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Posted: 27 December 2011 at 10:38pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by .Vrish.


Didn't Treta Yuga start after the death of Hiranyakashipu?  I thought that Hiranyaksha/Hiranyakashipu were in Satya Yuga, Ravana/Kumbhakarna in Treta Yuga & Sishupala/Dantavatra in the Dwapar Yuga


Sagar manthan, as mentioned in Bhagavatam, happened when Bali was the king of Asuras. Bali came after Hiranyakashipu. Hiranyakashipu's son was Prahlad. Prahlad's son was Virochan and Virochan's son was Bali.

Originally posted by .Vrish.

Was Ajit == Kurma in that case?

No. Rather Ajit was the one whom gods approached to protect them from demons and who advised for Sagar manthan. I mean Ajit was the one who is shown as Lord Vishnu during Sagar manthan. He appeared during sixth Manu. He created another Vaikuntha planet and lived there.

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Posted: 27 December 2011 at 10:41pm | IP Logged
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What is this stoy of Laksmi being the daughter of Bhrigu ? Wasn't it Bhrigu who kicked Vishnu in the chest therby angering Lakshmi who left Vaikunth and incarnated on earth as Padmavati- consort of Venkateshwara?

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Posted: 27 December 2011 at 10:47pm | IP Logged
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What is this stoy of Laksmi being the daughter of Bhrigu ? Wasn't it Bhrigu who kicked Vishnu in the chest therby angering Lakshmi who left Vaikunth and incarnated on earth as Padmavati- consort of Venkateshwara?


Laxmi, the daughter of Bhrigu, was an incarnation of the original Laxmi.

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Posted: 27 December 2011 at 10:57pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by akhl

Originally posted by .Vrish.


Didn't Treta Yuga start after the death of Hiranyakashipu?  I thought that Hiranyaksha/Hiranyakashipu were in Satya Yuga, Ravana/Kumbhakarna in Treta Yuga & Sishupala/Dantavatra in the Dwapar Yuga


Sagar manthan, as mentioned in Bhagavatam, happened when Bali was the king of Asuras. Bali came after Hiranyakashipu. Hiranyakashipu's son was Prahlad. Prahlad's son was Virochan and Virochan's son was Bali.

Now I'm confused.  Samudra manthan happened during Kurma avatar, which preceded Varaha & Narasimha avatars.  (Which Bhagvatam are you referring to - Devi Bhagvatam or Shrimad Bhagvatam?)  Hiranyaksha was killed by Varaha, and Hiranyakashipu was slain by Narasimha.  So if that's the case, and Kurma was the turtle who supported the mountain used to churn the ocean, how does Samudra manthan happen during the reign of Bali?

Originally posted by .Vrish.

Was Ajit == Kurma in that case?

No. Rather Ajit was the one whom gods approached to protect them from demons and who advised for Sagar manthan. I mean Ajit was the one who is shown as Lord Vishnu during Sagar manthan. He appeared during sixth Manu. He created another Vaikuntha planet and lived there.

In Matsya avatar, wasn't Vishnu still unmarried?  I thought that he got married during the Kurma avatar.

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Posted: 27 December 2011 at 11:09pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by .Vrish.

In Matsya avatar, wasn't Vishnu still unmarried?  I thought that he got married during the Kurma avatar.


We need to differentiate between Vishnu and his incarnations. Scriptures mention the word Vishnu but most of places they are talking about some incarnation of the original Vishnu. So, it is quite possible for the original Vishnu to be already married and an incarnation to get married later.

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Posted: 27 December 2011 at 11:17pm | IP Logged
Understood, but what I thought was that the original Vishnu was there supervising the Samudra Manthan, while his avatar - Kurma - was the one supporting the mountain.  Some scriptures count Mohini as the other avatar, which I understand, but the Vishnu himself who was supervising the project was original, and not someone like say, Rama or Krishna, who had taken another birth or form completely to do the project.

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Posted: 27 December 2011 at 11:24pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by .Vrish.

Understood, but what I thought was that the original Vishnu was there supervising the Samudra Manthan, while his avatar - Kurma - was the one supporting the mountain.  Some scriptures count Mohini as the other avatar, which I understand, but the Vishnu himself who was supervising the project was original, and not someone like say, Rama or Krishna, who had taken another birth or form completely to do the project.


No, even he was not the really original Vishnu. He incarnated as Ajit during the reign of the sixth Manu. He was the one supervising the Sagar manthan. Often he is thought of as original Vishnu because he also lived in Vaikunth, flew on Garuda and had sudarhan chakra.

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Posted: 27 December 2011 at 11:34pm | IP Logged
Originally posted by ...PARiNA...

There was a deleted scene in the show where into og Vishnuji, Brahma ji n Lakshmi was shown (if any one noticed that i hd posted the link)
Through their convo. They said Brahmaji hd 5 heads! N one was cut by Shiva !!!
Doesnt any1 knows about the story , y Shiva did it???

http://www.hindupedia.com/en/Kala_Bhairava_Ashtakam

Kalabhairava, the fearsome aspect of Lord Shiva, is the God who is the protector of Benares. Once Brahma insulted Lord Shiva and his fifth head teasingly laughed at Lord Shiva. From Lord Shiva came out the Kalabhairava (Black Bhairava) who tore off the fifth head of Lord Brahma. On the entreaties of Lord Vishnu, Shiva pardoned Lord Brahma. But the sin of beheading Lord Brahma followed Kalabhairava everywhere. Also the head of Brahma stuck to him. To keep away the sin and punishment which were chasing him, Kalabhairava entered the city of Benares. The sin could not enter the city. Kalabhairava was made as the Kotwal of Benares. Kalabhairava rides on a dog. A pilgrimage to Kasi is not supposed to be complete without visiting the temple of Kalabhairava.

Another story identifies Kalabhairava with Veerabhadra who cut off the head of Daksha the father of Sathi Devi, when he insulted Lord Shiva. Sathi's body was cut into pieces and strewn all over India giving rise to Shakthi Peetas. Outside every Shakthi Peeta is the temple for Bhairava.

In another story, Kalabhairava is the form of Shiva who controls the growth and management of time. Whoever wants to spend, manage or ration their time in a proper manner should pray him.

He is also considered as the guardian of temples of Lord Shiva. After locking the doors of the temple of Lord Shiva, the keys are ceremonially offered to Bhairava.

This ashtakam is recited by the priests of the temple of Kalabhairava in Benares before blessing the devotee with a tap by the cane of Lord Kalabhairava.



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