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Posted: 22 December 2011 at 8:12pm | IP Logged
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So finally am making this thread after a long long wait Embarrassed ...

As we all decided, We are starting with
Pride and Prejudice by Jane Austen.

We will be discussing it chapter wise...So I will be putting every chapter in the post below for those who don't have the book version with themselves and then we can start discussing and analyzing...our takes.. Just like we did on epis...What say??Big smile

P.S. This thread is open for all the book worms..Wicked or otherwiseBig smile

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Posted: 22 December 2011 at 8:16pm | IP Logged
As decided, we will be starting with Pride and PrejudiceEmbarrassed

Am putting the first chapter here...and the source too, as and when we finish this one I will amend this one for the next oneEmbarrassed

Chapter 1
IT is a truth universally acknowledged, that a single man in possession of a good fortune must be in want of a wife.
However little known the feelings or views of such a man may be on his first entering a neighbourhood, this truth is so well fixed in the minds of the surrounding families, that he is considered as the rightful property of some one or other of their daughters.

''My dear Mr. Bennet,'' said his lady to him one day, ''have you heard that Netherfield Park is let at last?''

Mr. Bennet replied that he had not.

''But it is,'' returned she; ''for Mrs. Long has just been here, and she told me all about it.''

Mr. Bennet made no answer.

''Do not you want to know who has taken it?'' cried his wife impatiently.

''You want to tell me, and I have no objection to hearing it.''

This was invitation enough.

''Why, my dear, you must know, Mrs. Long says that Netherfield is taken by a young man of large fortune from the north of England; that he came down on Monday in a chaise and four to see the place, and was so much delighted with it that he agreed with Mr. Morris immediately; that he is to take possession before Michaelmas, and some of his servants are to be in the house by the end of next week.''

''What is his name?''


''Is he married or single?''

''Oh! single, my dear, to be sure! A single man of large fortune; four or five thousand a year. What a fine thing for our girls!''

''How so? how can it affect them?''

''My dear Mr. Bennet,'' replied his wife, ''how can you be so tiresome! You must know that I am thinking of his marrying one of them.''

''Is that his design in settling here?''

''Design! nonsense, how can you talk so! But it is very likely that he may fall in love with one of them, and therefore you must visit him as soon as he comes.''

''I see no occasion for that. You and the girls may go, or you may send them by themselves, which perhaps will be still better; for, as you are as handsome as any of them, Mr. Bingley might like you the best of the party.''

''My dear, you flatter me. I certainly have had my share of beauty, but I do not pretend to be any thing extraordinary now. When a woman has five grown up daughters, she ought to give over thinking of her own beauty.''

''In such cases, a woman has not often much beauty to think of.''

''But, my dear, you must indeed go and see Mr. Bingley when he comes into the neighbourhood.''

''It is more than I engage for, I assure you.''

''But consider your daughters. Only think what an establishment it would be for one of them. Sir William and Lady Lucas are determined to go, merely on that account, for in general, you know they visit no new comers. Indeed you must go, for it will be impossible for us to visit him, if you do not.''

''You are over-scrupulous, surely. I dare say Mr. Bingley will be very glad to see you; and I will send a few lines by you to assure him of my hearty consent to his marrying which ever he chuses of the girls; though I must throw in a good word for my little Lizzy.''

''I desire you will do no such thing. Lizzy is not a bit better than the others; and I am sure she is not half so handsome as Jane, nor half so good humoured as Lydia. But you are always giving her the preference.''

''They have none of them much to recommend them,'' replied he; ''they are all silly and ignorant like other girls; but Lizzy has something more of quickness than her sisters.''

''Mr. Bennet, how can you abuse your own children in such way? You take delight in vexing me. You have no compassion on my poor nerves.''

''You mistake me, my dear. I have a high respect for your nerves. They are my old friends. I have heard you mention them with consideration these twenty years at least.''

''Ah! you do not know what I suffer.''

''But I hope you will get over it, and live to see many young men of four thousand a year come into the neighbourhood.''

''It will be no use to us if twenty such should come, since you will not visit them.''

''Depend upon it, my dear, that when there are twenty I will visit them all.''

Mr. Bennet was so odd a mixture of quick parts, sarcastic humour, reserve, and caprice, that the experience of three and twenty years had been insufficient to make his wife understand his character. Her mind was less difficult to develope. She was a woman of mean understanding, little information, and uncertain temper. When she was discontented, she fancied herself nervous. The business of her life was to get her daughters married; its solace was visiting and news.


Chapter 2

MR. Bennet was among the earliest of those who waited on Mr. Bingley. He had always intended to visit him, though to the last always assuring his wife that he should not go; and till the evening after the visit was paid, she had no knowledge of it. It was then disclosed in the following manner. Observing his second daughter employed in trimming a hat, he suddenly addressed her with,

''I hope Mr. Bingley will like it, Lizzy.''

''We are not in a way to know what Mr. Bingley likes,'' said her mother resentfully, ''since we are not to visit.''

''But you forget, mama,'' said Elizabeth, ''that we shall meet him at the assemblies, and that Mrs. Long has promised to introduce him.''

''I do not believe Mrs. Long will do any such thing. She has two nieces of her own. She is a selfish, hypocritical woman, and I have no opinion of her.''

''No more have I,'' said Mr. Bennet; ''and I am glad to find that you do not depend on her serving you.''

Mrs. Bennet deigned not to make any reply; but unable to contain herself, began scolding one of her daughters.

''Don't keep coughing so, Kitty, for heaven's sake! Have a little compassion on my nerves. You tear them to pieces.''

''Kitty has no discretion in her coughs,'' said her father; ''she times them ill.''

''I do not cough for my own amusement,'' replied Kitty fretfully.

''When is your next ball to be, Lizzy?''

''To-morrow fortnight.''

''Aye, so it is,'' cried her mother, ''and Mrs. Long does not come back till the day before; so it will be impossible for her to introduce him, for she will not know him herself.''

''Then, my dear, you may have the advantage of your friend, and introduce Mr. Bingley to her.''

''Impossible, Mr. Bennet, impossible, when I am not acquainted with him myself; how can you be so teazing?''

''I honour your circumspection. A fortnight's acquaintance is certainly very little. One cannot know what a man really is by the end of a fortnight. But if we do not venture, somebody else will; and after all, Mrs. Long and her nieces must stand their chance; and therefore, as she will think it an act of kindness, if you decline the office, I will take it on myself.''

The girls stared at their father. Mrs. Bennet said only, ''Nonsense, nonsense!''

''What can be the meaning of that emphatic exclamation?'' cried he. ''Do you consider the forms of introduction, and the stress that is laid on them, as nonsense? I cannot quite agree with you there. What say you, Mary? for you are a young lady of deep reflection I know, and read great books, and make extracts.''

Mary wished to say something very sensible, but knew not how.

''While Mary is adjusting her ideas,'' he continued, ''let us return to Mr. Bingley.''

''I am sick of Mr. Bingley,'' cried his wife.

''I am sorry to hear that; but why did not you tell me so before? If I had known as much this morning, I certainly would not have called on him. It is very unlucky; but as I have actually paid the visit, we cannot escape the acquaintance now.''

The astonishment of the ladies was just what he wished; that of Mrs. Bennet perhaps surpassing the rest; though when the first tumult of joy was over, she began to declare that it was what she had expected all the while.

''How good it was in you, my dear Mr. Bennet! But I knew I should persuade you at last. I was sure you loved our girls too well to neglect such an acquaintance. Well, how pleased I am! and it is such a good joke, too, that you should have gone this morning, and never said a word about it till now.''

''Now, Kitty, you may cough as much as you chuse,'' said Mr. Bennet; and, as he spoke, he left the room, fatigued with the raptures of his wife.

''What an excellent father you have, girls,'' said she, when the door was shut. ''I do not know how you will ever make him amends for his kindness; or me either, for that matter. At our time of life, it is not so pleasant I can tell you, to be making new acquaintance every day; but for your sakes, we would do any thing. Lydia, my love, though you are the youngest, I dare say Mr. Bingley will dance with you at the next ball.''

''Oh!'' said Lydia stoutly, ''I am not afraid; for though I am the youngest, I'm the tallest.''

The rest of the evening was spent in conjecturing how soon he would return Mr. Bennet's visit, and determining when they should ask him to dinner.


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-Srushti- IF-Sizzlerz

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Posted: 22 December 2011 at 8:17pm | IP Logged
So finally editing the reserveLOL

So I will admit that the character of Mrs. Benett added flavour to the story, her imbecile remarks and her husband's constant retorts which obviously went above her head, were unique!

And the way they show the preferences amongst their daughters is unique, too.
Jane was one thing they might agree upon, such was her disposition, beautiful, calm, sweet, to some extent gullible too, and the way she held herself was dignified too...I guess her father could not have had any objection her not being not as intelligent as Lizzy, where as her mother obviously saw her as the ticket to a better life and opener of the gates for good alliances for her other daughters...She was her trump card..

Another thing which we are likely to hear all through the series is 'My poor nerves'...You would sometimes like to bang a pan on her head for her insensitivity and callousness towards her family...and sometimes you wonder if she became this way because of the inability of Mr. Bennett to love her for the vain woman she is...
But ofcourse Mr. Bennett's obvious partiality towards Elizabeth makes us love him...and his mild attempts at bringing humour with his wit ( which he is extremely proud of ) actually make us like him...
His statement that 'When there are 20 of them, I will visit each of them' ...does give an impression of a  bit of careless man ...but you know that he is not dumb when he subtly remarks about Mrs. Benett's nerve...saying that they have been his best friends all these years...

Anways...this is enough of a ramble...Do put in your take on this first intro chappieEmbarrassed

Edited by -Srushti- - 23 December 2011 at 11:18pm

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The moment you turn the page to reach the first chapter, and read the first sentence, the first thought that comes to your mind would be, "WHAT A WAY TO BEGIN!" No wonder that sentence is famous all over the world, and has been twisted and repeated umpteen times by various novelists (not that any of those versions make as huge an impact as Jane Austen did), but it never gets too cliched or boring. That's the magic of Jane Austen. 

The first sentence itself reveals Jane Austen's sense of humour, wit, intelligence to spot something so obvious but not so obvious at the same time, and of course the ocean of never-ending sarcasm directed at the English Society at large, and then you come to the conclusion that she is a gem to be treasured forever. 

Her way of writing is more of "telling" kind rather than the "showing" kind which makes it a bit monotonous for those who do not enjoy fun and humourous writings, but her way of "telling" the story captures your attention from the very beginning. Trust me, it's her wit. 

Language. Do I really need to say? It's impeccable, and also you get a glance at the English Society back in 1800s, which was so "refined", "proper", and "everything good".

I like Mr and Mrs Bennet's conversation for two very important reasons:

1. Their conversation shows what kind of personalities they have, with Mr Bennet "having to dumb himself down" and still not being able to match with Mrs Bennet's brain frequency, is just hilarious!

2. Jane Austen introduces almost every major character in the book in the cleverest manner possible, A CONVERSATION! This wasn't even obvious to you guys, was it? I mean you just overlooked it, right? I did too, and I did not capture this detail until this time when I actually sat down to review it. Of course she did not introduce the ever so hot and dashing Mr Darcy, but he did need an introduction that deserved fireworks, didn't he? After all he's our MAJOR character. And also you can sense how Jane Austen clearly refers to Lizzy as her major character since the conversation showed at least 2 sentences dedicated to Lizzy, while the others were granted barely a proper phrase.

All in all, it was quite neat the way she introduced all the characters that were required for a "roll call" at the beginning of the novel, and then dedicated the last paragraph to introduce the Bennet heads of the family. 

Edited by sharneil92 - 25 December 2011 at 1:10am

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Posted: 23 December 2011 at 5:34am | IP Logged chandu..Hug
Beautiful.. thread re..
N I am reading a book..after 1 year...
Loved  d concept of d novel..EmbarrassedEmbarrassedas it was about..5 different marriages...Tongue
Loved Mr.Ben net's counters to his wife y dearest..LOLBig smile
N Mrs.Bennett is right on her thinking about her daughters getting married but.Embarrassed..the way she is after d Richie rich neighbor is just disgusting..
As I don't know...h d story is shaped after wards...Embarrassedme waiting for d rest of d characters to be introduced..Big smile
N really wanna know..who is Lizzy..n Lydia..n Jane..Embarrassed
Loved d writing style of d Author...ClapClap
Thanks for d awesome thread...Tongue


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Posted: 23 December 2011 at 6:13am | IP Logged

** Edited

The first sentence is an absolute classic. I cannot think of anyone who has started a book better.

The introduction of the Bennets, Mrs n Mr., the stark contrast in their  personalities, the divide in their wits et al is so beautifully captured that one almost begins to believe that they are part of the set up. "Nerves !!" she said.. blah blah he heard and ignore he did!!

Mr.Bennets wit, sarcasm, his sharp sense of repartee and the fact that he considers his wife vain and has given up on her comes out so effortlessly. He considers her a lesser mortal and himself a man of the books and higher being. He also acknowledges the fact that Elizabeth is favored child because of the "quickness of her mind", and openly labels the other girls silly, in a way acknowledging the fact that they(Mrs. n Mr. B) may have failed them in their duties and didn't mind continuing to do so. 

Mrs. Bennets is typical mother, whose aim in life is to see her children happily situated. She is a woman who makes her intentions very clear and doesn't guise it. She is stupid and doesn't realize when her husband is mocking her.She is gullible and puts no thought in her words or actions. Mrs. Bennet seems like what one is called a gold digger or materialistic yet is essentially very motherly.

The Bennets seem to be resigned to their fate, on the sorry state of their marriage, or atleast Mr.Bennet did !! 

Final Comments - All in all, couldn't ask for better introduction to the Bennets. Jane Austen's unique style captures the essence of the society - its norms and conformity, mid level household in that era - the aim of women to land a husband of means by all means possible including plotting and scheming families, mothers helping them and leaving no stone unturned et al. It also, sadly, depicts the sorry state of many marriages which prevailed during those times. 

Edited by angelirebelli - 25 December 2011 at 9:38am

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Hey SrushyHug...this is awesome post n kudos to the idea as we can meet here as well...
To be frank I dont like reading novelsErmm...or it would be good if I say I read 2-3 novels in my life that I had to do due to some mojris n tamaatars for this confessionConfused

So..dont expect me to write my essays here on the analysis of the chapters...I will be mostly reading the awesome analysis you all will do on the chapters...

Coming to my take on the first chapter...
Loved the way the wirter gave the intro to the basic plot of the novel n I really liked the way Jane Austen wrote thisClap

Mrs. Bennet was a bit loud n annoying to me...a mother who wants her daughters to marry a rich man n make a way for their family to lead a better life...
Mr. Bennet...I really liked him...his wit n sarcasm is best...n pity that he had to lead a life with a woman like his wife...
The convo between them gave an intro to the basic characters n also take of the parents on their daughters n also the reasons why they choose those daughters as better than each other...

I dont know what I have writtenOuch...So bare with me...I really enjoyed reading this n looking forward for the next chapter...

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-Srushti- IF-Sizzlerz

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Posted: 23 December 2011 at 11:36pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by chweetu chandu..HugMeri TeachuHug
Beautiful.. thread re..not more beatiful than you
N I am reading a book..after 1 year...
Loved  d concept of d novel..EmbarrassedEmbarrassedas it was about..5 different marriages...Tongueyup five different marriages!!! the best of them being Mr. and Mr. Bennett'sLOL
Loved Mr.Ben net's counters to his wife y dearest..LOLBig smile
N Mrs.Bennett is right on her thinking about her daughters getting married but.Embarrassed..the way she is after d Richie rich neighbor is just disgusting..She is of the typical mindset of the women of that era...and to be frank..her husband did nothing...he fed on the estate and that will be willed away by the male she is going to be resourceless in her after age...I think that has affected her even otherwise demented mindsetLOL
As I don't know...h d story is shaped after wards...Embarrassedme waiting for d rest of d characters to be introduced..Big smile Ya...I think you will enjoy Lydia mreWink
N really wanna know..who is Lizzy..n Lydia..n Jane..Embarrassed
Loved d writing style of d Author...ClapClap
Thanks for d awesome thread...TongueMujhe thank you kaha sunai deta haiEmbarrassed


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