purchase of plots/shares of the clientside officials,PMC& their relatives must b checked..in relationship to the role of deenalal in such transactions.
Since deenalal is also a realtor,mohan can check whether he allotted any of his flats/villas to the relatives of the officials...

Edited by sreevask - 11 February 2012 at 10:25am

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Posted: 11 February 2012 at 10:03am | IP Logged
However as long as they can not prove that amar Vyas (or his brother)did actually receive the bribe,the intent of the crime can't b established & hence megha need not hide from the society,Infact she shd come to the public & lead a movement for the quick justice...

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Posted: 11 February 2012 at 10:51am | IP Logged
Originally posted by sreevask

However as long as they can not prove that amar Vyas (or his brother)did actually receive the bribe,the intent of the crime can't b established & hence megha need not hide from the society,Infact she shd come to the public & lead a movement for the quick justice...

But they have some documents with Amar's signature on it proving that he did pass the bad quality material. Then what happens now? 

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Posted: 11 February 2012 at 12:08pm | IP Logged
The evidence they r producing cd at the best b a purchase order only,but never the quality certification as that wd b done & by QC department,which in turn ratified by PMC & permitted by government officials...
That's why whenever such mishap occurs ,its the government officials are suspended & a stern action wd b taken on them..
Here only a private employee working @ deenalal can never b held responsible...prior to investigation..

Amar can have the material puchase authority ,but not passing authority as that wd b done by
QC lab(usually civil engg.dept. Of JNTU/NIT that issues test report of materials),PMC,& other field level clientside officials...without their knowledge ,amar can't use any material on his own
Amar is the project incharge from contractor (deenalal) right?
(his signature must b forgeried to throw blame as he was dead.this can easily verified by forensic people as apart from signature his finger prints wd b there...thickness,depth &strokes of signature wd also b verified)

As I mentioned earlier,
(1)why the government officials' clearance certificates are not taken into consideration?without which amar can never take up construction activities..on every day...
QC clearance ,PMC clearance ,permissions for construction every day,clearly pin the responsibilities to clientside officials...
So even if they produce evidence that amar had puchased,the profit goes to deenalal but never to amar... he can not construct straight away...

Edited by sreevask - 11 February 2012 at 12:21pm

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Posted: 11 February 2012 at 12:42pm | IP Logged
For example he had procured a bad quality sand(Infact it is done by puchase department of deenalal company),then using that sand, he had to prepare a concrete block in a standard mould using the same proportion of mix (cement,sand,& stone chips) as wd b used in the construction every day ,cure it properly (this entire preparation of test sample is done by QC lab of contractor side) & Amar Vyas then sends it to the govt suggested QC lab(clientside QClab like nit/JNTU) get it certified there & submit the test report to the PMC /government executive engineer & obtain a permission to take up construction using that mix ...
Hence the evidences the press is having is just a purchase order &he cd Hv passed it from his QC lab but that is not the end,he has to get it certified at clientside QC lab & then obtain clearance based on the test reports from clientside engineer...

Infact megha cd get more info from government officials through RTI.. Regarding these daily construction permissions,QC reports ...etc.,

If you remember the promos megha is handing over mohan that important file(that amar was tense with) which was crucial to the case...so lets hope it wd b gr8 use..

Edited by sreevask - 11 February 2012 at 8:59pm

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Posted: 12 February 2012 at 1:30am | IP Logged
@sreevask 

Thanks for these Info. I really didn't know so many things that you have pointed out. But i don't know serial CVs have so much knowledge on these things. Hope they give a logical solution than a filmy one. 

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